Re: [NTG-context] font problems again
Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi Hans, (I am not really going to answer you, sorry). I usually ignore those cannot find encoding-urw-family.map messages (yes, I get them as well). The needed font mapping lines for the 'base' postscript fonts are also in encoding-base.map, and that file usually is found. The message is often just paranoia from context. indeed, the reason being that there is no way to determine if such a file exists or not) Another question from me: wasn't there a \boldmath in one of the third party math modules? And if yes, is it possible that that be added to the core in some way / some day? bold math is also supported in typescripts, but depends (or course) on the pressence of fonts (i forgot who made the definitions -) Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] font problems again
Hans van der Meer wrote:
Do I now understand correctly that I MUST use texfont first in order
to work with fonts in ConTeXt? I did not realize that when going over
to the new tetex setup. I guess the typescripts for the lm/cmr fonts
are ready-made in the context distribution?
not for lm and cm, just if you want to use the other free fonts in
whatever encoding
Is there somewhere a script to do this (somewhat painless) for the
regular fonts in the teTeX distribution or should I generate just
by hand for whatever font I need?
(2) about math typesetting
Although computer modern (lm fonts) now appear in text, there is
something strange with math. Running the next example coming from the
ConTeXt manual (page 103):
\starttext
{$\sqrt{a^2 + b^2} = c\ \hbox{whatever} + \sin(2x)$} math\crlf
{$\bf \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} = c\ \hbox{whatever} + \sin(2x)$} boldmath BUT
`sin' ISN'T, sqrt NEVER IS \crlf
{$\bf\mf \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} = c\ \hbox{whatever} + \sin(2x)$} boldmath
NOW `sin' IS, sqrt NEVER IS \crlf
\stoptext
The second line doesn't show the sin in bold as contrasted with the
special remark in the manual. I does show in bold with \mf however.
Has the math behaviour changed meanwhile? Or does it point to still
another flaw in my setup?
The following fonts appear in the pdf (as seen in Adobe Reader):
CMMI12, CMSY10, LMRoman12-Bold (and 9), LMRoman12-Regular (and 9).
this behaviour is ok; \bf switches the text font (using families) and
that's just of of the 16 possible math fonts then; the problem with math
and fonts is that (1) we don't have enough families and (2) using tricks
to bypass that do not help because math fonts come into play at the
second parsing of the math list, when tex knows what it's dealing with;
by then only fam numbers are uses intermediate changing of font
assignments to them has been lost (the last family assignment counts)
in comparison, the following LaTeX example has the right behaviour:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
{$\sqrt{a^2 + b^2} = c$} math\hfill\break
{\boldmath$\sqrt{a^2 + b^2} = c + \sin{}x$} boldmath\par
\end{document}
btw, you can use:
$\bfmath \sqrt{a2 + b2} = c\ \hbox{whatever} + \sin(2x)$
a more massive change is:
%D \usetypescript [lucida] [texnansi]
%D
%D \definetypeface [boldmath] [rm] [serif]
%D [lucida] [default] [encoding=texnansi]
%D \definetypeface [boldmath] [tt] [mono]
%D [lucida] [default] [encoding=texnansi]
%D \definetypeface [boldmath] [ss] [sans]
%D [lucida] [default] [encoding=texnansi]
%D \definetypeface [boldmath] [mm] [boldmath]
%D [lucida] [default] [encoding=texnansi]
%D
%D \switchtobodyfont[lucida,10pt]
%D
%D \showmathtoken{Gamma} $\Gamma \Delta \alpha \delta \zeta$
%D
%D \switchtobodyfont[boldmath,10pt]
%D
%D \showmathtoken{Gamma} $\Gamma \Delta \alpha \delta \zeta$
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] font problems again
Two more questions:
(1) On Nov 14, 2005, at 0:07, Hans Hagen wrote:
Hans van der Meer wrote:
No help from enabling in cont-sys.tex of:
\usetypescript[adobekb] [\defaultencoding]
(updmap.cfg contains URWkb for the LW35 fonts)
then it starts asking for (non-existing) maps like:
Warning: pdfetex (file ec-urw-helvetica.map): cannot open font map
file
that is when you use texfont generated metrics
texfont --encoding=ec --batch type-tfm.dat
will generate those metrics (which are the ones i use)
Do I now understand correctly that I MUST use texfont first in order
to work with fonts in ConTeXt? I did not realize that when going over
to the new tetex setup. I guess the typescripts for the lm/cmr fonts
are ready-made in the context distribution?
Is there somewhere a script to do this (somewhat painless) for the
regular fonts in the teTeX distribution or should I generate just
by hand for whatever font I need?
(2) about math typesetting
Although computer modern (lm fonts) now appear in text, there is
something strange with math. Running the next example coming from the
ConTeXt manual (page 103):
\starttext
{$\sqrt{a^2 + b^2} = c\ \hbox{whatever} + \sin(2x)$} math\crlf
{$\bf \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} = c\ \hbox{whatever} + \sin(2x)$} boldmath BUT
`sin' ISN'T, sqrt NEVER IS \crlf
{$\bf\mf \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} = c\ \hbox{whatever} + \sin(2x)$} boldmath
NOW `sin' IS, sqrt NEVER IS \crlf
\stoptext
The second line doesn't show the sin in bold as contrasted with the
special remark in the manual. I does show in bold with \mf however.
Has the math behaviour changed meanwhile? Or does it point to still
another flaw in my setup?
The following fonts appear in the pdf (as seen in Adobe Reader):
CMMI12, CMSY10, LMRoman12-Bold (and 9), LMRoman12-Regular (and 9).
in comparison, the following LaTeX example has the right behaviour:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
{$\sqrt{a^2 + b^2} = c$} math\hfill\break
{\boldmath$\sqrt{a^2 + b^2} = c + \sin{}x$} boldmath\par
\end{document}
Hans van der Meer
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Re: [NTG-context] font problems again
Hi Hans, (I am not really going to answer you, sorry). I usually ignore those cannot find encoding-urw-family.map messages (yes, I get them as well). The needed font mapping lines for the 'base' postscript fonts are also in encoding-base.map, and that file usually is found. The message is often just paranoia from context. Hi other Hans, Another question from me: wasn't there a \boldmath in one of the third party math modules? And if yes, is it possible that that be added to the core in some way / some day? Cheers, Taco Hans van der Meer wrote: Two more questions: (1) On Nov 14, 2005, at 0:07, Hans Hagen wrote: Do I now understand correctly that I MUST use texfont first in order to work with fonts in ConTeXt? ? (2) about math typesetting Or does it point to still another flaw in my setup? ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] font problems again
I used to work with the TeX i-Package install. But every once in a while tex has to be updated. Then I was confronted with fairly hefty downloads for my humble isdn-telephone connection (not everyone has adsl). That's the reason I switched over to installing teTeX and ConTeXy directly. Not much of a pain with an installer shell script and a fast machine. But thanks for your interest anyway. On Nov 14, 2005, at 8:51, Gerben Wierda wrote: With the last release of context the problem of not getting cm fonts is over. These are now found. However, other font selections bring new difficulties. I tried various combinations but did not succeed. The simple program (using TeXShop): Since you are using Mac OS X, if you install the TeX i-Package, you get the texmf tree of teTeX 3.0 as well, but with a replacement of old Latin Modern with new. A newer ConTeXt assumes the newer Latin Modern afaik. The ConTeXt updater i-Package will get you the latest ConTeXt in texmf.local. If such an install still does not get you a working ConTeXt, I'd be interested to find out why (and we can help each other) because it is my goal that you have a working ConTeXt after such an install). G ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context met vriendelijke groet, Hans van der Meer ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] font problems again
Hans van der Meer wrote: No help from enabling in cont-sys.tex of: \usetypescript[adobekb] [\defaultencoding] (updmap.cfg contains URWkb for the LW35 fonts) then it starts asking for (non-existing) maps like: Warning: pdfetex (file ec-urw-helvetica.map): cannot open font map file that is when you use texfont generated metrics texfont --encoding=ec --batch type-tfm.dat will generate those metrics (which are the ones i use) If I use \setupbodyfont[lbr,12pt] then I get just lm-roman, although I have the YandY lucida fonts installed with their original YandY names (lb--.pfb) Here no help from changing between texnansi and ec default encoding. lucida is a special case -) because i used lucida a lot, those definitions ended up in the core, but when i bought more and more fonts, i finally decided to move the lucida defs to the type-buy.tex typescript because that;s where they belong you can add the line: \usetypescriptfile[type-buy] to the cont-sys.tex file, but best is (because it's a document property) to say in you document (or style): \usetypescriptfile[type-buy] % loads commercial font definitions \usetypescript[lucida][texnansi] % defines a lucida typeface \setupbodyfont[lucida,12pt] % enables the typeface defined as 'lucida' (see type-buy.tex) so, basically, the 'lbr' choice is gone the same is true for 'pos'; which originally was meant for the fonts that adobe shipped (but no longer does); over time it became for instance \usetypescript[postscript][ec] % times, helvetica, courier, tx math; properly r-scaled or in components \usetypescript[times][ec] \setupbodyfont[times,12pt] in principle the \usetypescript [adobekb] [ec] % depending on what is in use, if in doubt use [all] should work; (keep in mind that in spite of all kind of references in tex environments to encodings, often only ec is shipped) Any idea whats amiss? I ran this on a teTeX3 install with the context files unzipped into texmf-local. (I must confess I am tempted to give up on ConTeXt altogether, because of these many font troubles.) well, latin modern is kind of special for a while (because it involves some major changes in distributions as well) but that will stabelize (only new fonts will be added to the latin modern family; context for instance does support teh condensed monospaced already) concerning distributions: because of changes in map, enc, whatever, i don't use updmap (i have way more fonts on my machine than present in distributed map files) how old is your cont-sys.tex? take a look at cont-sys.rme and see what has changed (keep in mind that pdftex occasionally changes and we need to keep up with that as well) [once a generic map file model is in place - which is on the agenda for pdftex cum suis] live may become more easy Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
