Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[mcb...@verizon.net]

 
To add a tangibly scary observation to further elucidate Pat’s point, yesterday 
afternoon hunters were actively shooting at parts of the Riverhead goose herd 
(which often have held rare, sought-after species in the past, and may or may 
not this year as well) as they made short flights shuffling between farm 
fields. 




While there are always going to be hunters out there in general, the ideas Pat 
mentioned are just a small change of something us birders on Eastern LI can do 
to make it a little safer on these birds - especially given the ease that the 
micro-location specificity of eBird and other reports can allow for hunters in 
that area.




Best,

Mike McBrien

Amityville, NY




On Friday, January 14, 2022, 06:26:11 PM EST, Andrew Baksh 
 wrote:  
 
 This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.
Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.
Best,

“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass
風　Swift as the wind林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountainSun Tzu  The Art of War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)                                            

(") _ (")                                     

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Bakshwww.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:



Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
consider important enough to consider. 

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned out 
it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left them 
there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  wrote:

Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to spread 
the word?
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:

With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until the 
end of the season.

It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks also) 
using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed Geese in 
the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally know of 
other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, etc.). A 
Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely rare, was also 
shot in this area a few years ago. 
The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame that 
the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 

We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
have moved on. 

Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the Snow 
Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[mcb...@verizon.net]

 
To add a tangibly scary observation to further elucidate Pat’s point, yesterday 
afternoon hunters were actively shooting at parts of the Riverhead goose herd 
(which often have held rare, sought-after species in the past, and may or may 
not this year as well) as they made short flights shuffling between farm 
fields. 




While there are always going to be hunters out there in general, the ideas Pat 
mentioned are just a small change of something us birders on Eastern LI can do 
to make it a little safer on these birds - especially given the ease that the 
micro-location specificity of eBird and other reports can allow for hunters in 
that area.




Best,

Mike McBrien

Amityville, NY




On Friday, January 14, 2022, 06:26:11 PM EST, Andrew Baksh 
 wrote:  
 
 This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.
Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.
Best,

“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass
風　Swift as the wind林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountainSun Tzu  The Art of War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)                                            

(") _ (")                                     

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Bakshwww.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:



Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
consider important enough to consider. 

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned out 
it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left them 
there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  wrote:

Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to spread 
the word?
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:

With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until the 
end of the season.

It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks also) 
using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed Geese in 
the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally know of 
other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, etc.). A 
Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely rare, was also 
shot in this area a few years ago. 
The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame that 
the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 

We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
have moved on. 

Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the Snow 
Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Adelia Honeywood]

Long Island's waterfowl hunting season ends on January 30th except for Snow 
Geese which is until March 6th. After January 30th should we still exercise 
these precautions with eBird? Should we wait until March 6th if people hunting 
Snow Geese might go for other geese species?
(I look up the season dates every year and avoid going to Jones Beach until the 
duck season is over ...)
ThanksAdelia
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 7:30 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines 
wrote:   Shared on North Shore Audubon Facebook group and forewarded to a few 
east end folks that are not on the list
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andrew Baksh  wrote:

This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.
Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.
Best,

“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass
風　Swift as the wind林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountainSun Tzu  The Art of War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)                                            

(") _ (")                                     

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Bakshwww.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:



Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
consider important enough to consider. 

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned out 
it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left them 
there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  wrote:

Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to spread 
the word?
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:

With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until the 
end of the season.

It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks also) 
using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed Geese in 
the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally know of 
other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, etc.). A 
Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely rare, was also 
shot in this area a few years ago. 
The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame that 
the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 

We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
have moved on. 

Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the Snow 
Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC website 
so apparently were taken illegally. 

By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few birds 
and get to 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Adelia Honeywood]

Long Island's waterfowl hunting season ends on January 30th except for Snow 
Geese which is until March 6th. After January 30th should we still exercise 
these precautions with eBird? Should we wait until March 6th if people hunting 
Snow Geese might go for other geese species?
(I look up the season dates every year and avoid going to Jones Beach until the 
duck season is over ...)
ThanksAdelia
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 7:30 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines 
wrote:   Shared on North Shore Audubon Facebook group and forewarded to a few 
east end folks that are not on the list
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andrew Baksh  wrote:

This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.
Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.
Best,

“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass
風　Swift as the wind林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountainSun Tzu  The Art of War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)                                            

(") _ (")                                     

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Bakshwww.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:



Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
consider important enough to consider. 

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned out 
it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left them 
there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  wrote:

Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to spread 
the word?
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:

With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until the 
end of the season.

It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks also) 
using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed Geese in 
the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally know of 
other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, etc.). A 
Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely rare, was also 
shot in this area a few years ago. 
The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame that 
the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 

We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
have moved on. 

Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the Snow 
Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC website 
so apparently were taken illegally. 

By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few birds 
and get to 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Jennifer Wilson-Pines]

Shared on North Shore Audubon Facebook group and forewarded to a few east
end folks that are not on the list

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andrew Baksh  wrote:

> This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately
> after reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is
> more local.
>
> Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be
> reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
>
> Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites
> and groups.
>
> Best,
>
> 
> “Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but
> manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
>
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the
> ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own
> abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass
>
> 風 Swift as the wind
> 林 Quiet as the forest
> 火 Conquer like the fire
> 山 Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu   *The Art of War*
> 
>
> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
>
> (") _ (")
>
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!
>
>
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive
> issue.
>
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected
> to mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second
> email asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various
> other social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
>
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my
> purview, but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is
> something they consider important enough to consider.
>
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
>
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going
> on. Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They
> can at least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have
> misplaced after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning
> down dozens of Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a
> field. Turned out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them
> all up and left them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
>
> Patricia Lindsay
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to
>> spread the word?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>>
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to
>>> eBird, the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese
>>> (and ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>>
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>>
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>>> seem to have moved on.
>>>
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>>
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *NYSbirds-L List Info:*
>>> Welcome and Basics 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Jennifer Wilson-Pines]

Shared on North Shore Audubon Facebook group and forewarded to a few east
end folks that are not on the list

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andrew Baksh  wrote:

> This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately
> after reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is
> more local.
>
> Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be
> reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.
>
> Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites
> and groups.
>
> Best,
>
> 
> “Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but
> manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran
>
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the
> ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own
> abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass
>
> 風 Swift as the wind
> 林 Quiet as the forest
> 火 Conquer like the fire
> 山 Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu   *The Art of War*
> 
>
> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
>
> (") _ (")
>
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!
>
>
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive
> issue.
>
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected
> to mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second
> email asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various
> other social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
>
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my
> purview, but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is
> something they consider important enough to consider.
>
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
>
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going
> on. Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They
> can at least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have
> misplaced after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning
> down dozens of Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a
> field. Turned out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them
> all up and left them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
>
> Patricia Lindsay
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to
>> spread the word?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>>
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to
>>> eBird, the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese
>>> (and ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>>
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>>
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>>> seem to have moved on.
>>>
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>>
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *NYSbirds-L List Info:*
>>> Welcome and Basics 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Andrew Baksh]

This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.

Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.

Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.

Best,


“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran

"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
> 
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
> mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
> asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
> social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
> 
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
> but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
> consider important enough to consider. 
> 
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
> 
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
> Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
> least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
> after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
> Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned 
> out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left 
> them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
> 
> Patricia Lindsay
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  
>> wrote:
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to 
>> spread the word?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>> 
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
>>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, 
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>>> 
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war 
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows 
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems 
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>>> 
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>>> seem to have moved on. 
>>> 
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the 
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>>> 
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> Welcome and Basics
>>> Rules and Information
>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>>> Archives:
>>> The Mail Archive
>>> Surfbirds
>>> ABA
>>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>>> --
> 
> --
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> Welcome 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Andrew Baksh]

This morning, I shared your post to NYS birders on Facebook immediately after 
reading it and also crossed posted to Phil Jeffery’s group, which is more local.

Additionally, I also tweeted this AM that no rare Geese or Ducks will be 
reported from either my account or the NYRareBirdAlert Twitter account.

Many Twitter users have pushed that tweet out to other social media sites and 
groups.

Best,


“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran

"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
> 
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
> mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
> asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
> social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
> 
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
> but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
> consider important enough to consider. 
> 
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
> 
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
> Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
> least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
> after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
> Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned 
> out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left 
> them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
> 
> Patricia Lindsay
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  
>> wrote:
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to 
>> spread the word?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>> 
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
>>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, 
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>>> 
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war 
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows 
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems 
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>>> 
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>>> seem to have moved on. 
>>> 
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the 
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>>> 
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> Welcome and Basics
>>> Rules and Information
>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>>> Archives:
>>> The Mail Archive
>>> Surfbirds
>>> ABA
>>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>>> --
> 
> --
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> Welcome 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[John Kent]

DEC police dispatch is 844.332.3267, or 844-DEC-ECOS.

John Kent
Selkirk

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
> 
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
> mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
> asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
> social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
> 
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
> but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
> consider important enough to consider. 
> 
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
> 
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
> Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
> least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
> after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
> Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned 
> out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left 
> them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
> 
> Patricia Lindsay
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  
>> wrote:
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to 
>> spread the word?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>> 
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
>>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, 
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>>> 
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war 
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows 
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems 
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>>> 
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>>> seem to have moved on. 
>>> 
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the 
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>>> 
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> Welcome and Basics
>>> Rules and Information
>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>>> Archives:
>>> The Mail Archive
>>> Surfbirds
>>> ABA
>>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>>> --
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[John Kent]

DEC police dispatch is 844.332.3267, or 844-DEC-ECOS.

John Kent
Selkirk

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive issue.
> 
> Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to 
> mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email 
> asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other 
> social media outlets (none of which I belong to).
> 
> Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my purview, 
> but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is something they 
> consider important enough to consider. 
> 
> Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.
> 
> All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going on. 
> Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They can at 
> least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have misplaced 
> after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning down dozens of 
> Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a field. Turned 
> out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them all up and left 
> them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.
> 
> Patricia Lindsay
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte  
>> wrote:
>> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to 
>> spread the word?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>> 
>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
>>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, 
>>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>>> 
>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war 
>>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows 
>>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems 
>>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>>> 
>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>>> seem to have moved on. 
>>> 
>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the 
>>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>>> 
>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>> Bay Shore
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> Welcome and Basics
>>> Rules and Information
>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>>> Archives:
>>> The Mail Archive
>>> Surfbirds
>>> ABA
>>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
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> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Patricia Lindsay]

Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive
issue.

Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).

Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my
purview, but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is
something they consider important enough to consider.

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.

All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going
on. Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They
can at least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have
misplaced after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning
down dozens of Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a
field. Turned out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them
all up and left them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.

Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte 
wrote:

> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to
> spread the word?
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>> seem to have moved on.
>>
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>>
>>
>> --
>> *NYSbirds-L List Info:*
>> Welcome and Basics 
>> Rules and Information 
>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>> 
>> *Archives:*
>> The Mail Archive
>> 
>> Surfbirds 
>> ABA 
>> *Please submit your observations to **eBird*
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Patricia Lindsay]

Thanks to everyone for your support and understanding of this sensitive
issue.

Ronnie, Thank you for pointing this out, absolutely, in fact I neglected to
mention this in my original email and was intending to send a second email
asking anyone who agrees and is willing, to cross-post to the various other
social media outlets (none of which I belong to).

Elliot, As far as the eBird control is concerned, this is out of my
purview, but I would ask the eBird folks reading this whether this is
something they consider important enough to consider.

Darlene, YES, I believe keeping the lists hidden from public will work.

All, I encourage everyone to call DEC if they see anything illegal going
on. Long Island is DEC Region 1. The general number is 631-444-0200. They
can at least direct you to the enforcement number, which I seem to have
misplaced after calling them a previous year when we saw hunters gunning
down dozens of Canada Geese coming in to their decoys from their perch in a
field. Turned out it was legal at that time. The hunters just piled them
all up and left them there, not sure what happened to the carcasses later.

Patricia Lindsay

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ronnie Almonte 
wrote:

> Thank you Pat, can I post a version of this on social media, in order to
> spread the word?
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 8:12 AM Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>> seem to have moved on.
>>
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>>
>>
>> --
>> *NYSbirds-L List Info:*
>> Welcome and Basics 
>> Rules and Information 
>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>> 
>> *Archives:*
>> The Mail Archive
>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Elliotte Rusty Harold]

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:12 PM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
>
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
> not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
> on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until 
> the end of the season.
>

Agreed on Facebook, this listserv, etc. However eBird should be
addressed by Cornell. I think they already have the capability to mark
species or locations as sensitive. There's no reason to rely on
hundreds of disconnected individuals changing their behavior in an
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[Elliotte Rusty Harold]

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:12 PM Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
>
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
> not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
> on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until 
> the end of the season.
>

Agreed on Facebook, this listserv, etc. However eBird should be
addressed by Cornell. I think they already have the capability to mark
species or locations as sensitive. There's no reason to rely on
hundreds of disconnected individuals changing their behavior in an
unintuitive way when instead it can be fixed once at the source. Has
anyone pointed out the problem to the relevant folks at Cornell? m

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Gerald Smith]

Thanks I did not realize rules are so loose Definitely improvements needed 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 10:03 AM, Richard Guthrie  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the named 
> species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when it comes 
> to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck species found in 
> New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may take  4 long-tailed 
> ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that hunter may take up to 6 
> Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian Wigeon, Smews, or any 
> combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters would like one or more 
> of those rarities for their trophy wall. 
> 
> Rules need to be amended.
> 
> Rich Guthrie
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn  
>> wrote:
>> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the King 
>> Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King left 
>> the sandbar when a small boat approached.
>> Eileen
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
 
>>> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect 
>>> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping 
>>> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation 
>>> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one 
>>> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting 
>>> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY 
>>> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck 
>>> 
>>> Birds rise above it all
>>> 
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  
> wrote:
> 
 
 With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
 Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
 photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
 End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
 media platform until the end of the season.
 
 It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
 the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
 ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
 Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
 we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
 King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if 
 so, extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
 
 The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, 
 from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar 
 for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want 
 war with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody 
 knows the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it 
 seems a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of 
 danger. 
 
 We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
 White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
 areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the 
 geese seem to have moved on. 
 
 Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
 the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
 the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on 
 the DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
 
 By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
 birds and get to enjoy them longer.
 
 Thanks for your consideration.
 
 Best,
 
 Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
 Bay Shore
 
 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Gerald Smith]

Thanks I did not realize rules are so loose Definitely improvements needed 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 10:03 AM, Richard Guthrie  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the named 
> species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when it comes 
> to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck species found in 
> New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may take  4 long-tailed 
> ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that hunter may take up to 6 
> Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian Wigeon, Smews, or any 
> combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters would like one or more 
> of those rarities for their trophy wall. 
> 
> Rules need to be amended.
> 
> Rich Guthrie
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn  
>> wrote:
>> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the King 
>> Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King left 
>> the sandbar when a small boat approached.
>> Eileen
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
 
>>> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect 
>>> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping 
>>> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation 
>>> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one 
>>> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting 
>>> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY 
>>> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck 
>>> 
>>> Birds rise above it all
>>> 
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  
> wrote:
> 
 
 With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
 Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
 photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
 End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
 media platform until the end of the season.
 
 It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
 the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
 ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
 Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
 we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
 King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if 
 so, extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
 
 The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, 
 from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar 
 for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want 
 war with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody 
 knows the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it 
 seems a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of 
 danger. 
 
 We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
 White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
 areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the 
 geese seem to have moved on. 
 
 Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
 the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
 the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on 
 the DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
 
 By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
 birds and get to enjoy them longer.
 
 Thanks for your consideration.
 
 Best,
 
 Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
 Bay Shore
 
 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Leslie Fiske]

Here's the link with all the details on this hunting season's  regulations

https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:03 AM Richard Guthrie 
wrote:

> The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the
> named species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when
> it comes to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck
> species found in New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may
> take  4 long-tailed ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that
> hunter may take up to 6 Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian
> Wigeon, Smews, or any combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters
> would like one or more of those rarities for their trophy wall.
>
> Rules need to be amended.
>
> Rich Guthrie
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the
>> King Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King
>> left the sandbar when a small boat approached.
>> Eileen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
>>
>> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect
>> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping
>> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation
>> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one
>> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting
>> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY
>> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck
>>
>> Birds rise above it all
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>> seem to have moved on.
>>
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>>
>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Leslie Fiske]

Here's the link with all the details on this hunting season's  regulations

https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:03 AM Richard Guthrie 
wrote:

> The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the
> named species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when
> it comes to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck
> species found in New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may
> take  4 long-tailed ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that
> hunter may take up to 6 Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian
> Wigeon, Smews, or any combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters
> would like one or more of those rarities for their trophy wall.
>
> Rules need to be amended.
>
> Rich Guthrie
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the
>> King Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King
>> left the sandbar when a small boat approached.
>> Eileen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
>>
>> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect
>> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping
>> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation
>> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one
>> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting
>> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY
>> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck
>>
>> Birds rise above it all
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
>> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>>
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
>> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
>> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
>> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>>
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
>> seem to have moved on.
>>
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
>> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>>
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>>
>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Richard Guthrie]

The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the
named species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when
it comes to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck
species found in New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may
take  4 long-tailed ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that hunter
may take up to 6 Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian Wigeon,
Smews, or any combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters would
like one or more of those rarities for their trophy wall.

Rules need to be amended.

Rich Guthrie

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn 
wrote:

> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the
> King Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King
> left the sandbar when a small boat approached.
> Eileen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
>
> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect
> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping
> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation
> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one
> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting
> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY
> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck
>
> Birds rise above it all
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
> 
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
> media platform until the end of the season.
>
> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>
> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>
> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
> seem to have moved on.
>
> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>
> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Best,
>
> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
> Bay Shore
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Richard Guthrie]

The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the
named species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when
it comes to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck
species found in New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may
take  4 long-tailed ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that hunter
may take up to 6 Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian Wigeon,
Smews, or any combination of those  And, yes.  A lot of hunters would
like one or more of those rarities for their trophy wall.

Rules need to be amended.

Rich Guthrie

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn 
wrote:

> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the
> King Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King
> left the sandbar when a small boat approached.
> Eileen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
>
> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect
> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping
> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation
> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one
> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting
> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY
> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck
>
> Birds rise above it all
>
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
> 
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and
> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East
> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social
> media platform until the end of the season.
>
> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird,
> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and
> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only
> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and
> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and
> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so,
> extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago.
>
> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork,
> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar
> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war
> with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows
> the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems
> a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger.
>
> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater
> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these
> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese
> seem to have moved on.
>
> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of
> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of
> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the
> DEC website so apparently were taken illegally.
>
> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few
> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Best,
>
> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
> Bay Shore
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Eileen Schwinn]

I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the King 
Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King left the 
sandbar when a small boat approached.
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
> 
> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect the 
> geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping information 
> out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation officers know that 
> some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one wishes to avoid all out 
> war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting problem you have down 
> there as I suspect most of the northern NY sportsperson community would be 
> oblivious of e bird Good Luck 
> 
> Birds rise above it all
> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End 
>> of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media 
>> platform until the end of the season.
>> 
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks 
>> also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed 
>> Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally 
>> know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, 
>> etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely 
>> rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>> 
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with 
>> the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the 
>> very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a 
>> shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>> 
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>> seem to have moved on. 
>> 
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
>> Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the 
>> Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC 
>> website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>> 
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>> 
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>> 
>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Eileen Schwinn]

I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses  Ditto the King 
Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King left the 
sandbar when a small boat approached.
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith  wrote:
> 
> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect the 
> geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping information 
> out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation officers know that 
> some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one wishes to avoid all out 
> war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting problem you have down 
> there as I suspect most of the northern NY sportsperson community would be 
> oblivious of e bird Good Luck 
> 
> Birds rise above it all
> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End 
>> of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media 
>> platform until the end of the season.
>> 
>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks 
>> also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed 
>> Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally 
>> know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, 
>> etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely 
>> rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>> 
>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
>> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for 
>> Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with 
>> the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the 
>> very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a 
>> shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
>> 
>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese 
>> seem to have moved on. 
>> 
>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
>> Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the 
>> Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC 
>> website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>> 
>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>> 
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>> Bay Shore
>> 
>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Gerald Smith]

My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect the 
geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping information 
out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation officers know that 
some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one wishes to avoid all out 
war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting problem you have down there 
as I suspect most of the northern NY sportsperson community would be oblivious 
of e bird Good Luck 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
> not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
> on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until 
> the end of the season.
> 
> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
> listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks 
> also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed 
> Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally 
> know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, 
> etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely 
> rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
> 
> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
> Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
> hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
> limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame 
> that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
> 
> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
> not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
> have moved on. 
> 
> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
> Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the 
> Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC 
> website so apparently were taken illegally. 
> 
> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few birds 
> and get to enjoy them longer.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
> Bay Shore
> 
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's rare geese

[Gerald Smith]

My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect the 
geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping information 
out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation officers know that 
some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one wishes to avoid all out 
war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting problem you have down there 
as I suspect most of the northern NY sportsperson community would be oblivious 
of e bird Good Luck 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and photographers 
> not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East End of Long Island 
> on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social media platform until 
> the end of the season.
> 
> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, the 
> listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and ducks 
> also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only Pink-footed 
> Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and we personally 
> know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and King Eiders, 
> etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if so, extremely 
> rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
> 
> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, from 
> November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar for Snow 
> Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want war with the 
> hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody knows the very 
> limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it seems a shame 
> that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of danger. 
> 
> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these areas 
> not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the geese seem to 
> have moved on. 
> 
> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of the 
> Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of the 
> Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on the DEC 
> website so apparently were taken illegally. 
> 
> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few birds 
> and get to enjoy them longer.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
> Bay Shore
> 
> 
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