Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-10-14 Thread Sergey Beryozkin
(GMT-05:00) To: oauth@ietf.org Cc: Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt Hi We've had a user asserting that OAuth2 == OpenidConnect, referring to the fact that the 'only' thing OIC adds on top of the authorization code flow is the client specifying

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-10-14 Thread Sergey Beryozkin
@ietf.org Cc: Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt Hi Justin, On 13/10/14 12:53, Justin Richer wrote: You are correct in that OAuth 2 and OpenID Connect are not the same thing, but your user is correct that OIDC adds a few pieces on top of OAuth to add

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-10-13 Thread Sergey Beryozkin
*Cc:* oauth@ietf.org mailto:oauth@ietf.org *Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt If we use the token endpoint then a new

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-10-13 Thread Sergey Beryozkin
(GMT-05:00) To: oauth@ietf.org Cc: Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt Hi We've had a user asserting that OAuth2 == OpenidConnect, referring to the fact that the 'only' thing OIC adds on top of the authorization code flow is the client

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-10-13 Thread Sergey Beryozkin
From: Sergey Beryozkin sberyoz...@gmail.com Date:10/13/2014 9:00 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Justin Richer jric...@mit.edu, oauth@ietf.org Cc: Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt Hi Justin, On 13/10/14 12:53, Justin Richer wrote: You are correct

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-10-13 Thread Phil Hunt
my phone / Original message From: Sergey Beryozkin sberyoz...@gmail.com Date:10/13/2014 6:33 AM (GMT-05:00) To: oauth@ietf.org Cc: Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt Hi We've had a user asserting

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-10-13 Thread Sergey Beryozkin
) To: Justin Richer jric...@mit.edu, oauth@ietf.org Cc: Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt Hi Justin, On 13/10/14 12:53, Justin Richer wrote: You are correct in that OAuth 2 and OpenID Connect are not the same thing, but your user is correct

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-10-13 Thread Phil Hunt
/ Original message From: Sergey Beryozkin sberyoz...@gmail.com Date:10/13/2014 9:00 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Justin Richer jric...@mit.edu, oauth@ietf.org Cc: Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt Hi Justin, On 13/10/14 12:53

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread Brian Campbell
...@lodderstedt.net *Cc:* oauth@ietf.org *Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt If we use the token endpoint then a new grant_type is the best way. It sort of overloads code, but that is better than messing with response_type

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread Brian Campbell
or understand the usage. *From:* OAuth [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Brian Campbell *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:53 AM *To:* Nat Sakimura *Cc:* oauth@ietf.org list *Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt I'd note

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread John Bradley
: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt If we use the token endpoint then a new grant_type is the best way. It sort of overloads code, but that is better than messing with response_type for the authorization endpoint to change the response from

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread John Bradley
: oauth@ietf.org list Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt +1 Phil @independentid www.independentid.com phil.h...@oracle.com On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:25 AM, John Bradley ve7...@ve7jtb.com wrote: I am not against

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread Dale Olds
Phil, I thoroughly enjoy working with you whenever I can, and I really liked your work on SCIM, but from the perspective of the web developers I work with, I have a few concerns about what you wrote: 1. Developer experience and usability of the standards You keep mentioning that web

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread Brian Campbell
:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:33 AM *To:* tors...@lodderstedt.net *Cc:* oauth@ietf.org *Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt If we use the token endpoint then a new grant_type is the best way. It sort of overloads code, but that is better

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread Anthony Nadalin
10:33 AM To: tors...@lodderstedt.netmailto:tors...@lodderstedt.net Cc: oauth@ietf.orgmailto:oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt If we use the token endpoint then a new grant_type is the best way. It sort of overloads code

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread John Bradley
) but that is OK to do From: OAuth [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Campbell Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:22 AM To: John Bradley Cc: oauth@ietf.org list Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt I'm sorry to miss what

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread Bill Mills
: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt   +1   Phil   @independentid www.independentid.com phil.h...@oracle.com       On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:25 AM, John Bradley ve7...@ve7jtb.com wrote: I am not against discussion in the WG.   I happen to agree with Phil's

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread Nat Sakimura
2014-07-24 14:17 GMT-04:00 Bill Mills wmills_92...@yahoo.com: Then why aren't people using this instead of (mis)using OAuth for this? Even with a spec this short, IMHO, developers would not read it. What they want is easy to read description with sample code, I suppose. It also does not have

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread Brian Campbell
Campbell *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:22 AM *To:* John Bradley *Cc:* oauth@ietf.org list *Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt I'm sorry to miss what will likely be a very engaging meeting today. The premise that some developers

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-24 Thread Anthony Nadalin
Oh yea, real different, give me a freaking break From: Brian Campbell [mailto:bcampb...@pingidentity.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:31 PM To: Anthony Nadalin Cc: John Bradley; oauth@ietf.org list Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-23 Thread Thomas Broyer
. -- Mike *From:* OAuth [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Hunt *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:09 AM *To:* Nat Sakimura *Cc:* oauth@ietf.org *Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-22 Thread Nat Sakimura
+1 to Justin. 2014-07-22 9:54 GMT-04:00 Richer, Justin P. jric...@mitre.org: Errors like these make it clear to me that it would make much more sense to develop this document in the OpenID Foundation. It should be something that directly references OpenID Connect Core for all of these terms

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-22 Thread Phil Hunt
That would be nice. However oidc still needs the new grant type in order to implement the same flow. Phil On Jul 22, 2014, at 11:35, Nat Sakimura sakim...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to Justin. 2014-07-22 9:54 GMT-04:00 Richer, Justin P. jric...@mitre.org: Errors like these make it clear to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-22 Thread Nat Sakimura
What about just defining a new grant type in this WG? 2014-07-22 12:56 GMT-04:00 Phil Hunt phil.h...@oracle.com: That would be nice. However oidc still needs the new grant type in order to implement the same flow. Phil On Jul 22, 2014, at 11:35, Nat Sakimura sakim...@gmail.com wrote: +1

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-22 Thread Phil Hunt
Speaking for myself, yes. Defining the simple ID_token grant showing how an ID token only can be returned is my minimum objective. I think there needs to be some discussion in the WG on certain features which may be better suited only within OIDC and those features which fit better as a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-22 Thread Justin Richer
So the draft would literally turn into: The a4c response type and grant type return an id_token from the token endpoint with no access token. All parameters and values are defined in OIDC. Seems like the perfect mini extension draft for OIDF to do. --Justin /sent from my phone/ On Jul 22,

Re: [OAUTH-WG] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-05.txt

2014-07-22 Thread Nat Sakimura
The new grant type that I was talking about was authorization_code_but_do_not_return_access_nor_refresh_token, so to speak. It does not return anything per se, but an extension can define something on top of it. Then, OIDC can define a binding to it so that the binding only returns ID Token. This