Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:07:55 -0600, Russell Urquhart russurquha...@verizon.net wrote: As a tech writer for 27+ years, who is a recent Context newbie, I applaud your efforts and wish you the best. I just recently have been in the middle of a paradigm change myself, going from Xywrite on the PC to trying to learn and use Context and using vim/gvim as my editor. Back in 1988 or so, when i was employed at TI, we were tasked with trying to get people to use the then new Ventura Publisher for creating documents, etc. This was all pre- Windows. As a result of that i can understand your concern for having a complete system in place for your new users. Everything has to be in place. I too look forward to your book. I also look forward to seeing some examples using an Arabic font. My wife is Persian so I've gained an appreciation for typography with regard to this language also. The fact that Context as well as Vim could handle these fonts well were factors in my trying to learn them. Keep up the good work. Thank you very kindly for the words of encouragement!!! :-) Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 01:16:55PM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Yes!! That's _exactly_ the challenge! My vision is for ConTeXt to break out of the shell! :-) Best wishes Idris -- Hi Idris, As a tech writer for 27+ years, who is a recent Context newbie, I applaud your efforts and wish you the best. I just recently have been in the middle of a paradigm change myself, going from Xywrite on the PC to trying to learn and use Context and using vim/gvim as my editor. Back in 1988 or so, when i was employed at TI, we were tasked with trying to get people to use the then new Ventura Publisher for creating documents, etc. This was all pre- Windows. As a result of that i can understand your concern for having a complete system in place for your new users. Everything has to be in place. I too look forward to your book. I also look forward to seeing some examples using an Arabic font. My wife is Persian so I've gained an appreciation for typography with regard to this language also. The fact that Context as well as Vim could handle these fonts well were factors in my trying to learn them. Keep up the good work. Russ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 09:20, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: And from what I see on this list, I'm not sure winblows users are the majority. According to statistics of distribution downloads (just counting unique IPs, so not absolutely accurate), windows users amount to 17-20% downloads. Wiki gets 46% of windows users. (I'm worried a bit about the high discrepancy in numbers, in particular if you keep in mind that many might be using TeX Live under Linux, bundled with their distribution, however ConTeXt doesn't even work on MikTeX.) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
According to statistics of distribution downloads (just counting unique IPs, so not absolutely accurate), windows users amount to 17-20% downloads. Wiki gets 46% of windows users. Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with false positives because context can appear just in any context. I wonder if all those windows hits are from people who searched for any other context and ended up on the wiki by mistake... Florian (I'm worried a bit about the high discrepancy in numbers, in particular if you keep in mind that many might be using TeX Live under Linux, bundled with their distribution, however ConTeXt doesn't even work on MikTeX.) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On 15-8-2011 9:51, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On 08/15/2011 09:46 AM, Florian Wobbe wrote: Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with false positives because context can appear just in any context. I wonder if all those windows hits are from people who searched for any other context and ended up on the wiki by mistake... And, being true windows users, take 30 minutes to figure out they're on the wrong page :-) that's because we cannot afford to pay for ending up at the top (try apple: no hit for the fruit on first google search) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
2011/8/15 Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de: Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with false positives because context can appear just in any context. They even have their own conference: http://context-11.teco.edu :-) Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
Dear Knights, A lot of the criticism seems to miss the point :-) Part of the aim of the Book is to bring in new users, most of us here already know what we're doing. And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace for better or for worse. I want to break out of the usual paradigm of presenting TeX and try something new and fresh. I want to give ConTeXt to my (or your) secretary, not just to geeks like most of us. I want to get them rolling as smoothly as possible. Telling a total newbie to go find one's own editor is not going to expand the ConTeXt ecosystem very efficiently. As I said, the Book will not be tied to an editor. But I will use one as a way of easing the way for the maximum number of total non-geeks to get involved with ConTeXt. That's part of the vision I have. To realize that vision, at this point I need some help writing and compiling lexer code, which I really don't want to have to learn to do myself; I simply don't have the time and would rather concentrate my skills more efficiently. I hope one of you out there will help me :-):-):-) Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon 15 Aug 2011, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On 08/15/2011 09:16 AM, luigi scarso wrote: Under linux Wine sometimes does a great job. *If* the linux user happens to have 150 bucks and thinks it's a good idea to give that to Microsoft. Huh? I've been using Wine for a while (though not for Notepad++) and have not yet received a bill from Microsoft... Pont ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On 08/15/2011 11:51 AM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Dear Knights, A lot of the criticism seems to miss the point :-) Part of the aim of the Book is to bring in new users, most of us here already know what we're doing. And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace for better or for worse. I want to break out of the usual paradigm of presenting TeX and try something new and fresh. I want to give ConTeXt to my (or your) secretary, not just to geeks like most of us. I want to get them rolling as smoothly as possible. Telling a total newbie to go find one's own editor is not going to expand the ConTeXt ecosystem very efficiently. As I said, the Book will not be tied to an editor. But I will use one as a way of easing the way for the maximum number of total non-geeks to get involved with ConTeXt. That's part of the vision I have. Hi Idris, I'm a ConTeXt newbie (although I have been using LaTeX for 10 years). I'd use TeXworks as the editor, since it is available for Windows, Macintosh and Linux. And it can be installed with TeXLive (and updated with TLContrib). Remember: one install to rule them all ;-). So you avoid having to implement lexer scripting. BTW, I guess you plan to release the book under standard copyright license, do you? (Just asking.) Just in case it helps, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
Hi Pablo, On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:30:42 -0600, Pablo Rodríguez oi...@web.de wrote: I'd use TeXworks as the editor So would I, except that TeXWorks is not as rich in the features I'd like, nor does it handle arabic-script as well as needed. Believe me, I've looked at just about every option out there :-) The functionality I can extract from Npp gives a pedagogical advantage that's important for what I'm trying to achieve. For example, dbl-click a word and get a context-menu that allows you to tag that word without typing braces. I can even assign a shortcut so that I can tag a word and, eg, emphasize it without typing. Or type a ConTeXt command and get a list of options so you don't have to look at the manual. As a a pedagogical tool for newcomers Npp has things like this. Techies can of course choose what suits them. But I want to be able to tell my classes: All assignments must be done in ConTeXt and make it easy for them to do that. We're not at that point yet but that's the holy grail. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:38:42 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu wrote: The functionality I can extract from Npp gives a pedagogical advantage that's important for what I'm trying to achieve. For example, dbl-click a word and get a context-menu that allows you to tag that word without typing braces. I can even assign a shortcut so that I can tag a word and, eg, emphasize it without typing. Or type a ConTeXt command and get a list of options so you don't have to look at the manual. Take a look at this: http://tinypic.com/r/andfsn/7 In addition to the ConTeXt functionality note the new Arabic add-on to lm-mono, so for the first time we'll have an actually useful Arabic mono font where one can edit vowels etc. Unfortunately the opentype engine in, e.g., TeXWorks cannot handle the GSUB table properly. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
2011/8/15 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu: Believe me, I've looked at just about every option out there :-) I believe you. And I think the editor is a typical bikeshed. :-) https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Parkinson%27s_Law_of_Triviality I applaud your efforts. What's the planned release date? Will you include software? Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
Are we both talking about http://code.google.com/p/texworks/ ? Because that's free (GPLv2) and runs on Windows, OSX and Linux. I guess Kip meant WinEdt. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
Hi Martin, On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:35:24 -0600, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote: 2011/8/15 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu: Believe me, I've looked at just about every option out there :-) I believe you. And I think the editor is a typical bikeshed. :-) https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Parkinson%27s_Law_of_Triviality LOL, I think you're right :-) I applaud your efforts. I greatly appreciate that! What's the planned release date? Depends on the publisher, but there's no contract yet. If they pass on the chapters I send them, I'll self-publish it somehow. Will you include software? That's the plan, and the editor fits into that idea as well. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 08:42 +0200, Martin Schröder wrote: Are we both talking about http://code.google.com/p/texworks/ ? Because that's free (GPLv2) and runs on Windows, OSX and Linux. Best Martin Hey Martin. I meant WinEdt. Sorry for the ambiguity. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 09:20 +0200, Taco Hoekwater wrote: I, for one, am not willing to start wine to run something as basic as a text editor. My sentiments precisely. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 09:20 +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: *If* the linux user happens to have 150 bucks and thinks it's a good idea to give that to Microsoft. No thanks. It's of course way too early to say anything about a project that I haven't seen a single line of, but tying it to an editor which is not cross-platform strikes me as a poor choice. And from what I see on this list, I'm not sure winblows users are the majority. Thomas Agreed. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 03:51 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace for better or for worse. Hey Idris. I think what the folks here are saying is that that's not necessarily true - for ConTeXt. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
Hi Kip, On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:43:40 -0600, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace for better or for worse. Hey Idris. I think what the folks here are saying is that that's not necessarily true - for ConTeXt. Yes!! That's _exactly_ the challenge! My vision is for ConTeXt to break out of the shell! :-) Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:16 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Yes!! That's _exactly_ the challenge! My vision is for ConTeXt to break out of the shell! Best of luck to you. We all look forward to reading the book when done. =) -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
