Re: [NTG-context] framed texts for boxing stuff
On Jan 9, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
hm, i prefer to start from user demands and personal needs; we used
latex for a very short time and i don't remember mini pages -)
a minipage is a box, but i think it's in paragraph mode.
\begin{minipage}[position]{width}
text
\end{minipage}
Put two together
\begin{minipage}[t]{.30\linewidth}
text and images
\end{minipage}\hfill
%
\begin{minipage}[t]{.60\linewidth}
text and images
\end{minipage}
and you get two boxes horizontally across the page with the hfill
space between them
Put three together:
\begin{minipage}[t]{.30\linewidth}
text and images
\end{minipage}\hfill
%
\begin{minipage}[t]{.30\linewidth}
text and images
\end{minipage}\hfill
%
\begin{minipage}[t]{.30\linewidth}
text and images
\end{minipage}
and you get three boxes horizontally across the page with the hfill
space between them
Their vertical dimensions depend on the amount of content. They don't
cross page breaks.
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Re: [NTG-context] framed texts for boxing stuff
Le 10 janv. 06 à 00:01, Hans Hagen a écrit :
Maurice Diamantini (dom) wrote:
As the LaTeX++ concurrent package designer, you should read
some page of the
LaTeX reference documentation A document Preparation System
It is little book (272 pages with the index !) and cover the core
of the
package.
Page 103 to 110 are related to boxes, and is what is missing in
context.
hm, i prefer to start from user demands and personal needs; we used
latex for
a very short time and i don't remember mini pages -)
Ok, but what I mean is the need of such a documentation on the
ConTeXt core, not
reimplementing LaTeX in ConTeXt !
I'm not sure that ConTeXt \framed command is able to reproduce
the parbox behavior (position a framed box relatively to its
internal top
or bottom line and the outside baseline)
i think we can safely assume that all these things are available
somehow
(supp-box.tex implements a lot of box types)
I saw this source file thanks to the following URL:
http://source.contextgarden.net/supp-box.tex
There is very much interesting macro, but I see some
%D \macros
%D {strutdp,strutht,strutwd}
%D ...
Does it mean that an automatic generated documentation is available
somewhere
on the web?
Or is it mondatoryto browse the source for using these command.
normally \framed can do what's needed, so in your case, if you can
make
clear what you want to achieve i'm sure that someone on this list can
provide the answer
... So what is the current reference documentation about framed
- Context the manual (page 206) ?
- ConTeXt an excursion (page 45) ?
the manual as well as examples inside the core-ful.tex file
I havent been able to find this file!
core-fil.tex exists but doesn't seem to be about using boxes!
the most important properties of framed are
- offset (none,overlay, dimension)
- align (all kind of combinations)
- width/height (dimension or keyword)
- strut (yes|no)
just play a bit with it and you'll see the picture
Thank you for these informations, I reread the (box related) reference
manual, and better understand the thing!
...
I think there has to be two pairs of informations to position a
box (i.e. a cell text):
- how is the box is positioned relatively to its environment (the
location=
keyword I think),
no, location is limited to a few options; you can use macros
like \offset[...]{} or other box positioning macros; layers
are also an option
Although I guess what it mean, I didn't found the \offset command
doc neither. I suppose it has numerous
interesting options (on http://texshow.contextgarden.net/)?
- inside the box : everywhere. that implies two reals numbers
between 0.0 and 1.0 (perhaps wider?)
what are those numbers representing?
It could just be a way to specify arbitrary position between
left (0.0) and right (1.0) or between bottom (0.0) ant top (1.0)
But the more important whould be a (uptodate) reference documentation
about
the already existing commands.
(but the TeX command \raise0.5ex could do that)
indeed, \raise and \lower and cousins can come in handy
Yes, I always forget TeX command! thank you very much !
(what do you use those minipages for?)
These are just (v?)boxes which can contain several paragraphs
and theyre own footnotes. Some options can be use to position
theyre internal (top or bottom) line relatively to the external
base line.
No need for now, I only used them in LaTeX for building some boxing
construction. But in context I used vboxex into hboxes (because I
didn't kwox enough about standard \framed command)
In fact, ConTeXt already contains all the needed stuffs, and only
some centralised documentation for using them is missing!
I'm waiting for the future ConTeXt book ;-)
-- Maurice
PS.
Also the ConTeXt wiki becomme more and more rich in information!
Thank you very much for all that
!
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Re: [NTG-context] framed texts for boxing stuff
Maurice Diamantini (dom) wrote: Although I guess what it mean, I didn't found the \offset command doc neither. I suppose it has numerous interesting options (on http://texshow.contextgarden.net/)? that;s a new one indeed (that is, old but not yet documented which makes it new -) It could just be a way to specify arbitrary position between left (0.0) and right (1.0) or between bottom (0.0) ant top (1.0) But the more important whould be a (uptodate) reference documentation about the already existing commands. hm, such things are always 'relative' because optimal heights and depth of lines are involved: i will think about it These are just (v?)boxes which can contain several paragraphs and theyre own footnotes. Some options can be use to position theyre internal (top or bottom) line relatively to the external base line. ok, so inmost cases framed with frame=off will do; local footnotes can be provides with the appropriate commands I'm waiting for the future ConTeXt book ;-) press Steve and Adam and hope for many cold and dark nights Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] framed texts for boxing stuff
Maurice Diamantini (dom) wrote: the manual as well as examples inside the core-ful.tex file I havent been able to find this file! core-fil.tex exists but doesn't seem to be about using boxes! core-rul.tex Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] framed texts for boxing stuff
On 1/10/06, Maurice Diamantini (dom) wrote:
Ok, but what I mean is the need of such a documentation on the
ConTeXt core, not
reimplementing LaTeX in ConTeXt !
Add to the wiki what you've learned! Hans codes much faster than he
manages to document things, so it's up to the community to keep the
documentation up-to-date ;)
I saw this source file thanks to the following URL:
http://source.contextgarden.net/supp-box.tex
There is very much interesting macro, but I see some
%D \macros
%D {strutdp,strutht,strutwd}
%D ...
Does it mean that an automatic generated documentation is available
somewhere
on the web?
Or is it mondatoryto browse the source for using these command.
See
http://www.logosrl.it/context/modules/
that Luigi kept preparing last summer (perhaps gave up afterwards?)
But it's HGE (I would guess that reading the source is faster even
if you see no picture).
I'm waiting for the future ConTeXt book ;-)
:)
PS.
Also the ConTeXt wiki becomme more and more rich in information!
Thank you very much for all that
Feel free to become one of those who make the wiki better.
Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] framed texts and other minipage
Maurice Diamantini (dom) wrote:
Le 7 janv. 06 � 13:50, Hans Hagen a �crit :
No, that will not work.
After much probing I found the culprit.
The framedtext takes the full linewidth and apparently does not
reduces it to the given size.
Therefore enclosing in a vbox seems necessary:
\vbox{\hsize=framesize\startframedtext{width=framesize ...
Question for Hans Hagen: is it an option letting framedtext set
the hsize when a specific width is given?
\hbox to \hsize \bgroup
\startframedtext[none][width=.5\textwidth]
\input tufte
\stopframedtext
\startframedtext[none][width=.5\textwidth]
\input zapf
\stopframedtext
\egroup
Why is it not possible to simply use the \framed command (with some
magic option to
put text into it) to do the obove thing?
\startframed[width=.5\textwidth, ]
\input tufte
\stopframed
\startframed[width=.5\textwidth, ]
\input zapf
\stopframed
in most cases you can use framed (make sure that you set 'align' to
something in order to enter vmode)
framedtext is a bit more clever and handles some spacing issues
If it is impossible, is there any equivalent to de minipage or
\parbox LaTeX
equivalent?
i dunno what those are, vboxes?
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] framed texts for boxing stuff
Le 9 janv. 06 à 11:52, Hans Hagen a écrit :
If it is impossible, is there any equivalent to de minipage or
\parbox LaTeX
equivalent?
i dunno what those are, vboxes?
Not sure what exactly is vboxes (something you can put in hbox? yes
it is) but LaTeX
raisebox, parbox, minipage can be put inside a text line.
minipage can manage its ones footnote, but this is not the question
here.
As the LaTeX++ concurrent package designer, you should read some
page of the
LaTeX reference documentation A document Preparation System
It is little book (272 pages with the index !) and cover the core of
the
package.
Page 103 to 110 are related to boxes, and is what is missing in context.
I'm not sure that ConTeXt \framed command is able to reproduce
the parbox behavior (position a framed box relatively to its internal
top
or bottom line and the outside baseline)
in most cases you can use framed (make sure that you set 'align' to
something in order
to enter vmode)
framedtext is a bit more clever and handles some spacing issues
With your help, and some old reference doc and the wiki
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Vertically_Centered_Boxes)
I tested the following one line text which works.
(My version of TeXExec 5.2.4 doesn't seem to support \startframed and
\stopframed so I use \framed instead).
\starttext
% align:no left right middle normal high low lohi justified
% location: low depth hanging
a word and --%
\framed[width=.2\textwidth, align=flushright, location=depth]{
some stuff
}%
--%
\framed[height=3em,width=11em, align={flushleft,lohi},
location=hanging]{
other stuff
}%
--%
another word, same line
\stoptext
But more generaly, there is a frequent need about boxing stuff and it
seems that the \framed command is the way to go. But it's not always
easy to guess the various parameters to get an expected behavior.
So what is the current reference documentation about framed
- Context the manual (page 206) ?
- ConTeXt an excursion (page 45) ?
Such a command is usefull inside some hardcoded slide.
And there could be a \boxed or \cell macro with default
frame=off parameters just to serve as special tabular cell.
I think there has to be two pairs of informations to position a
box (i.e. a cell text):
- how is the box is positioned relatively to its environment (the
location=
keyword I think),
- how to position the stuff **inside** the box (align= keyword)
What is the need for these 2 parameters :
- inside the box : everywhere. that implies two reals numbers
between 0.0 and 1.0 (perhaps wider?)
with some keyword for predefined values (flushleft, middle,
flushright
low, high, lohi and baseline,
(vjustified, justified=hjustified serve another feature)
- outside the box : only verticaly ?
one real number [0.0..1.0] plus low depth (=base?) hanging (=top)
Here a parbox provide an option for aligning the external baseline
on the top ou bottom internal line.
How can I simply optain the 0.5 = vertical middle
Probably the positionning parameters for outside the box are more
complicated : more than the internal reference point mention above is
to which external reference point the inetrenal point should be
aligned to ?
Generaly the baseline of the parent is the choosen one, but
perhaps one
like to use the 0.5ex hight one as in minus sign in the 3-2,
string
(but the TeX command \raise0.5ex could do that)
-- Maurice
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Re: [NTG-context] framed texts
Hans van der Meer wrote:
On Jan 6, 2006, at 18:20, Peter Rolf wrote:
Hans van der Meer wrote:
I want to put to some paragraphs, each as framed text, on one line.
Such as:
\startframedtext[width=...]
para 1
\startitemize
etc
\stopframedtext
\startframedtext[width=...]
para 2
\startitemize
etc
\stopframedtext
I tried some things but the two frames will not come out on one line.
How to do this?
\placesidebyside (context manual p.228) should work. A \hbox is another
option, but maybe too unhandy for this.
Greetings, Peter
No, that will not work.
After much probing I found the culprit.
The framedtext takes the full linewidth and apparently does not
reduces it to the given size.
Therefore enclosing in a vbox seems necessary:
\vbox{\hsize=framesize\startframedtext{width=framesize ...
Question for Hans Hagen: is it an option letting framedtext set the
hsize when a specific width is given?
\hbox to \hsize \bgroup
\startframedtext[none][width=.5\textwidth]
\input tufte
\stopframedtext
\startframedtext[none][width=.5\textwidth]
\input zapf
\stopframedtext
\egroup
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Re: [NTG-context] framed texts and other minipage
Le 7 janv. 06 à 13:50, Hans Hagen a écrit :
No, that will not work.
After much probing I found the culprit.
The framedtext takes the full linewidth and apparently does not
reduces it to the given size.
Therefore enclosing in a vbox seems necessary:
\vbox{\hsize=framesize\startframedtext{width=framesize ...
Question for Hans Hagen: is it an option letting framedtext set
the hsize when a specific width is given?
\hbox to \hsize \bgroup
\startframedtext[none][width=.5\textwidth]
\input tufte
\stopframedtext
\startframedtext[none][width=.5\textwidth]
\input zapf
\stopframedtext
\egroup
Why is it not possible to simply use the \framed command (with some
magic option to
put text into it) to do the obove thing?
\startframed[width=.5\textwidth, ]
\input tufte
\stopframed
\startframed[width=.5\textwidth, ]
\input zapf
\stopframed
If it is impossible, is there any equivalent to de minipage or
\parbox LaTeX
equivalent?
-- Maurice
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I want to put to some paragraphs, each as framed text, on one line. Such as: \startframedtext[width=...] para 1 \startitemize etc \stopframedtext \startframedtext[width=...] para 2 \startitemize etc \stopframedtext I tried some things but the two frames will not come out on one line. How to do this? yours sincerely, dr. H. van der Meer ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] framed texts
Hans van der Meer wrote: I want to put to some paragraphs, each as framed text, on one line. Such as: \startframedtext[width=...] para 1 \startitemize etc \stopframedtext \startframedtext[width=...] para 2 \startitemize etc \stopframedtext I tried some things but the two frames will not come out on one line. How to do this? \placesidebyside (context manual p.228) should work. A \hbox is another option, but maybe too unhandy for this. Greetings, Peter yours sincerely, dr. H. van der Meer ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] framed texts
On Jan 6, 2006, at 18:20, Peter Rolf wrote:
Hans van der Meer wrote:
I want to put to some paragraphs, each as framed text, on one line.
Such as:
\startframedtext[width=...]
para 1
\startitemize
etc
\stopframedtext
\startframedtext[width=...]
para 2
\startitemize
etc
\stopframedtext
I tried some things but the two frames will not come out on one line.
How to do this?
\placesidebyside (context manual p.228) should work. A \hbox is
another
option, but maybe too unhandy for this.
Greetings, Peter
No, that will not work.
After much probing I found the culprit.
The framedtext takes the full linewidth and apparently does not
reduces it to the given size.
Therefore enclosing in a vbox seems necessary:
\vbox{\hsize=framesize\startframedtext{width=framesize ...
Question for Hans Hagen: is it an option letting framedtext set the
hsize when a specific width is given?
yours sincerely,
dr. H. van der Meer
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