Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-25 Thread Paul Robinson
On 24 July 2014 13:10, Louis Goff-Beardsley louis...@gmail.com wrote: I think eventually the acceptance of remote working from UK companies will drive up salaries in non-London roles. I remember telling several Manchester tech employers about 3 years ago the easiest way for Manchester to

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Will Jessop
On 23 July 2014 16:18, Lee Hambley lee.hamb...@gmail.com wrote: I heard yesterday about a certain popular accounting and HR company in Lancashire hiring senior rails developers on £65k a year. I know you probably don't fit the category as you don't have commercial experience. But it might be a

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Alex Lynham
...@willj.net Sent: 24 July 2014 12:02 To: nwrug-members@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan On 23 July 2014 15:47, Adam Akhtar adam.akh...@gmail.com wrote: * How is the ruby / rails job scene back in Manchester. Big or small? Growing or shrinking? I would guess we have

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Will Jessop
On 24 July 2014 12:15, Alex Lynham acelyn...@hotmail.com wrote: Not sure if this applies for everyone, seem to remember there was a lot of chat on IRC about this a little while back, but entry was around 18-20 for most people, add circa 10k for a mid. From memory of that thread and my

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Adam Holt
Will: There is a difference between what wages should be, and what is being offered by the majority of companies in manchester. There are some outliers, but if you’re talking majority of jobs are going to be agency jobs, you’re not really going to get much more than that for entry level,

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Ian Moss
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 12:25:08 +0100 Will: There is a difference between what wages should be, and what is being offered by the majority of companies in manchester. There are some outliers, but if you’re talking majority of jobs are going

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Will Jessop
On 24 July 2014 12:25, Adam Holt ads.n...@gmail.com wrote: Will: There is a difference between what wages should be, and what is being offered by the majority of companies in manchester. Yep, I'm aware of that. There are some outliers, but if you’re talking majority of jobs are going to be

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Adam Holt
Fair enough. I think 35k-45k is fair for mid level and you may be able to get that. I was just pointing out that for saying 35k for an entry level position is just not something you’re gonna get and not to base your decision to move here with the intention on getting a job at that salary :)

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Fred Thompson
I didn't want to get involved in this really, but after seeing Will's tweet I can't resist. I only have one question: Where were all you mid-level developers wanting around 30k for a rails dev position in Manchester about 6 months ago!? I offered a position, and mentioned it to the group, and

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Steven Cook
http://www.swirrl.com/jobs On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Fred Thompson fred.thomp...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't want to get involved in this really, but after seeing Will's tweet I can't resist. I only have one question: Where were all you mid-level developers wanting around 30k for a

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Will Jessop
On 24 July 2014 12:55, Fred Thompson fred.thomp...@gmail.com wrote: Anyways, I think Will is in around the correct level, at least as an employer I believe it to be true, but we don't know what the agency takes! The problem with agencies are twofold. First, their profit is linearly related to

RE: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Louis Goff-Beardsley
- LouisRoR - #Ruby #LRUG #NWRUG #Pokemonchat From: nwrug-members@googlegroups.com [mailto:nwrug-members@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Cook Sent: 24 July 2014 13:03 To: nwrug-members@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan http://www.swirrl.com/jobs On Thu, Jul 24

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Chris Seaton
To put £18k as a starting salary for a graduate into perspective, it's at the very bottom end according to HESCU ( http://www.graduates.co.uk/graduate-starting-salaries-in-2013-14/). A typical technical internship in the US - so someone who hasn't even finished university yet - pays at least twice

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Will Jessop
On 24 July 2014 13:02, Steven Cook stevenjamesc...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.swirrl.com/jobs If anyone is looking, swirrl are a nice bunch of people :) Will. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NWRUG group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Richard Renshaw
As a graduate 23k plus seems standard for any role On 24 Jul 2014 13:10, Chris Seaton ch...@chrisseaton.com wrote: To put £18k as a starting salary for a graduate into perspective, it's at the very bottom end according to HESCU (

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Sam Phillips
-20 for most people, add circa 10k for a mid. From memory of that thread and my experience so YMMV. A --- Original Message --- From: Will Jessop w...@willj.net Sent: 24 July 2014 12:02 To: nwrug-members@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan On 23 July 2014 15:47

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Ric Roberts
July 2014 13:20 To: nwrug-...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan On 24 July 2014 13:02, Steven Cook stevenj...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: http://www.swirrl.com/jobs If anyone is looking, swirrl are a nice bunch of people :) Will. -- You

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Lee Hambley
wi...@willj.net Sent: 24 July 2014 13:20 To: nwrug-...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan On 24 July 2014 13:02, Steven Cook stevenj...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.swirrl.com/jobs If anyone is looking, swirrl are a nice bunch of people :) Will. -- You received

RE: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-24 Thread Louis Goff-Beardsley
To: nwrug-members@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan And one thing to add which might be relevant for decision making - the salaries in London are 30-40k entry, 50-60k for 2 years experience and ~70k for 4 years experience, with a few companies going to 80k. Obviously

[NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-23 Thread Adam Akhtar
Hi everyone, I'm currently living in Japan but strongly considering about returning back to Manchester with my wife. This all depends on how easily I can become a rails developer back in Manchester though. *I'd love to get local devs opinions on the following - * * How is the ruby / rails

Re: [NWRUG] Greetings from Japan

2014-07-23 Thread Lee Hambley
I heard yesterday about a certain popular accounting and HR company in Lancashire hiring senior rails developers on £65k a year. I know you probably don't fit the category as you don't have commercial experience. But it might be a suitable place to look for an entry level position. I can't name