Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-08 Thread Dino Farinacci
Cc: nvo3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility- scheme-00.txt David, Ok. Fair enough. Any transient, ephemeral and hardware-specific state does not go with it. But, the question comes back, how much of that state is relevant

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-08 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility- scheme-00.txt David, Ok. Fair enough. Any transient, ephemeral and hardware-specific state does not go with it. But, the question comes back, how much of that state is relevant for the forwarding plane in the network. May be the applications will rebuild that state

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-08 Thread Dino Farinacci
(sgundave) [mailto:sgund...@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 12:27 AM To: Black, David Cc: nvo3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility- scheme-00.txt David, Ok. Fair enough. Any transient, ephemeral and hardware-specific state

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-08 Thread Sharon
-Original Message- From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgund...@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 12:27 AM To: Black, David Cc: nvo3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility- scheme-00.txt David, Ok. Fair enough. Any transient

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Lucy yong
: Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt Tom, Are you saying that the term “VM” should only be described in motivation and the proposed scheme should work for address mobility enabled by any methods? Linda From: nvo3 [mailto:nvo3-boun...@ietf.org

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread David Allan I
Subject: Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt I might change “mobility” to migration to avoid possible confusion with mobile IP and drop the “framework” word as this draft is laying out specific solutions. Thanks, --David From: Reith, Lothar

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Thomas Narten
= Now, if I replace VM with mobile node, that's layer-3 mobility and we have few solution options there… No. Let's please not go here. As David pointed out in a different thread, NVO3 is about VM *migration*. Mobile IP is a very different beast built on a number of fundamentally different

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Thomas Narten
Hi Tom. Migration may be a better term than mobility, but the other part of the phrasing, node, was to encompass non-VM uses cases of network virtualization migration in DC-- like job migration, container migration. Is nvo3 explicitly about VM migration so that these other cases are out of

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Linda Dunbar
, October 07, 2014 1:08 PM To: Tom Herbert Cc: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave); sarik...@ieee.org; nvo3@ietf.org; Black, David; Linda Dunbar Subject: Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt Hi Tom. Migration may be a better term than mobility, but the other part

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Thomas Narten
Hi Linda. Linux Container performs the same task as a hypervisor, i.e. enabling multiple isolated hosts (or VMs) running on a single physical machine. Why need a separate discussion for Linux Container? Who is asking for a separate discussion? I was just clarifying that Linux containers and

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Hi Thomas, No. Let's please not go here. No .. no. My comment is not intended to argue against inventing a new approach; I'm not in the way. But, if we do not discuss and show a reasonable technical argument as why an option needs to be ruled out, I suspect we will end with the exact same

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Tom Herbert
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) sgund...@cisco.com wrote: Hi Thomas, No. Let's please not go here. No .. no. My comment is not intended to argue against inventing a new approach; I'm not in the way. But, if we do not discuss and show a reasonable technical

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
On 10/7/14 8:32 PM, Tom Herbert therb...@google.com wrote: You've reverted to posing the networking virtualization problem in terms of virtual machines which leads to a use case specific solution-- this is exactly the reason I suggested to not use the term. The general problem is not (virtual)

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Black, David
Sri, On 10/7/14 8:32 PM, Tom Herbert therb...@google.com wrote: You've reverted to posing the networking virtualization problem in terms of virtual machines which leads to a use case specific solution-- this is exactly the reason I suggested to not use the term. The general problem is not

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Black, David
:27 AM To: Black, David Cc: nvo3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility- scheme-00.txt David, Ok. Fair enough. Any transient, ephemeral and hardware-specific state does not go with it. But, the question comes back, how much of that state

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-06 Thread Linda Dunbar
I agree with Tom David that this draft only describes the solutions to address the issues associated with hosts' (VMs') addresses floating across multiple NVEs or PODs, but not cover the state aspects (on middleware boxes) of the VM mobility. What do people think of NVO3 Address Mobility

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-06 Thread Tom Herbert
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Linda Dunbar linda.dun...@huawei.com wrote: I agree with Tom David that this draft only describes the solutions to address the issues associated with hosts' (VMs') addresses floating across multiple NVEs or PODs, but not cover the state aspects (on middleware

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-06 Thread David Allan I
for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt Tom, Are you saying that the term “VM” should only be described in motivation and the proposed scheme should work for address mobility enabled by any methods? Linda From: nvo3 [mailto:nvo3-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert Sent: Monday, October

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-06 Thread Tom Herbert
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Linda Dunbar linda.dun...@huawei.com wrote: Tom, Are you saying that the term “VM” should only be described in motivation and the proposed scheme should work for address mobility enabled by any methods? Yes, that is my hope, with the constraint that this

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-06 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Tom Herbert therb...@google.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Linda Dunbar linda.dun...@huawei.com wrote: Tom, Are you saying that the term “VM” should only be described in motivation and the proposed scheme should work for address mobility enabled by