Re: [NTG-context] Problems with left and right
Matt Gushee wrote:
Hello--
I have noticed a couple of cases where ConTeXt macros seem to have
confused left and right sides:
1) I want to format some text in two columns, where the left column
is right-aligned and the right column is left-aligned. I found I
had to do this:
\defineparagraphs
[ingredient]
[n=2, before={\blank[small]},after={\blank[small]}]
\setupparagraphs
[ingredient] [1]
[width=.16\textwidth,align=left,style=bold]
nowadays, using \starttabulate[|pl|pr|] is the prefered way
forthermore, think of right as raggedright
2) In order to format format headers for a book so that the book title
appears on the left-hand page and the section title on the right, I
had to do this:
\setupheadertexts [] [section] [title] []
... which, as I read the documentation, is in the opposite order to
what it should be.
Is this a bug in ConTeXt, or have I misconfigured something?
no, think of spreads
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Problems with left and right
On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 11:26:45PM -0700, Hans Hagen Outside wrote: I have noticed a couple of cases where ConTeXt macros seem to have confused left and right sides: First of all, thanks for your quick reply! forthermore, think of right as raggedright And left as ... raggedleft? Anyway, I gather you're saying that the behavior I've observed is correct. E.g.: [align=left] [align=right] abc foo, bar, baz de dum-da-dum-da-dum fghijkl tweedledee With all due respect, I don't see how that makes any sense. In common English usage, left-aligned means the text is set against the left edge, and right-aligned means the text is set against the right edge. I can't imagine Dutch or other European languages are very different in that respect (though I've been known to guess wrong about languages). Furthermore, this usage of 'align=side' is inconsistent with some other things in ConTeXt, such as \rightaligned, which behaves as I would expect it to. 2) In order to format format headers for a book so that the book title appears on the left-hand page and the section title on the right, I had to do this: \setupheadertexts [] [section] [title] [] ... which, as I read the documentation, is in the opposite order to what it should be. Is this a bug in ConTeXt, or have I misconfigured something? no, think of spreads You mean page spreads? Like this? +++ ||| | even-| odd- | | numbered | numbered | | page | page | ||| +++ That's exactly what I was already thinking of, and it doesn't make sense: COMMAND:\setupheadertexts [] [section] [title] [] RESULT: +++ | title| section | ||| ||| ||| ||| +++ If you say there's a logical explanation for this, then I believe you. I still maintain it's really counterintuitive and likely to cause confusion. And if so, aren't you making extra work for yourself (because you have to explain it)? Or is it just me? -- Matt Gushee When a nation follows the Way, Englewood, Colorado, USAHorses bear manure through [EMAIL PROTECTED] its fields; http://www.havenrock.com/ When a nation ignores the Way, Horses bear soldiers through its streets. --Lao Tzu (Peter Merel, trans.) ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Problems with left and right
On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Matt Gushee wrote: COMMAND:\setupheadertexts [] [section] [title] [] RESULT: +++ | title| section | ||| ||| ||| ||| +++ If you say there's a logical explanation for this, then I believe you. Hello Matt, isn't it logical, if you consider \setupheadertexts [odd-left] [odd-right] [even-left] [even-right] ? Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ _ FilmSearch engine: http://f-s.sf.net/ ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Problems with left and right
On Sat, Jul 24, 2004 at 10:39:52AM +0200, Peter Münster wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Matt Gushee wrote: COMMAND:\setupheadertexts [] [section] [title] [] RESULT: +++ | title| section | ||| If you say there's a logical explanation for this, then I believe you. Hello Matt, isn't it logical, if you consider \setupheadertexts [odd-left] [odd-right] [even-left] [even-right] ? Please explain why I should consider it that way. Most books in every language I know of[*] are laid out with the even page on the left and the odd page on the right. Furthermore, the ConTeXt manual says: Those who want more variations in headers and footers can use four instead of two arguments \setupfootertexts [even left] [even right] [odd left] [odd right] So the order of arguments contradicts both the documentation and what I think of as common sense. NOTES: * There are exceptions, of course. Other than English, languages I am familiar with are mainly Chinese and Japanese. Traditional books in those languages are laid out in the opposite direction to European books, but almost all contemporary books in China, and I think most in Japan, follow the Western practice. Besides, we're all gwailos here, aren't we? -- Matt Gushee When a nation follows the Way, Englewood, Colorado, USAHorses bear manure through [EMAIL PROTECTED] its fields; http://www.havenrock.com/ When a nation ignores the Way, Horses bear soldiers through its streets. --Lao Tzu (Peter Merel, trans.) ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Problems with left and right, Part II
On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 01:19:57PM -0600, Matt Gushee wrote: I have noticed a couple of cases where ConTeXt macros seem to have confused left and right sides: Just found another: \setuphead [title] [align=right] places the title on the left side, and vice versa. I have also confirmed that this takes place on both machines where I have ConTeXt installed, so it's unlikely to be caused by anything I did. -- Matt Gushee When a nation follows the Way, Englewood, Colorado, USAHorses bear manure through [EMAIL PROTECTED] its fields; http://www.havenrock.com/ When a nation ignores the Way, Horses bear soldiers through its streets. --Lao Tzu (Peter Merel, trans.) ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
