Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-12-01 Thread Lars Huttar
On 11/27/2008 3:57 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Lars Huttar wrote: something like this: switch to a serif style (if that's what \rm means in ConTeXt -- I still don't know for sure). \rm in ConTeXT means: switch to the internal style group named rm (and likewise for \ss - ss etc.)

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-27 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Lars Huttar wrote: something like this: switch to a serif style (if that's what \rm means in ConTeXt -- I still don't know for sure). \rm in ConTeXT means: switch to the internal style group named rm (and likewise for \ss - ss etc.) Whether rm points to a group of fonts that

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-26 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:30:51PM -0600, Lars Huttar napisa#322;(a): It makes sense for italicness and serifity to be independently changeable. What's discouraging to me as a entrant to the whole TeX world (but an experienced programmer) is the (apparently undocumented) redefinition of a

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-26 Thread Peter Münster
On Tue, Nov 25 2008, Lars Huttar wrote: If it's designed not to do that in ConTeXt -- i.e. the ConTeXt designers decided to change the semantics of one of the basic control sequences in TeX, rather than merely providing a different one with new semantics -- you would think one would want that

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-26 Thread Lars Huttar
On 11/26/2008 2:41 AM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Dnia Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:30:51PM -0600, Lars Huttar napisa#322;(a): It makes sense for italicness and serifity to be independently changeable. What's discouraging to me as a entrant to the whole TeX world (but an experienced programmer) is

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-26 Thread Lars Huttar
On 11/26/2008 7:43 AM, Lars Huttar wrote: ... and the word regular in typography usually (as far as I can tell... please enlighten) means upright in contrast to italic. I now see that regular (apparently less often) can refer to weight: not bold or light. Still, the point remains. Lars

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-26 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Lars Huttar wrote: Except perhaps the documentation. I have yet to find a reference that clearly describes what \rm is to do in ConTeXt. One responder pointed to http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-eni.pdf. The closest thing to a definition of \rm there that I could find is on

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-26 Thread Hans Hagen
Marcin Borkowski wrote: Me not being an experienced programmer, but (some kind) of more or less experienced TeX user, I'd add the following. ... makes a nice 'about tex systems' page for the wiki -

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-26 Thread Hans Hagen
Lars Huttar wrote: Interesting. As a newbie to typesetting, reading the TeXbook, I certainly wondered which axes Knuth meant 'roman' to refer to... he simply describes it as 'normal roman' and gives a visual example. So far, all I'd gathered was that it meant not italic. you should keep in

[NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-25 Thread Lars Huttar
Hello, I've been reading through the TeXbook to solidify the foundations for TeX programming. In an exercise on roman and italic text, ConTeXt seems to behave differently from what the book specifies (Plain TEX) at a fairly fundamental level. Exercise 4.1 says, Explain how to typeset a roman

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-25 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Lars Huttar wrote: Hello, I've been reading through the TeXbook to solidify the foundations for TeX programming. In an exercise on roman and italic text, ConTeXt seems to behave differently from what the book specifies (Plain TEX) at a fairly fundamental level. I

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-25 Thread Lars Huttar
On 11/25/2008 3:21 PM, Lars Huttar wrote: When I put \show\rm in the .tex file to display the definition of the \rm macro, and run texexec, I get: \rm=\protected macro: -\setcurrentfontstyle {rm}. l.7 \show\rm By contrast, according to

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-25 Thread Rory Molinari
Lars Huttar wrote: Thanks for the explanation. I hope that when the manual is finished it will make this clearer. Currently, the draft chapter says As will be explained later, the command \rm is used to switch to a roman/serif/regular style which does not seem to be happening. I think it

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-25 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي ح امد
Hi, On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:29:09 -0700, Lars Huttar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. The same TeX reference reports, Be careful, PlainTeX is a macropaackage, just as ConTeXt is. One must distinguish PlainTeX commands from the TeX (and pdftex/luaTeX) primitives. Although some PlainTeX

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-25 Thread Lars Huttar
On 11/25/2008 5:37 PM, Rory Molinari wrote: Lars Huttar wrote: Thanks for the explanation. I hope that when the manual is finished it will make this clearer. Currently, the draft chapter says As will be explained later, the command \rm is used to switch to a roman/serif/regular style

Re: [NTG-context] difference between TeX behavior and ConTeXt

2008-11-25 Thread Lars Huttar
On 11/25/2008 10:15 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Hi, On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:29:09 -0700, Lars Huttar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. The same TeX reference reports, Be careful, PlainTeX is a macropaackage, just as ConTeXt is. One must distinguish PlainTeX commands