Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
As Ken points out, consolidation does increase the value of the target, but it does not necessarily increase the risk of success. Pay very close attention to the recent hacking reports put out by Verizon and others. The number of attacks -- successful attacks -- against small business is rising dramatically, and in some cases, they don't even know it. With automated scanning and sophisticated attacks, there is little difference for an attacker between cloud and on-premise connected to the Internet... *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker *Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…* On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@kj.net.au wrote: A couple of thoughts: A 10 man team will be replaced with a 1 man team. And that 1 person will probably be 18 making $15/hour. Isn’t that what has been happening for 30+ years? We used to have lots of people assembling PCs, help desk staff going out to add peripherals, or swap a NIC or whatever. None of that happens anymore. You used to have one engineer to manage just a dozen servers, or a directory with a few hundred objects. Now engineers can manage far more. Yet, at the same time, continued increases in computing power, storage and network bandwidth (at falling unit cost) have enabled business, government and other organisations to continue to find new and innovative ways to harness that underlying infrastructure to produce new products, new services, new ways of doing research and so on. All you are seeing is the continued disappearance of the low value work at the bottom of the food chain. IT, like **every other facet of business** will see vendors look to commoditise low value, repeatable, well understood problem domains. But that doesn’t mean IT will disappear, or that the jobs will. They’ll migrate to other areas, as people and organisations find new ways to use their IT to do things that actually make money. Basic infrastructure services are commoditised. Basic utility services are commoditised. Basic programming is commoditised. Yet every other day you see new hardware on the market, new software on the market, new business models on the market and so on. Someone’s got to come up with all of this, and someone’s got to make it happen. As for my personal experience, the bank I work on has more servers, and more reliance on IT than ever before. That doesn’t mean we want to keep a fleet of desktop support people hovering around the place. We need more people who can architect the next great thing in wealth management or institutional banking, so that we can make money. And people to ensure that it goes in in a supportable, maintainable way. I can picture this on CNN 15,000 companies got hacked today when Amazon's cloud service got compromised. An estimated 250,000,000 US citizens effected.' And this isn’t happening today? Amazon might provide a single point-of-failure. But they’re probably harder to crack than lots of smaller orgs today. And think about the threat landscape in 5 or 10 years from now – it’s going to be even more brutal, and many “do it yourself” shops – even medium and large size organisations are unprepared today, let alone for what’s coming down the track. Stories like this abound: http://www.thesecurityblogger.com/?p=1903 Most large orgs I’ve worked at are operationally immature – documentation and processes, approvals etc. don’t exist. The technical staff there think they’re pretty good, because they can get things done “quicker and faster” than an outsourcer can. But typically this is at the expense of proper governance, auditability and accountability. It’s a landscape ripe for exploit. Typically MSPs at least claim to institute more operationally mature processes. Cheers Ken *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon D *Sent:* Friday, 15 November 2013 5:42 AM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Yeah, I agree with what everyone here is saying. My guess is we're 1 major hack away from the cloud going up in dust. I can picture this on CNN 15,000 companies got hacked today when Amazon's cloud service got compromised. An estimated 250,000,000 US citizens effected.' On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: Everything comes in waves. Contraction and expansion, centralizing, decentralizing, cloud, on-prem. Plus, there are tons of organizations that are so far behind the curve that there will be plenty of stuff to do out there, anyway. Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf
Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
I wouldn't say that's necessarily a competitor to XenApp. More like http://spoon.net The problem is, they're not really going to attack Citrix much by reinventing VDI (again). People aren't avoiding VDI because it's hard to do and complicated, people are avoiding it because it's actually not such a good idea and 99 times out of 100 a XenApp or RDSH published desktop or applications do exactly what they need without requiring VDI. I don't think it's a huge threat to Citrix (or VMWare, for that matter). More like Amazon trying to see what they can move on to because they've peaked with AWS? IMHO, YMMV, etc. On 14 November 2013 04:18, Jeff S. Gottlieb jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.comwrote: Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk
Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
Apparently, they aren't Windows 7 desktops at all Amazon Workspaces is not based on Windows VDA. Amazon provides the Windows 7 experience to end-users, delivered by Windows Server 2008 R2. So that's how they avoid Microsoft's ridiculous licensing for VDI Win7 - they use RDSH like everyone else :-) Sent from my (new!) BlackBerry, which may make me an antiques dealer, but it's reliable as hell for email delivery :-) -Original Message- From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Sender: listsadmin@lists.myitforum.comDate: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:29:44 To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Reply-to: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix I wouldn't say that's necessarily a competitor to XenApp. More like http://spoon.net The problem is, they're not really going to attack Citrix much by reinventing VDI (again). People aren't avoiding VDI because it's hard to do and complicated, people are avoiding it because it's actually not such a good idea and 99 times out of 100 a XenApp or RDSH published desktop or applications do exactly what they need without requiring VDI. I don't think it's a huge threat to Citrix (or VMWare, for that matter). More like Amazon trying to see what they can move on to because they've peaked with AWS? IMHO, YMMV, etc. On 14 November 2013 04:18, Jeff S. Gottlieb jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.comwrote: Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html -- *James Rankin* Technical Consultant (ACA, CCA, MCTS) http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk
Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
This reminds me of a music from REM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY and I don't feel fine with it... 2013/11/14 J- P jnat...@hotmail.com And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola -- From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html
Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
Makes me second guess bothering with getting a masters degree in IT, or more certifications. Sounds like IT might not be around very much in 10 years. If the users Desktop is in the cloud, and their data is in the cloud, what's left to do? You're not going to have a few servers on-site and a few in the cloud, it will be all or nothing. At least in 10 years, not right away. A 10 man team will be replaced with a 1 man team. And that 1 person will probably be 18 making $15/hour. So Maybe we can all change to computer programming? . On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Manuel Santos nel...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a music from REM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY and I don't feel fine with it... 2013/11/14 J- P jnat...@hotmail.com And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola -- From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html
Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
When has anything in IT ever been that straightforward? You will see private cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud that combines the other two. Then we will maybe see a shift back to on-premise, who knows? Remember thinking everything would get outsourced? How did that work out? I think its premature to worrymaybe we all need to keep our finger on the pulse, but I doubt IT will ever be completely replaced (to a satisfactory standard) Sent from my (new!) BlackBerry, which may make me an antiques dealer, but it's reliable as hell for email delivery :-) -Original Message- From: Jon D rekcahp...@gmail.com Sender: listsadmin@lists.myitforum.comDate: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:54:07 To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Reply-to: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Makes me second guess bothering with getting a masters degree in IT, or more certifications. Sounds like IT might not be around very much in 10 years. If the users Desktop is in the cloud, and their data is in the cloud, what's left to do? You're not going to have a few servers on-site and a few in the cloud, it will be all or nothing. At least in 10 years, not right away. A 10 man team will be replaced with a 1 man team. And that 1 person will probably be 18 making $15/hour. So Maybe we can all change to computer programming? . On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Manuel Santos nel...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a music from REM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY and I don't feel fine with it... 2013/11/14 J- P jnat...@hotmail.com And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola -- From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html
Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
Well, when Skynet happens, I think it's safe to say that IT will be completely replaced. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Rankin, James R kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: When has anything in IT ever been that straightforward? You will see private cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud that combines the other two. Then we will maybe see a shift back to on-premise, who knows? Remember thinking everything would get outsourced? How did that work out? I think its premature to worrymaybe we all need to keep our finger on the pulse, but I doubt IT will ever be completely replaced (to a satisfactory standard) Sent from my (new!) BlackBerry, which may make me an antiques dealer, but it's reliable as hell for email delivery :-) -- *From: * Jon D rekcahp...@gmail.com *Sender: * listsad...@lists.myitforum.com *Date: *Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:54:07 -0500 *To: *ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *ReplyTo: * ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject: *Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Makes me second guess bothering with getting a masters degree in IT, or more certifications. Sounds like IT might not be around very much in 10 years. If the users Desktop is in the cloud, and their data is in the cloud, what's left to do? You're not going to have a few servers on-site and a few in the cloud, it will be all or nothing. At least in 10 years, not right away. A 10 man team will be replaced with a 1 man team. And that 1 person will probably be 18 making $15/hour. So Maybe we can all change to computer programming? . On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Manuel Santos nel...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a music from REM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY and I don't feel fine with it... 2013/11/14 J- P jnat...@hotmail.com And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola -- From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html
Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
Given the unreliability of devices in my house, I would say anything like SkyNet is way off :-) when it does happen, I'm willing to wager it won't be running Windows, unless you want your Terminators stopping at configuring updates just as they're about to kill their enemies Incidentally, my better half is a dead ringer for Sarah Connor (probably circa T2). I've always been expecting a knock from a cyborg of some sort. Sent from my (new!) BlackBerry, which may make me an antiques dealer, but it's reliable as hell for email delivery :-) -Original Message- From: Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com Sender: listsadmin@lists.myitforum.comDate: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:03:23 To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.comntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Reply-to: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Well, when Skynet happens, I think it's safe to say that IT will be completely replaced. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Rankin, James R kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: When has anything in IT ever been that straightforward? You will see private cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud that combines the other two. Then we will maybe see a shift back to on-premise, who knows? Remember thinking everything would get outsourced? How did that work out? I think its premature to worrymaybe we all need to keep our finger on the pulse, but I doubt IT will ever be completely replaced (to a satisfactory standard) Sent from my (new!) BlackBerry, which may make me an antiques dealer, but it's reliable as hell for email delivery :-) -- *From: * Jon D rekcahp...@gmail.com *Sender: * listsad...@lists.myitforum.com *Date: *Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:54:07 -0500 *To: *ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *ReplyTo: * ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject: *Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Makes me second guess bothering with getting a masters degree in IT, or more certifications. Sounds like IT might not be around very much in 10 years. If the users Desktop is in the cloud, and their data is in the cloud, what's left to do? You're not going to have a few servers on-site and a few in the cloud, it will be all or nothing. At least in 10 years, not right away. A 10 man team will be replaced with a 1 man team. And that 1 person will probably be 18 making $15/hour. So Maybe we can all change to computer programming? . On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Manuel Santos nel...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a music from REM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY and I don't feel fine with it... 2013/11/14 J- P jnat...@hotmail.com And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola -- From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html
RE: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
http://energy.gov/articles/tiny-terminators-new-micro-robots-assemble-repair-themselves-and-are-surprisingly-strong From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Link Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:03 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Well, when Skynet happens, I think it's safe to say that IT will be completely replaced. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Rankin, James R kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: When has anything in IT ever been that straightforward? You will see private cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud that combines the other two. Then we will maybe see a shift back to on-premise, who knows? Remember thinking everything would get outsourced? How did that work out? I think its premature to worrymaybe we all need to keep our finger on the pulse, but I doubt IT will ever be completely replaced (to a satisfactory standard) Sent from my (new!) BlackBerry, which may make me an antiques dealer, but it's reliable as hell for email delivery :-) From: Jon D rekcahp...@gmail.commailto:rekcahp...@gmail.com Sender: listsad...@lists.myitforum.commailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:54:07 -0500 To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.commailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com ReplyTo: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.commailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Makes me second guess bothering with getting a masters degree in IT, or more certifications. Sounds like IT might not be around very much in 10 years. If the users Desktop is in the cloud, and their data is in the cloud, what's left to do? You're not going to have a few servers on-site and a few in the cloud, it will be all or nothing. At least in 10 years, not right away. A 10 man team will be replaced with a 1 man team. And that 1 person will probably be 18 making $15/hour. So Maybe we can all change to computer programming? . On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Manuel Santos nel...@gmail.commailto:nel...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a music from REM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY and I don't feel fine with it... 2013/11/14 J- P jnat...@hotmail.commailto:jnat...@hotmail.com And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.commailto:jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.commailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html
RE: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
Everything comes in waves. Contraction and expansion, centralizing, decentralizing, cloud, on-prem. Plus, there are tons of organizations that are so far behind the curve that there will be plenty of stuff to do out there, anyway. Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jon D Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:54 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Makes me second guess bothering with getting a masters degree in IT, or more certifications. Sounds like IT might not be around very much in 10 years. If the users Desktop is in the cloud, and their data is in the cloud, what's left to do? You're not going to have a few servers on-site and a few in the cloud, it will be all or nothing. At least in 10 years, not right away. A 10 man team will be replaced with a 1 man team. And that 1 person will probably be 18 making $15/hour. So Maybe we can all change to computer programming? . On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Manuel Santos nel...@gmail.commailto:nel...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a music from REM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY and I don't feel fine with it... 2013/11/14 J- P jnat...@hotmail.commailto:jnat...@hotmail.com And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.commailto:jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.commailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html
RE: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
Its probably scarier than that. A lot of phishing and other attacks are in the cloud, and imagine malicious actors buying up time and space in the cloud and hacking other tenets in the cloud and causing internal cloud disruption or DOS DDOS within the cloud. Just food for thought, EZ Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, CISA, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org Work:401-255-2497 This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jon D Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:42 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Yeah, I agree with what everyone here is saying. My guess is we're 1 major hack away from the cloud going up in dust. I can picture this on CNN 15,000 companies got hacked today when Amazon's cloud service got compromised. An estimated 250,000,000 US citizens effected.' On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.govmailto:joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: Everything comes in waves. Contraction and expansion, centralizing, decentralizing, cloud, on-prem. Plus, there are tons of organizations that are so far behind the curve that there will be plenty of stuff to do out there, anyway. Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284tel:%28916%29%20323-1284 From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.commailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.commailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jon D Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:54 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.commailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Makes me second guess bothering with getting a masters degree in IT, or more certifications. Sounds like IT might not be around very much in 10 years. If the users Desktop is in the cloud, and their data is in the cloud, what's left to do? You're not going to have a few servers on-site and a few in the cloud, it will be all or nothing. At least in 10 years, not right away. A 10 man team will be replaced with a 1 man team. And that 1 person will probably be 18 making $15/hour. So Maybe we can all change to computer programming? . On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Manuel Santos nel...@gmail.commailto:nel...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a music from REM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY and I don't feel fine with it... 2013/11/14 J- P jnat...@hotmail.commailto:jnat...@hotmail.com And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.commailto:jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.commailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html inline: image001.jpg
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A couple of thoughts: A 10 man team will be replaced with a 1 man team. And that 1 person will probably be 18 making $15/hour. Isn't that what has been happening for 30+ years? We used to have lots of people assembling PCs, help desk staff going out to add peripherals, or swap a NIC or whatever. None of that happens anymore. You used to have one engineer to manage just a dozen servers, or a directory with a few hundred objects. Now engineers can manage far more. Yet, at the same time, continued increases in computing power, storage and network bandwidth (at falling unit cost) have enabled business, government and other organisations to continue to find new and innovative ways to harness that underlying infrastructure to produce new products, new services, new ways of doing research and so on. All you are seeing is the continued disappearance of the low value work at the bottom of the food chain. IT, like *every other facet of business* will see vendors look to commoditise low value, repeatable, well understood problem domains. But that doesn't mean IT will disappear, or that the jobs will. They'll migrate to other areas, as people and organisations find new ways to use their IT to do things that actually make money. Basic infrastructure services are commoditised. Basic utility services are commoditised. Basic programming is commoditised. Yet every other day you see new hardware on the market, new software on the market, new business models on the market and so on. Someone's got to come up with all of this, and someone's got to make it happen. As for my personal experience, the bank I work on has more servers, and more reliance on IT than ever before. That doesn't mean we want to keep a fleet of desktop support people hovering around the place. We need more people who can architect the next great thing in wealth management or institutional banking, so that we can make money. And people to ensure that it goes in in a supportable, maintainable way. I can picture this on CNN 15,000 companies got hacked today when Amazon's cloud service got compromised. An estimated 250,000,000 US citizens effected.' And this isn't happening today? Amazon might provide a single point-of-failure. But they're probably harder to crack than lots of smaller orgs today. And think about the threat landscape in 5 or 10 years from now - it's going to be even more brutal, and many do it yourself shops - even medium and large size organisations are unprepared today, let alone for what's coming down the track. Stories like this abound: http://www.thesecurityblogger.com/?p=1903 Most large orgs I've worked at are operationally immature - documentation and processes, approvals etc. don't exist. The technical staff there think they're pretty good, because they can get things done quicker and faster than an outsourcer can. But typically this is at the expense of proper governance, auditability and accountability. It's a landscape ripe for exploit. Typically MSPs at least claim to institute more operationally mature processes. Cheers Ken From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jon D Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 5:42 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Yeah, I agree with what everyone here is saying. My guess is we're 1 major hack away from the cloud going up in dust. I can picture this on CNN 15,000 companies got hacked today when Amazon's cloud service got compromised. An estimated 250,000,000 US citizens effected.' On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.govmailto:joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: Everything comes in waves. Contraction and expansion, centralizing, decentralizing, cloud, on-prem. Plus, there are tons of organizations that are so far behind the curve that there will be plenty of stuff to do out there, anyway. Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284tel:%28916%29%20323-1284 From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.commailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.commailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jon D Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:54 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.commailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Makes me second guess bothering with getting a masters degree in IT, or more certifications. Sounds like IT might not be around very much in 10 years. If the users Desktop is in the cloud, and their data is in the cloud, what's left to do? You're not going to have a few servers on-site and a few in the cloud, it will be all or nothing. At least in 10 years, not right away. A 10 man team will be replaced with a 1 man team. And that 1 person will probably be 18 making $15/hour. So Maybe we can all change to computer programming? . On Thu, Nov 14
[NTSysADM] Bye Citrix
Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-th e-cloud.html
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And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html
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matter of fact- for 1800, i can my user a desktop and laptop Jean-Paul Natola From: jnat...@hotmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 23:39:38 -0500 And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html
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Yeah, but that $1800 is CAPEX, not OPEX. And if you have variable staff (call centres during Christmas rush), then this model means you only pay for what you need, when you need it i.e. not $1800 over 36 months. Your model means you pay $1800 for each pax at peak time, and have surplus assets at other times. Cheers Ken From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of J- P Sent: Thursday, 14 November 2013 3:41 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix matter of fact- for 1800, i can my user a desktop and laptop Jean-Paul Natola From: jnat...@hotmail.commailto:jnat...@hotmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.commailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 23:39:38 -0500 And who will answer the telephone when user-x has an issue? and more importantly- who else will have access to the VPC- NSA/CIA/DHS? still not sold- 50 per months x 36 = 1800- i can get a nice optiplex or hp with office for less just my .02 Jean-Paul Natola From: jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.commailto:jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.commailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] Bye Citrix Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:18:12 -0800 Just released today! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazon-workspaces-desktop-computing-in-the-cloud.html
