RE: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

[Steve Walter]

Well, this is going to complicate my birding - even more. I was already
struggling with hovering vs. kiting.

 

By the way, I count them from the inlet westward. It's only right. Not going
to call the new jetties 1 and 2.

 

Am I the only one running into a million articles on the New York State gov
site, and not getting the direct link to the park article (or finding it)?

 

 

Steve Walter

 

 


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

[Grover, Bob]

I completely agree that Sy’s explanation was totally fine. My point was that we 
should all adopt his numbering system starting west and going east. The 
terminology is just a technical nit.

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On Feb 1, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Tyler Goldstein 
mailto:tylergoldstei...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was at Point Lookout today and thought Sy Schiff's explanation was quite 
sufficient.  Never heard the term groin refer to anything but a body part.  I 
would like to add to Mr Schiff's report that I also saw circa a dozen Bonaparte 
Gulls.  Thanks to the other pair of birders who pointed them out to me.  I'm 
headed to the Hamptons again tomorrow for a 3 day weekend of partying.  I will 
probably go birding on Dune Road and will report anything that's considered 
rare.

Keep it real
Tyler Goldstein
Jericho, NY

On Thursday, February 1, 2018, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:
Thank you, Sy, for being the first to explain exactly what is meant by the 4th 
(or any other) jetty.  I am ok with Sy’s terminology, but technically the inlet 
jetty is the only jetty at Pt. Lookout, the other 4 being groins.  And for 
those of you who may be confused visiting there after a year’s hiatus, there 
were traditionally only 2 groins.  Last year the Army Corps build two new ones.
Bob



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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

After a visit to Hempstead Lake SP, Joe Giunta, Debbie Martin and I (Sy Schiff) 
went looking for the KING EIDERS. It was with a  score of COMMON EIDERS at the 
4th jetty (inlet is 5). Other ducks included SURF SCOTER and LONG-TAILED DUCKS 
along with a diminished est. 600 GREATER SCAUP.
PURPLE SANDPIPERS were seen on 3 different jetties. There are deep crevasses 
between the rocks and the shorebirds quickly disappeared after being 
momentarily flushed by a crashing surf. There may have been more.
Three tries, but we got our target birds.
Sy

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

[Tyler Goldstein]

I was at Point Lookout today and thought Sy Schiff's explanation was quite
sufficient.  Never heard the term groin refer to anything but a body part.
I would like to add to Mr Schiff's report that I also saw circa a dozen
Bonaparte Gulls.  Thanks to the other pair of birders who pointed them out
to me.  I'm headed to the Hamptons again tomorrow for a 3 day weekend of
partying.  I will probably go birding on Dune Road and will report anything
that's considered rare.

Keep it real
Tyler Goldstein
Jericho, NY

On Thursday, February 1, 2018, Grover, Bob  wrote:

> Thank you, Sy, for being the first to explain exactly what is meant by the
> 4th (or any other) jetty.  I am ok with Sy’s terminology, but technically
> the inlet jetty is the only jetty at Pt. Lookout, the other 4 being
> groins.  And for those of you who may be confused visiting there after a
> year’s hiatus, there were traditionally only 2 groins.  Last year the Army
> Corps build two new ones.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Bob Grover
> d +1 (631) 761-7369 | c +1 (516) 318-8536
> *An Equal Opportunity Employer*
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Sy Schiff
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:45 PM
> *To:* nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
> *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout
>
>
>
> After a visit to Hempstead Lake SP, Joe Giunta, Debbie Martin and I (Sy
> Schiff) went looking for the KING EIDERS. It was with a  score of COMMON
> EIDERS at the 4th jetty (inlet is 5). Other ducks included SURF SCOTER
> and LONG-TAILED DUCKS along with a diminished est. 600 GREATER SCAUP.
>
> PURPLE SANDPIPERS were seen on 3 different jetties. There are deep
> crevasses between the rocks and the shorebirds quickly disappeared after
> being momentarily flushed by a crashing surf. There may have been more.
>
> Three tries, but we got our target birds.
>
> Sy
>
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

[brian . whipple]

Jetty:

According to Merriam-Webster, the first definition of jetty is “a structure
extended into a sea, lake, or river to influence the current or tide or to
protect a harbor.” The second definition is “a landing wharf.” It’s from
the Old French ‘jetee,’ literally “something thrown out, a projection.”

According to Dictionary.com, the first and second definitions are
essentially the same as Merrimack-Webster’s.

According to Merriam-Webster, the third of three definitions for ‘groin’
(also spelled ‘groyne’ in this sense) is “a rigid structure built out from
a shore to protect the shore from erosion, to trap sand, or to direct a
current for scouring a channel.” It’s history traces back to the 14th
century and comes from a mishmash of Middle English and Old English words
meaning “grind,” “ground,” “bottom,” and “abyss.” Fascinating!

Interestingly, the fourth definition of ‘groin’ on Dictionary.com is
actually “a small JETTY extending from the shore to prevent beach erosion.”
LOL

I realize that there are technical definitions beyond the scope of these
casual layperson word dictionaries, and since I’m a big fan of precision in
language and etymology, I’d love to hear what makes the inlet jetty a true
jetty and the other “jetties” groynes. Happy to take my answer offline.

With warm regards,

Brian

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:29 PM Grover, Bob  wrote:

> Thank you, Sy, for being the first to explain exactly what is meant by the
> 4th (or any other) jetty.  I am ok with Sy’s terminology, but technically
> the inlet jetty is the only jetty at Pt. Lookout, the other 4 being
> groins.  And for those of you who may be confused visiting there after a
> year’s hiatus, there were traditionally only 2 groins.  Last year the Army
> Corps build two new ones.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Bob Grover
> d +1 (631) 761-7369 | c +1 (516) 318-8536
> *An Equal Opportunity Employer*
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Sy Schiff
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:45 PM
> *To:* nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
> *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout
>
>
>
> After a visit to Hempstead Lake SP, Joe Giunta, Debbie Martin and I (Sy
> Schiff) went looking for the KING EIDERS. It was with a  score of COMMON
> EIDERS at the 4th jetty (inlet is 5). Other ducks included SURF SCOTER
> and LONG-TAILED DUCKS along with a diminished est. 600 GREATER SCAUP.
>
> PURPLE SANDPIPERS were seen on 3 different jetties. There are deep
> crevasses between the rocks and the shorebirds quickly disappeared after
> being momentarily flushed by a crashing surf. There may have been more.
>
> Three tries, but we got our target birds.
>
> Sy
>
>
>
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

[Grover, Bob]

Thank you, Sy, for being the first to explain exactly what is meant by the 4th 
(or any other) jetty.  I am ok with Sy’s terminology, but technically the inlet 
jetty is the only jetty at Pt. Lookout, the other 4 being groins.  And for 
those of you who may be confused visiting there after a year’s hiatus, there 
were traditionally only 2 groins.  Last year the Army Corps build two new ones.
Bob

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From: bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122251285-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Sy Schiff
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:45 PM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Point Lookout

After a visit to Hempstead Lake SP, Joe Giunta, Debbie Martin and I (Sy Schiff) 
went looking for the KING EIDERS. It was with a  score of COMMON EIDERS at the 
4th jetty (inlet is 5). Other ducks included SURF SCOTER and LONG-TAILED DUCKS 
along with a diminished est. 600 GREATER SCAUP.
PURPLE SANDPIPERS were seen on 3 different jetties. There are deep crevasses 
between the rocks and the shorebirds quickly disappeared after being 
momentarily flushed by a crashing surf. There may have been more.
Three tries, but we got our target birds.
Sy

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