Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-28 Thread Neal Becker
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Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-28 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
Neal Becker wrote: I prefer python, so I prefer mercurial http://hg-git.github.com/ Dag Sverre ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Charles R Harris
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, No, I am saying we need at least five people who can commit to the main repo. That is the central repository model. Excellent - yes - that's reasonable. Then if you also agree to this: No development in

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, How does that differ from what we do now? Review? I develop in my own branches as is. Right - so - then do you always ask for a review from someone before merging into trunk? If so, then git is just a much more fluid, reliable and faster tool to do what you are doing now. True, but what

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Charles R Harris
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, How does that differ from what we do now? Review? I develop in my own branches as is. Right - so - then do you always ask for a review from someone before merging into trunk? If so, then git is just a much

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, Having said that - it will of course happen that you ask for review and no-one responds.  That's not a very big problem, because git merges are so easy that you can - as Anne said earlier - just keep on developing without worrying that your changes will go out of date. But if there's a

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Stéfan van der Walt
On 26 May 2010 23:27, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. I had a private bet with myself that that would be the case. See, it isn't so much different after all. The tools change, but the problems and solutions remain much the same. In this case, I believe the tool may

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Charles R Harris
2010/5/27 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za On 26 May 2010 23:27, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. I had a private bet with myself that that would be the case. See, it isn't so much different after all. The tools change, but the problems and solutions remain

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Stéfan van der Walt
On 27 May 2010 00:43, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Well, not quite. They can't commit to the main repository. I think the main thing is to be responsive: fast review, quick commit. And quick to offer commit rights to anyone who sends in more that a couple of decent patches.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Anne Archibald
On 27 May 2010 04:43, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe most importantly, distributed revision control places any possible contributor on equal footing with those with commit access; this is one important step in making contributors feel valued. Well, not quite. They

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Jarrod Millman
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:28 AM, Anne Archibald aarch...@physics.mcgill.ca wrote: To get back to the original point of the thread: nobody has yet objected to git, and all we have are some debates about the ultimate workflow that don't make much difference to whether or how git should be

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Jarrod Millman
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:28 AM, Anne Archibald aarch...@physics.mcgill.ca wrote: * Set up a git repository somewhere on scipy.org. It's a minor point, but setting up and maintaining our own git repository will require extra work without gaining anything useful. Github has a number of very

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:28 PM, David da...@silveregg.co.jp wrote: On 05/27/2010 02:16 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Anne Archibald aarch...@physics.mcgill.ca

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Friedrich Romstedt
I just want to say that I used Git on Windows without any problem using a minGW built Git, i.e. msysgit: http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/downloads/list The only problem I see is that with CR / CRLF / LF. When one installs msysgit, one can choose what procedure to take - to commit to the repo

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, Maybe most importantly, distributed revision control places any possible contributor on equal footing with those with commit access; this is one important step in making contributors feel valued. I think this is a very important point, but subtle. I realize that's a dangerous

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-27 Thread Friedrich Romstedt
2010/5/27 Friedrich Romstedt friedrichromst...@gmail.com: I just want to say that I used Git on Windows without any problem using a minGW built Git, i.e. msysgit: Hm, I read the other thread too late to recognise this to be discussed already - Sorry And hey, even Windows has Tab completion of

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Travis Oliphant
On May 26, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Jarrod Millman wrote: Hello, I changed the subject line for this thread, since I didn't want to hijack another thread. Anyway, I am not proposing that we actually decide whether to move to git and github now, but I am just curious how people would feel. We had a

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Jarrod Millman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: I think we are ready for such a move.    Someone should think about the implications, though (with Trac integration, check-in mailings, etc.) and make sure we get something we all like.   Somebody probably has

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Stéfan van der Walt
On 26 May 2010 16:12, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: I changed the subject line for this thread, since I didn't want to hijack another thread.  Anyway, I am not proposing that we actually decide whether to move to git and github now, but I am just curious how people would feel.  

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Bruce Southey
2010/5/26 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za: On 26 May 2010 16:12, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: I changed the subject line for this thread, since I didn't want to hijack another thread.  Anyway, I am not proposing that we actually decide whether to move to git and github

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread David Cournapeau
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Bruce Southey bsout...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/26 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za: On 26 May 2010 16:12, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: I changed the subject line for this thread, since I didn't want to hijack another thread.  Anyway, I am

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Anne Archibald
Hi Jarrod, I'm in favour of the switch, though I don't use Windows. I find git far more convenient to use than SVN; I've been using git-svn, and in spite of the headaches it's caused me I still prefer it to raw SVN. It seems to me that git's flexibility in how people collaborate means we can do

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Benjamin Root
I wouldn't call myself a developer, but I have been wanting to contribute recently. I learned source control with svn, so I am much more comfortable with it. My one attempt at using git for a personal project ended in failure. Then I discovered this guide, Git-SVN Crash Course:

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, It seems to me that git's flexibility in how people collaborate means we can do a certain amount of figuring out after the switch. This is very well said and true to our recent experience with nipy and ipython: http://github.com/ipython/ipython http://github.com/nipy/nipy My experience

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Jarrod Millman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: That's the model we've gone for in nipy and ipython too.  We wrote it up in a workflow doc project.  Here are the example docs giving the git workflow for ipython: https://cirl.berkeley.edu/mb312/gitwash/ and in

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Jarrod Millman mill...@berkeley.eduwrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: That's the model we've gone for in nipy and ipython too. We wrote it up in a workflow doc project. Here are the example docs giving the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Jarrod Millman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: I wouldn't call myself a developer, but I have been wanting to contribute recently.  I learned source control with svn, so I am much more comfortable with it.  My one attempt at using git for a personal project ended in

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Anne Archibald
On 27 May 2010 01:22, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Jarrod Millman mill...@berkeley.edu wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: That's the model we've gone for in nipy and ipython too.  We

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, Linux has Linus, ipython has Fernando, nipy has... well, I'm sure it is somebody. Numpy and Scipy no longer have a central figure and I like it that way. There is no reason that DVCS has to inevitably lead to a central authority. I think I was trying to say that the way it looks as if it

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Anne Archibald
On 27 May 2010 01:55, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Linux has Linus, ipython has Fernando, nipy has... well, I'm sure it is somebody. Numpy and Scipy no longer have a central figure and I like it that way. There is no reason that DVCS has to inevitably lead to a central

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Anne Archibald aarch...@physics.mcgill.ca wrote: On 27 May 2010 01:55, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Linux has Linus, ipython has Fernando, nipy has... well, I'm sure it is somebody. Numpy and Scipy no longer have a central figure and

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread David
On 05/27/2010 02:16 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Anne Archibald aarch...@physics.mcgill.ca mailto:aarch...@physics.mcgill.ca wrote: On 27 May 2010 01:55, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com mailto:matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, No, at this point we don't have a release manager, we haven't since 1.2. We have people who do the builds and put them up on sourceforge, but they aren't release managers, they don't decide what is in the release or organise the effort. We haven't had a central figure since Travis got a

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:28 PM, David da...@silveregg.co.jp wrote: On 05/27/2010 02:16 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Anne Archibald aarch...@physics.mcgill.ca mailto:aarch...@physics.mcgill.ca wrote: On 27 May 2010 01:55, Matthew Brett

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread David
On 05/27/2010 02:34 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: An automatic gatekeeper is pretty much a central repository, as I was suggesting. I don't understand how centraly repository comes into this discussion - nobody has been arguing against it. The question is whether we would continue to push

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, No, at this point we don't have a release manager, we haven't since 1.2. We have people who do the builds and put them up on sourceforge, but they aren't release managers, they don't decide what is in the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, No, I am saying we need at least five people who can commit to the main repo. That is the central repository model. Excellent - yes - that's reasonable. Then if you also agree to this: No development in the main repo. Merges only. then we're all in full agreement. Review is fine,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] curious about how people would feel about moving to github

2010-05-26 Thread Charles R Harris
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, No, I am saying we need at least five people who can commit to the main repo. That is the central repository model. Excellent - yes - that's reasonable. Then if you also agree to this: No development in