Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Saturday 03 April 2010 07:37:36 Gour wrote: However, when I ask somewhere about the support for ConTeXt I'm getting answers like: This is the project which has only 5 or 6 users. Who actually uses it? Use LaTeX! :-( You can use MS-Word - it has a *huge* user base! Alan

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi, Gour wrote: Russell As a tech writer for almost 30 years, and someone just getting Russell into Context, i am sorry to hear that was a joke! Just see the sad affair of Context's docs so that the 'book' is topic for the April's 1st joke. :-( If it wouldn't be so sad, it would be

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 08:47, Alan BRASLAU wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2010 07:37:36 Gour wrote: However, when I ask somewhere about the support for ConTeXt I'm getting answers like: This is the project which has only 5 or 6 users. Who actually uses it? Use LaTeX! :-( You can use MS-Word -

[NTG-context] Error under Ubuntu Lnux

2010-04-03 Thread Alain Delmotte
Hi! I installed Ubuntu 9.10 (in a VMWare Player under Windows) I also installed the minimals and TeXworks (in the ConTeXt tree). I run setuptex, TeXworks but then I get an error. Here information: This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.50.0-2009122419 \write18 enabled.

Re: [NTG-context] Error under Ubuntu Lnux

2010-04-03 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Alain Delmotte wrote: Hi! I installed Ubuntu 9.10 (in a VMWare Player under Windows) I also installed the minimals and TeXworks (in the ConTeXt tree). I run setuptex, TeXworks but then I get an error. Here information: This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.50.0-2009122419 \write18 enabled.

Re: [NTG-context] Error under Ubuntu Lnux

2010-04-03 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:16, Alain Delmotte wrote: Hi! I installed Ubuntu 9.10 (in a VMWare Player under Windows) I also installed the minimals and TeXworks (in the ConTeXt tree). I run setuptex, TeXworks but then I get an error. Here information: This is LuaTeX, Version

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 7:37, Gour wrote: However, when I ask somewhere about the support for ConTeXt I'm getting answers like: This is the project which has only 5 or 6 users. Who actually uses it? Use LaTeX! :-( you must be kidding ... there are some 600 people on this list whih makes it actually not

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/4/3 Gour g...@gour-nitai.com: getting answers like: This is the project which has only 5 or 6 users. Who actually uses it? Use LaTeX! :-( The answer is true if you only have to write articles for scientific journals - AFAIK there is no major one accepting Context input. Get AMS or ACM to

Re: [NTG-context] Error under Ubuntu Lnux

2010-04-03 Thread Alain Delmotte
Hi! Mojca Miklavec a écrit : On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:16, Alain Delmotte wrote: Hi! I installed Ubuntu 9.10 (in a VMWare Player under Windows) I also installed the minimals and TeXworks (in the ConTeXt tree). I run setuptex, TeXworks but then I get an error. Here information: This is

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 10:59, schrieb Martin Schröder: Or write a LaTeX module for Context. :-) http://modules.contextgarden.net/LaTeX Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: http://modules.contextgarden.net/LaTeX what do you think about luaLaTeX compatibility module for ConTeX-mkiv ? -- luigi ___

[NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Michael Saunders
This is the project which has only 5 or 6 users. Who actually uses it? Use LaTeX! That's the feeling I'm getting. I'm finding it hard to do a lot of basic things in Context. Maybe Context can do them and maybe it can't, but there is no way to find out. If the claims that Context is better

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hi Michael, based on Luatex, but that would depend on Hans explaining how Luatex works LuaTeX is documented very thoroughly. The manual is 180 pages and as far as I can see it mentions and describes every aspect of the API. I am not saying that from the reference manual alone I understand

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Vedran Miletić
2010/4/3 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com: Am 03.04.10 10:59, schrieb Martin Schröder: Or write a LaTeX module for Context. :-) http://modules.contextgarden.net/LaTeX Wolfgang Wow! Any documentation on what it supports? -- Vedran Miletić

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Andreas Schneider
Michael Saunders wrote: Mojca's point, that Context is commercial, may be the key: it can be free in name only but if the means of using it are kept secret, it's only of benefit to Pragma. (Hans himself mentioned earlier that there are many undocumented options for use in-house only that

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Michael Saunders wrote: Taco's objection that no one helps with the community project to update the reference manual is reasonable, but also predictable: strangers cannot simply wander in and write the book. The knowledge is in Hans's head (and maybe a few others), and only they can

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 08:54:54 +0200 Taco == Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote: Taco Granted, often the first (and sometimes the best) books are by Taco the inventors, but the *number* of books on a subject just gives Taco an indication of the book market size, nothing more. Well, I used

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 10:51:33 +0200 Hans == Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: Hello Hans, Hans you must be kidding ... there are some 600 people on this list Hans whih makes it actually not that small tex list; it's also one of Hans the active tex lists I just conveyed real message which I got,

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 11:20, schrieb luigi scarso: http://modules.contextgarden.net/LaTeX what do you think about luaLaTeX compatibility module for ConTeX-mkiv ? 1. The LaTeX module is from Brooks Moses, not me. 2. What do you expect from a LuaLaTeX module? Wolfgang

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 11:47, schrieb Vedran Miletić: Or write a LaTeX module for Context. :- http://modules.contextgarden.net/LaTeX Wow! Any documentation on what it supports? http://dl.contextgarden.net/modules/t-latex/tex/context/third/latex/latextest.tex Wolfgang

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Vedran Miletić
2010/4/3 Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com: Over the past four years, it has been next to impossible to get people interested in the reference manual project, not even for something as simple as reading the rewritten chapters and telling me what they think about it. Still, at the same time,

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:54:18 +0200 Andreas == Andreas Schneider ak...@gmx.de wrote: Hello Andreas, Andreas If you spend some time on the mailing list your probably make Andreas the contrary observation. There are countless cases where Andreas Hans, Taco or Wolfgang implement some features to

[NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Michael Saunders
Taco: Some feedback on the quality other than 'it sucks' would have helped enormously. ... Over the past four years, it has been next to impossible to get people interested in the reference manual project, not even for something as simple as reading the rewritten chapters and telling me what

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 14:14, schrieb Michael Saunders: I've been trying to be more constructive than saying 'it sucks'. I'm not complaining just to complain---I want to get the most I can out of the software. Please point me to a rewritten chapter you would like me to look at and I will give it a try.

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 12:54, Andreas Schneider wrote: Michael Saunders wrote: Mojca's point, that Context is commercial, may be the key: it can be free in name only but if the means of using it are kept secret, it's only of benefit to Pragma. (Hans himself mentioned earlier that there are many

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 1:48, Gour wrote: On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 10:51:33 +0200 Hans == Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl wrote: Hello Hans, Hans you must be kidding ... there are some 600 people on this list Hans whih makes it actually not that small tex list; it's also one of Hans the active tex lists I just

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Peter Münster
On Sat, Apr 03 2010, Michael Saunders wrote: That's the feeling I'm getting. I'm finding it hard to do a lot of basic things in Context. Maybe Context can do them and maybe it can't, but there is no way to find out. Could you please provide a typical example? switch and finding it

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Peter Münster
On Sat, Apr 03 2010, Patrick Gundlach wrote: LuaTeX is documented very thoroughly. The manual is 180 pages and as far as I can see it mentions and describes every aspect of the API. Moreover it seems that Taco keeps it always in sync with the code! Cheers, Peter -- Contact information:

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 11:23, Michael Saunders wrote: That's the feeling I'm getting. I'm finding it hard to do a lot of basic things in Context. Maybe Context can do them and maybe it can't, but there is no way to find out. If the claims that Context is better really aren't empty, I would expect a lot

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Alain Delmotte
Hi! Gour a écrit : 03/04 13:42 Taco The availability of ConTeXt books will not automatically create Taco more users (nor even automatically create readers, for that Taco matter). Hmm, interesting... If even you think that ConTeXt books are not important (to bring new users), then no wonder

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Graham Douglas
Taco wrote: == Over the past four years, it has been next to impossible to get people interested in the reference manual project, not even for something as simple as reading the rewritten chapters and telling me what they think about it. Still, at the same time, complaints about the

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Andrea Valle
the 2 cents of a lurker :) if the knowledge is in my head, how come that wolfgang can answer most questions (and if he couldn't we'd have a real problem as at least i have not more time) Actually, I don't need so much documentation (well, it's never enough indeed), I'd say I need a

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 14:45:51 +0200 Alain == Alain Delmotte espera...@swing.be wrote: Alain I think Taco didn't say *at all* that books are not important; Alain he just said that the books will not automatically increase the Alain use. So you think that having book(s) will leave the number of

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2. What do you expect from a LuaLaTeX module? \usemodule[latex] and then all things in latex/base/* work ok (and only these ones). -- luigi

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Taco Hoekwater
luigi scarso wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2. What do you expect from a LuaLaTeX module? \usemodule[latex] and then all things in latex/base/* work ok (and only these ones). Sounds like a good goal, but it will need a new

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote: luigi scarso wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2. What do you expect from a LuaLaTeX module? \usemodule[latex] and then all things in latex/base/* work

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 15:01, schrieb luigi scarso: 2. What do you expect from a LuaLaTeX module? \usemodule[latex] and then all things in latex/base/* work ok (and only these ones). And what's with the Lua part you want? Wolfgang

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 03.04.10 15:01, schrieb luigi scarso: 2. What do you expect from a LuaLaTeX module? \usemodule[latex] and then all things in latex/base/* work ok (and only these ones). And what's with the Lua

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 15:42, schrieb luigi scarso: And what's with the Lua part you want? encoding \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} - \enableregime[latin1] and convert latex encoding names to context names but that's possible with pure tex code font management i doubt latex’s and

[NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Michael Saunders
Wolfgang: Thanks---I'll go over what I can of those this weekend and get back to you and Taco about them in a few days. Peter: That's the feeling I'm getting. I'm finding it hard to do a lot of basic things in Context. Maybe Context can do them and maybe it can't, but there is no way to

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 03.04.10 15:42, schrieb luigi scarso: And what's with the Lua part you want? encoding \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} - \enableregime[latin1] and convert latex encoding names to context names but

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:53 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Wolfgang Schuster \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} - \enableregime[latin1] encoding are gone -- luigi ___ If

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 15:53, schrieb luigi scarso: font managemen i doubt latex’s and context’s system can be mixed (without ugly hacks) or do you mean a higher system like fontspec and luaotfload these ones The code for luaotfload is taken from ConTeXt. A high level interface like fontspec

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Alain Delmotte
Hi! Gour a écrit : On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 14:45:51 +0200 Alain == Alain Delmotte espera...@swing.be wrote: Alain I think Taco didn't say *at all* that books are not important; Alain he just said that the books will not automatically increase the Alain use. So you think that

Re: [NTG-context] InteractionsBar - another shot

2010-04-03 Thread Willi Egger
Hi Mathias, I played with your example. It looks like that the interactionbuttons option width works differentlty in MKIV. When replacing this with .9 \textwidth the buttons are placed over the whole area. However there is no spacing between the buttons. So we must ask Hans what has

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 15:56, schrieb luigi scarso: \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} - \enableregime[latin1] encoding are gone Most input encodings are supported in mkiv, only a few (e.g. cyr and mac) are gone. Wolfgang

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: The code for luaotfload is taken from ConTeXt. A high level interface like fontspec is not so hard (see simplefonts) yes, exactly what I'm thinking. and the information you need for optical sized fonts

[NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
[Disclaimer: NOT a joke!] Dear gang, cabal, and knights of the context table, FYI: I am presently working on a book: Typographical Ontology and Engineering: Structured and Automated Authoring in Context It is a book on ConTeXt, but NOT a ConTeXtBook, ConTeXt Companion, or other clone.

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Peter Münster
On Sat, Apr 03 2010, Michael Saunders wrote: That's the feeling I'm getting. I'm finding it hard to do a lot of basic things in Context. Maybe Context can do them and maybe it can't, but there is no way to find out. Could you please provide a typical example? Here are ten:

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 15:51, schrieb Michael Saunders: 2. leftward protrusion fails \definefontfeature[...][default][...,protrusion=quality,expansion=quality] \setupalign[hanging,hz] \showgrid % or \showframe There is no leftward protrusion at all. Everything on the left edge is flush with the margin,

Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread John Haltiwanger
2010/4/3 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu: It is a book on ConTeXt, but NOT a ConTeXtBook, ConTeXt Companion, or other clone. Rather, it aims to introduce Context as a general tool for typographical and typesetting engineering. Some of the philosophy of book design

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 16:16, schrieb luigi scarso: name space to avoid macro collision Possible with internal commands but you can run into problems with the user commands, a problem is also how LaTeX handle environments For \begin{env} LaTeX expects a macro with the name \env end for

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 03.04.10 16:16, schrieb luigi scarso: name space to avoid macro collision Possible with internal commands but you can run into problems with the user commands, a problem is also how LaTeX handle environments For \begin{env} LaTeX expects a macro with the

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
@Taco I think the current latex module does \def\begin#1{\csname start#1\endcsname} \def\end#1{\csname stop#1\endcsname} but that all depends on how much latex compatibility is really needed. Only for latex/base/* @Wolfgang Most input encodings are supported in mkiv, only a few (e.g. cyr

Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:41 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote: As a computer engineer, one of the most import point of luatex-ConTeXMKIV is the possibility offered by Lua of an easy binding with external C/C++ shared library. This adds another dimension to literate programming,

Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
Hi luigi, On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 08:41:47 -0600, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote: As a computer engineer, one of the most import point of luatex-ConTeXMKIV is the possibility offered by Lua of an easy binding with external C/C++ shared library. This adds another dimension to literate

Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
2010/4/3 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu: Hi luigi, Now that may be TOO advanced for this book :-) though we want to have a few examples illustrating advanced possibilities http://wiki.contextgarden.net/User:Luigi.scarso/luatex_lunatic -- luigi

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 16:55, schrieb luigi scarso: I care only unicode utf-8 This wasn't the question ;) ?? You said encodings are gone in mkiv but this isn't true, ehat you use or what's the preferred encoding is another topic. Wolfgang

Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 4:58 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: Would that make it feasible to somehow chain Parrot's Lua to LuaTeX? parrot ~ luajit cfr. http://luajit.org/ Maybe some day luatex will be jitluatex but I don't see here a priority --- luajit is x86 specific for

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: You said encodings are gone in mkiv but this isn't true, id est ? -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as

Re: [NTG-context] Error under Ubuntu Lnux

2010-04-03 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 11:05, Alain Delmotte wrote: When did you last update the minimals? LuaTeX beta-0.50.0 should not be there any more. Well! I installed it Thursday 01/04 for the first time (but I confess: I didn't update since!!) But I think Taco gave the answer, I'll wait. You

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 2:56, Gour wrote: On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 14:45:51 +0200 Alain == Alain Delmotteespera...@swing.be wrote: Alain I think Taco didn't say *at all* that books are not important; Alain he just said that the books will not automatically increase the Alain use. So you think that having

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 3:42, luigi scarso wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 03.04.10 15:01, schrieb luigi scarso: 2. What do you expect from a LuaLaTeX module? \usemodule[latex] and then all things in latex/base/* work ok (and only

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 3:49, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 03.04.10 15:42, schrieb luigi scarso: And what's with the Lua part you want? encoding \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} - \enableregime[latin1] and convert latex encoding names to context names but that's possible with pure tex code who cares about

Re: [NTG-context] InteractionsBar - another shot

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 4:08, Willi Egger wrote: Hi Mathias, I played with your example. It looks like that the interactionbuttons option width works differentlty in MKIV. When replacing this with .9\textwidth the buttons are placed over the whole area. However there is no spacing between the buttons. So

Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread Graham Douglas
Idris Hamid wrote: == FYI: I am presently working on a book: Typographical Ontology and Engineering: Structured and Automated Authoring in Context The basic outline is I. Ontology and Theory II. Typographical Engineering in Context [including special topics, advanced techniques

[NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread Yet Another ConTeXt user
If you were surprised, like me Fifty emails, in your inbox to see Let me help you with a summary Of what happened, using a poor excuse for poetry It was the day of fools When Arthur tried to be cool In ConTeXt mailing list he shouted, Look I am going to write a ConTeXt book!

Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 08:41:31 -0600, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/4/3 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu: It is a book on ConTeXt, but NOT a ConTeXtBook, ConTeXt Companion, or other clone. Rather, it aims to introduce Context as a general

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.04.10 17:11, schrieb luigi scarso: You said encodings are gone in mkiv but this isn't true, id est ? \enableregime[latin1] \starttext AOUÄÖÜ \stoptext When encodins are really gone this should fail with mkiv but what you get as output is 'AOUÄÖU' what means encodings aren't

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 6:44, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 03.04.10 17:11, schrieb luigi scarso: You said encodings are gone in mkiv but this isn't true, id est ? \enableregime[latin1] \starttext AOUÄÖÜ \stoptext When encodins are really gone this should fail with mkiv but what you get as output is

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 3-4-2010 6:44, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 03.04.10 17:11, schrieb luigi scarso: You said encodings are gone in mkiv but this isn't true, id est ? \enableregime[latin1] \starttext AOUÄÖÜ \stoptext acceptable in mkii

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote:    Pick up a pen and go 'n write    On any part of ConTeXt that you like A wiki article, a blog post, are good places to start People reading them will relish the knowledge it imparts You forgot to

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 7:09, luigi scarso wrote: but there is nothing which prevents you from using another one. or invent one by myself too --why not ? ah .. woul dhav emade a nice april 1 joke ... you announcing that there would finally be a proper input as well as font encoding for italian! Hans

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: ah .. woul dhav emade a nice april 1 joke ... you announcing that there would finally be a proper input as well as font encoding for italian! Uh? who needs them ? never had a problem with italian context -- luigi

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread Andrea Valle
me neither. Should I ? :) -a- On Apr 3, 2010, at 7:19 PM, luigi scarso wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: ah .. woul dhav emade a nice april 1 joke ... you announcing that there would finally be a proper input as well as font encoding for italian! Uh?

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 7:19, luigi scarso wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl wrote: ah .. woul dhav emade a nice april 1 joke ... you announcing that there would finally be a proper input as well as font encoding for italian! Uh? who needs them ? never had a problem with

[NTG-context] Hans' presentation: using plain TEX (from TUG 2009) [apologies if OT]

2010-04-03 Thread Graham Douglas
Dear Hans, Taco et al I hope this is the appropriate place to ask my question --- if not, my apologies. I've compiled LuaTeX on Windows and have been using Hans' presentation using plain TEX (from TUG 2009) to construct a minimal working runtime environment based on plain tex. Basically, a

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread Yet Another ConTeXt user
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote:    Pick up a pen and go 'n write    On any part of ConTeXt that you like A wiki article, a blog post, are good places to

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:58:01 -0600, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote: (Actually when I was writing this chronology Irdis was thinking about a typographical ontology) Who is this Irdis? Anyway, this is beyond thinking about it ;-) Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris

Re: [NTG-context] Hans' presentation: using plain TEX (from TUG 2009) [apologies if OT]

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 7:51, Graham Douglas wrote: So, is it possible to find and load .afm/.pfb with your luatex-plain example. Is that font machinery included in luatex-plain? the 'generic' code is only providing opentype support and type1/afm goes via the regular tex specific tfm route and believe

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 8:13, Yet Another ConTeXt user wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote: Pick up a pen and go 'n write On any part of ConTeXt that you

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread Yet Another ConTeXt user
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 3-4-2010 8:13, Yet Another ConTeXt user wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com  wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com  wrote:    

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread Yet Another ConTeXt user
2010/4/3 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu: On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:58:01 -0600, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote: (Actually when I was writing this chronology Irdis was thinking about a typographical ontology) Who is this Irdis? Oh, my heart

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote:    Pick up a pen and go 'n write  

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/4/3 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: ah .. woul dhav emade a nice april 1 joke ... you announcing that there would finally be a proper input as well as font encoding for italian! After that can we have ascii please? Best Martin

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Martin Schröder wrote: 2010/4/3 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: ah .. woul dhav emade a nice april 1 joke ... you announcing that there would finally be a proper input as well as font encoding for italian! After that can we have ascii please? ebcdic!

Re: [NTG-context] (lua?)latex module ( The ConTeXt book)

2010-04-03 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/4/3 Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com: ebcdic! UTF-EBCDIC? UTF-5? Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl /

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Saturday 03 April 2010 19:14:20 John Haltiwanger wrote: Also, I want to say that this kind of anonymous poetry is, to me, proof-positive of an excellent community. Beers all around (in Prague next September)! Alan

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:29:30 -0600, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote: Who is this Irdis? Oh, my heart now bleeds That I couldn't spell the name of Prof Hamid Our anonymous YACU ran, slipped and had to skid, Neither did (s)he know how to rhyme with Hamid Accent in

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2010 19:14:20 John Haltiwanger wrote: Also, I want to say that this kind of anonymous poetry is, to me, proof-positive of an excellent community. Beers all around (in Prague next September)! Ah,

Re: [NTG-context] Hans' presentation: using plain TEX (from TUG 2009) [apologies if OT]

2010-04-03 Thread Graham Douglas
snip much good advice from Hans Hi Hans Thank you for your commnts. Oh, for sure, tinkering with plain is just an interim step along the (long...) road. A very minimal harness setup to write minimal code --- to play with the various LuaTeX API functions via GNU's gdb debugger. By building a

[NTG-context] learning LuaTeX (was: Hans' presentation: using plain TEX (from TUG 2009) [apologies if OT])

2010-04-03 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Graham, Thank you for your commnts. Oh, for sure, tinkering with plain is just an interim step along the (long...) road. A very minimal harness setup to write minimal code --- to play with the various LuaTeX API functions via GNU's gdb debugger. By building a small test

Re: [NTG-context] Error under Ubuntu Lnux

2010-04-03 Thread Alain Delmotte
Hi Mojca, Mojca Miklavec a écrit : On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 11:05, Alain Delmotte wrote: When did you last update the minimals? LuaTeX beta-0.50.0 should not be there any more. Well! I installed it Thursday 01/04 for the first time (but I confess: I didn't update since!!) But I think

Re: [NTG-context] Hans' presentation: using plain TEX (from TUG 2009) [apologies if OT]

2010-04-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3-4-2010 8:56, Graham Douglas wrote: snip much good advice from Hans Hi Hans Thank you for your commnts. Oh, for sure, tinkering with plain is just an interim step along the (long...) road. A very minimal harness setup to write minimal code --- to play with the various LuaTeX API functions

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 16:03:34 +0200 Alain == Alain Delmotte espera...@swing.be wrote: Alain Can you read a sentence in full and not always cut out what Alain doesn't interest you, or should I mark every word as important? Excuse me...it's my mistake...I had to enclose my sentence in:

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 08:51:03AM -0500, Michael Saunders napisa#322;(a): Because I think it might be possible to produce better output with Context than with LaTeX (is this true?). My experience has been quite different from yours. I got up an running with LaTeX in a week (in 1995),

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Alain Delmotte
Gour a écrit : On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 16:03:34 +0200 Alain == Alain Delmotte espera...@swing.be wrote: Alain Can you read a sentence in full and not always cut out what Alain doesn't interest you, or should I mark every word as important? Excuse me...it's my mistake...I had to

Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 02:58:37PM +, John Haltiwanger napisa#322;(a): As this is precisely my situation, perhaps I can offer you the benefit of a test-able target audience? Today I am already looking into the best route to learning TeX/mkiv in a holistic (ie not just looking for the

Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Michael Saunders
1. columns and marginal notes conflict: For some of the issues, it would be perhaps a good idea to make proper bug-reports (with minimal example of course). In some other venue? P.S.: Please consider fixing or changing your email client: it breaks the threads. Gmail. This is broken?

Re: [NTG-context] Excursion PDf w/o controls on the page

2010-04-03 Thread Russell Urquhart
Hi, in light of the Context book discussions, i had a question. Is there a version of the Excursion book, that is in a portrait format, without the controls on the side of the page. Sorry if this is a nit, or an already answered question. This was the first book pointed to by the wiki!

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