Re: [NTG-context] \hyphenation problem
On 10/22/2017 10:16 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> Thank you, Pablo, for the workaround.
>
> As to your question, it originally came about because of the order in
> which environment files were included in a document (one general to many
> documents, one specific to a new document). Between the times I created
> them, I switched from \hyphenation to \startexceptions.
>
> In general, however, it seems that \startexceptions provides
> fine-grained control by language, whilst \hyphenation appears to be
> broad-stroke across all languages, and so it might make sense to use
> both (or not) depending on how you want to hyphenate, for example, trade
> names or other proper nouns in a multi-language work.
Hi Rik,
see this sample:
{\es \hyphenation{Schwarz-en-egger}}
{\en \hyphenation{epi-graphs Mount-weazels Mount-weazel}}
\hyphenation{Schwarz-en-egger}
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\hyphenatedword{Schwarzenegger} \\
{\es\hyphenatedword{Schwarzenegger}} \\
\hyphenatedword{Mountweazel} \\
\hyphenatedword{Mountweazels} \\
\hyphenatedword{epigraph} \\
\hyphenatedword{epigraphs}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
I have just realized that it isn’t a question of \startexceptions, it is
just \hyphenation itself.
BTW, either I totally missing the issue or \hyphenation doesn’t work for
all languages, it only works for US English (the default language).
That being said, I wonder whether it makes sense to define two instances
of hyphenation exceptions.
> But this does have me wondering if I am cancelling hyphenation overrides
> made in the ConTeXt base code by way of \hyphenation when I use
> \startexceptions. Are there any such overrides standard? (I could not
> see any in a quick search of the source, but they may not be obvious to
> me if they exist.)
I used \registerhyphenationexceptions and I didn’t get the impression it
was so tricky. But this was years ago and I don’t remember which file it
was.
Sorry for not giving more help,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] \hyphenation problem
Thank you, Pablo, for the workaround. As to your question, it originally came about because of the order in which environment files were included in a document (one general to many documents, one specific to a new document). Between the times I created them, I switched from \hyphenation to \startexceptions. In general, however, it seems that \startexceptions provides fine-grained control by language, whilst \hyphenation appears to be broad-stroke across all languages, and so it might make sense to use both (or not) depending on how you want to hyphenate, for example, trade names or other proper nouns in a multi-language work. But this does have me wondering if I am cancelling hyphenation overrides made in the ConTeXt base code by way of \hyphenation when I use \startexceptions. Are there any such overrides standard? (I could not see any in a quick search of the source, but they may not be obvious to me if they exist.) In any case, the wiki has been updated, at least to warn of this ordering issue and to suggest that \startexceptions exists. I have no documentation of \startexceptions to add. -- Rik On 2017-10-22 13:43, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: On 10/22/2017 07:18 PM, Rik Kabel wrote: Or am I doing something wrong? With the following, Schwarzenegger is not hyphenated according to the instruction. I get: Hi Rik, is there any reason not to include Schwarzenegger in the exceptions? In any case, either you use \hyphenation *after* the exceptions, or you include it in them. Both work fine. Just in case it helps, Pablo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \hyphenation problem
On 10/22/2017 07:18 PM, Rik Kabel wrote: > Or am I doing something wrong? > > With the following, Schwarzenegger is not hyphenated according to the > instruction. I get: Hi Rik, is there any reason not to include Schwarzenegger in the exceptions? In any case, either you use \hyphenation *after* the exceptions, or you include it in them. Both work fine. Just in case it helps, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem using |-| in composed words -- bug?
To comment on myself:
Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org writes:
Hi,
when using |-| in a word as a non exclusive dash, this produces wrong
hyphenation.
[...]
longer
-word
-to
-be
-hy-
phen-
ated
This is a workaround:
\definetextmodediscretionary {-}
{\prewordbreak\discretionary{\hbox{-}}{}{\hbox{-}}\prewordbreak}
However, \setuphyphenmark[sign=normal] still does not work correctly.
Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem using |-| in composed words -- bug?
Hi olli, Oliver Heins wrote: To comment on myself: Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org writes: Hi, when using |-| in a word as a non exclusive dash, this produces wrong hyphenation. Verified. Same problems here, in both mkii and mkiv. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem
Hans van der Meer wrote: In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens when I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The number of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation? ConTeXt ver: 2008.04.18 14:17 MKII fmt: 2008.4.19 int: english/ english \enableregime[mac] \language[nl] \setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt] \starttext hyphen test: aa coördinaat. \par hyphen test: aa co\ordinaat. \par \stoptext in principle we can make patterns that has this info by adding discretionaries to the patterns ... too much work to do that by hand - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem
Hans van der Meer wrote:
In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when
hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens when
I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The number
of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two
o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the
same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation?
I do not believe this ever has worked, because it is not supported
by Knuth's hyphenation algorithm, at all.
In MkIV, the following (in utf-8!) will work:
\language[nl]
\setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt]
\hyphenation{co{-}{o}{ö}r-di-naat}
\starttext
hyphen test:
a
coördinaat
\stoptext
But not the example with the \ coding (and that likely never will).
Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem
On 12 mei 2008, at 13:01, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hans van der Meer wrote:
In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when
hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens
when
I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The
number
of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two
o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the
same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation?
I do not believe this ever has worked, because it is not supported
by Knuth's hyphenation algorithm, at all.
In MkIV, the following (in utf-8!) will work:
\language[nl]
\setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt]
\hyphenation{co{-}{o}{ö}r-di-naat}
\starttext
hyphen test:
a
coördinaat
\stoptext
But not the example with the \ coding (and that likely never will).
Best wishes,
Taco
In my recollection this worked like a charm in the LaTeX-Babel package!
Hans van der Meer
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem
Hans van der Meer wrote:
In my recollection this worked like a charm in the LaTeX-Babel package!
Well, \usemodule[babel] has never worked either ;-)
Anyway, I just realised after posting my message that the input could
be made to work by making ö active and having it execute a macro like
\unexpanded\def\dutchotrema{\dicretionary{-}{o}{\charF6}}
The problem is that there is no infrastructure for such macros
(and there really has to be one, because it touches all of the
input regime, current language, and font encoding).
Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem
On 12 mei 2008, at 12:50, Hans Hagen wrote: Hans van der Meer wrote: In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens when I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The number of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation? ConTeXt ver: 2008.04.18 14:17 MKII fmt: 2008.4.19 int: english/ english \enableregime[mac] \language[nl] \setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt] \starttext hyphen test: aa coördinaat. \par hyphen test: aa co\ordinaat. \par \stoptext in principle we can make patterns that has this info by adding discretionaries to the patterns ... too much work to do that by hand I am quite surprised by this, because in dutch there are a lot of words with ö, ë to be hyphenated this way. And isn't there something alike in german with the \SS? Anyway, it would be much appreciated as this sort of hyphenation could find its way in ConTeXt. It wouldn't do if LaTeX would keep in front of ConTeXt in this respect ;-) Hans van der Meer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem
Hans van der Meer wrote: On 12 mei 2008, at 12:50, Hans Hagen wrote: Hans van der Meer wrote: In dutch hyphenated accented characters loose there accent when hyphenated: oö becomes o-o instead of o-ö. But the latter happens when I process the code below. It happens both in mkii and mkiv. The number of a's must be chosen so as to generate hyphenation between the two o's. I tried this also with another font than lmodern, but got the same result. What happened to (dutch) hyphenation? ConTeXt ver: 2008.04.18 14:17 MKII fmt: 2008.4.19 int: english/ english \enableregime[mac] \language[nl] \setupbodyfont[lmodern,10pt] \starttext hyphen test: aa coördinaat. \par hyphen test: aa co\ordinaat. \par \stoptext in principle we can make patterns that has this info by adding discretionaries to the patterns ... too much work to do that by hand I am quite surprised by this, because in dutch there are a lot of words with ö, ë to be hyphenated this way. And isn't there something alike in german with the \SS? Anyway, it would be much appreciated as this sort of hyphenation could find its way in ConTeXt. It wouldn't do if LaTeX would keep in front of ConTeXt in this respect ;-) this the area were the active was used to inject disc's: ck and such at some point we need to fix the pattern files for this since anything active or funnily escaped (using ) will mess up something else context operates within the same constraints as latex so .. -) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem with apostrophe (fwd)
No, as long as you remember to check all hyphenations of the words that end an inline quote (the ones with single or double apostrophs attached immediately to the word). Taco Peter Münster wrote: Ok, so this means, that there is no problem with \startlanguagespecifics[nl,cz,sk,fr] \lccode`\'=`\' \stoplanguagespecifics Right? Cheers, Peter ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem with apostrophe (fwd)
On Sat, 14 May 2005, Taco Hoekwater wrote: No, as long as you remember to check all hyphenations of the words that end an inline quote (the ones with single or double apostrophs attached immediately to the word). No problem, quoting in French goes « like this » :) Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation problem with apostrophe
Peter Münster wrote:
Hello,
there is no hyphenation with l'éducation.
Example:
\enableregime[il1]
\usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding]
\setupbodyfont[modern]
\mainlanguage[fr]
\starttext
\dorecurse{66}x éducation
\dorecurse{65}x l'éducation
\stoptext
ConTeXt version is 2005.01.31
Could someone help please?
The solution is:
\startlanguagespecifics[nl,cz,sk,fr]
\lccode`\'=`\'
\stoplanguagespecifics
\mainlanguage[fr]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{\eacute ducation}
\hyphenatedword{l'\eacute ducation}
\stoptext
however, there was a good reason for not making this a default, maybe taco
remembers why
Hans
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