China weighs paper gold against dollar as reserve currency
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/breakingviewscom/5042739/Paper-gold-nice-idea-shame-about-the-politics.html
The world outgrew the gold standard decades ago. But a “paper gold” standard
might be one way out of the global financial
More like temporary rallies.. than a bull market one..The current 'credit'
crisis is so bad that even the most senior investors like Mobius can act like a
stand up comedian saying jokes line such as next bull rally :)
--- Pada Sen, 23/3/09, Herman Tobing herman.tob...@gmail.com menulis:
Dari:
dunia paper asset (currency, stocks, bonds dll) lagi bahaya, biasanya yang
terjadi malah lari ke hard asset seperti property, emas
--- Pada Kam, 19/3/09, dario kurniawan darioamran1...@yahoo.co.id menulis:
Dari: dario kurniawan darioamran1...@yahoo.co.id
Topik: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] ALERT: USD
kalau menurut www.iousathemovie.com dimana disana di jelaskan lewat video bahwa
hutang nya USA sebesar 53 Trilyun USD dan terus bertambah.
kira kira kapan USA bisa sembuh dari sakit ya?
--- Pada Kam, 5/3/09, Ferry Wachjudi ferry.wachj...@gmail.com menulis:
Dari: Ferry Wachjudi
If you want to flip invest properties in Indonesia, do not do it with real
estate or apartments.do it the traditional ala betawi way.. buy land, develop
the property, flip it immediately.this is the real indo property investment
since eons ago. :)if you go thru real estate path.. you're already
Yes i agree on Dubai.its getting more like a ghost town.recently when I was
there, I saw the palm jumeirah prop initially sold for 10 mill USD each, now
being offered for 5 mill USD and still no one buys.a lot of cars being deserted
at airports, because expat owners fleeing dubai heading
Gerald Celente, trands research boss has once said in this global crisis
and global economic depression, when people are losing ALL... they got nothing
more to lose.. so they will conduct extreme behaviour.. my condolences..
--- Pada Sab, 14/2/09, Cumi Goreng Tepung cumie...@gmail.com
imho, secured notes are only good if the counter party giving the collateral or
the security over that note is still sound and in operation. If they close shop
for good, assets used to secure that notes will not be easy to reclaim.
in this GFC scenario where finance institution are failing,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjnAjweFkM
just a side show, good to watch.bottom sure still far away imho
--- Pada Rab, 4/2/09, Baso TAHU tahub...@yahoo.com menulis:
Dari: Baso TAHU tahub...@yahoo.com
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Bottoming Out sudah lewat belum? IN YOUR DREAM! READ
THIS!
Kepada:
Could it be the indonesian version of toxicdebt being sold as harmless
investment instrument? :)
A
--- Pada Jum, 30/1/09, Tommy Jayamudita jayamud...@gmail.com menulis:
Dari: Tommy Jayamudita jayamud...@gmail.com
Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] EBA Perdana Akhirnya Diterbitkan
Kepada:
Ya.. larangan pemerintah setempat pak..
seperti di vietnam.. gold nya lebih murah 20% dari indonesia.tapi konon
pemerintah vietnam melarang emas diexport/dibawa (secara legal) keluar vietnam,
sebesar berapapun dilarang.
--- Pada Jum, 23/1/09, anru dadaq anru.s...@gmail.com menulis:
Dari: anru
kalau boleh saya tambahkan, lebih baik jangan invest di emas perhiasan, karena
ada kepercayaan di market emas indonesia bahwa emas perhiasan kadar emas nya
dicampur dan kemurnian nya sulit di buktikan dengan mudah, kecuali di test
dengan peralatan testing gold purity.jadi dari sisi investasi,
-- Pak Oen Comment dong
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Senin, 12 Januari, 2009, 12:25 PM
bole tau dimana bisa beli emas batangan yg ada certificatenya?
Indonesian Private Investors indonesianprivatein vest...@yahoo. co.id wrote
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The real lesson is, you just can not trust Paper Asset based investment
instrument 100%
Paper asset instrument is only worth at whatever the people believed to be
worth and based on whomever is acting as the market maker of it.A true
investment would be in the forms that you can touch, you can
Itu lah bahaya nya investasi paper asset yang penuh dengan counter party
risks.Paper asset banyak di pengaruhi institutional/ counter party risks..
kalau counter party risks default atau collapse, bisa jadi worthless investasi
nya.
Those banks should have invested in hard assets, things they
Maaf pak..mengenai booming 2012..dengan negara negara maju yang terus
mengencangkan ikat pinggang dan merubah pola hidup nya...nanti di 2012
seandainya industri Asia masih produksi barang pun, yang beli siapa
ya..Diantara sesama negara Asia saja, sudah saling gontok gontokan cari market
banyak juga DP di handle danareksa kok pak..mungkin kurang di expose saja :)
--- Pada Jum, 7/11/08, didi hernandi [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: didi hernandi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Heran, kenapa MI Asing? Apa MI lokal ga punya kemampuan?
Kepada: Obrolan Bandar
Dulu waktu masih di jakarta saya pernah menanyakan hal ini ke KSEI langsung,
tapi jawaban dari mereka kurang memuaskan.
Pada intinya saat itu saya tidak bisa cek kepemilikan saham saya apakah sudah
terdaftar di KSEI, karena KSEI tidak ada divisi yang menghandle penge-checkan
untuk retail
Prepare for your pension days with hard asset is much better.. not just gold..
other altenative hard assets are available. Paper asset... like insurance
policies etc.. in later years.. COLD only mean just that.. paper..
One should hedge their wealth in more tangible assets in the era of
Yes :)Welcome Gold USD$1500/oz soon
--- Pada Sab, 4/10/08, Sasuke [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: Sasuke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Congress OKs historic bailout bill
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Sabtu, 4 Oktober, 2008, 12:44 AM
betul... memang, bail out in lebih kepada memaintain investor confidence..
kalau ambruk confidence nya.. dengan sendirinya akan meltdown juga..
soal 700bio... memang 5 atau 6% dari US GDP, tapi hutang USA masih jauh lebih
besar daripada total seluruh US GDP nya... sekitar 18 Trilyun kalau tidak
Mungkin Nilai Gold nya tidak kemana mana pak..
tapi nilai USD nya yang terus melorot kebawah.. :)
--- Pada Sab, 27/9/08, er1ck [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: er1ck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Gold
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Sabtu, 27 September, 2008, 7:38
:) amen to that pak..they better put in Asia than losing those billions that
GIC oredi put in US of A
GIC made a move too early in US of A.. should have put in Asia or EM first.
--- Pada Rab, 24/9/08, qasuaribo [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: qasuaribo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: [obrolan-bandar]
Yes derivative bomb, mixture from those toxic asset deals..they launched a 700
billions bail out, but the derivative bomb is close to 90 trillion USDkind of
pointless bail out if one maybe bold about this matter
:)http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/issues.aspx?Closer-to-a-Financial-Meltdown-1558
actually with PDA you can access poems normal website with ease..no need to
sign up with poems mobile application.
but thats the thing, you need a PDA with at least winmobile 6 and IE or Opera
browser
--- Pada Ming, 21/9/08, Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik:
Its amazing eh..the US gov keep bailing out like crazy.. printing money as fast
as they could... a worse outcome in the end.. greatest inflation of all time..
welcome milk price $50 soon in US of A
yet the market happy for a while..
--- Pada Jum, 19/9/08, Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: Vic
Morgan mau dibeli perusahaan china.. CITIC..
tunggu saja waktu nya.. :)
--- Pada Kam, 18/9/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Short Seller Merajalela di W.Street, hari ini giliran
BEI ??
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL
Good.Now more and more indonesians being true investors :)
--- Pada Rab, 10/9/08, D O D I K [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: D O D I K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Tidak ada redemption besar2 an di REKSADANA !!!
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Rabu, 10 September,
lagipula fundamental perusahaan dengan harga saham , masih lebih riil
fundamental perusahaan, harga saham dengan mudah bisa di main mainkan market
maker, bukan refleksi riil daripada perusahaan itu sendiri.
--- Pada Kam, 4/9/08, pemainedan [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: pemainedan [EMAIL
Kalau menurut saya.. investor yang di katakan itu bukan lah investor
betulan.. masih lebih kepada spekulator + market timer (beberapa malah
mengatakan gambler)..Tapi ya proses lah.. investor indonesia semoga akan
menjadi investor sebenarnya segera..
selama agustus, lbh byk investor yg redemp
coba disini pak.. http://www.global-view.com/forex-trading-tools/forex-history/
--- Pada Sel, 26/8/08, pemainedan [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: pemainedan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] data historical currencies
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Selasa, 26 Agustus,
USD Pak.. USD weakening lagi.. waktu comms pada ke selatan juga karena USD
menguat.. its always been USD play play :)
--- Pada Kam, 21/8/08, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Kenaikan harga commodity TAK TERBENTUNG LAGI
In bull markets... corrections are bound to happen anyway... its not
unpredicted.. many already know this.. Commodities still in the need for years
to come.. people of the world need Comms to survive..a True investor never say
quits.. they ride the wave.. a few years downturn acceptable,
Jangan pernah ambil reksadana dari bank asing pak.. terlalu berlebihan start up
cap nya..lebih baik lewat www.fundsupermart.com saja.. hanya SGD$1000 sudah
bisa beli/masuk ratusan reksadana luar negri..
--- Pada Sel, 12/8/08, Pemain Mini [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: Pemain Mini [EMAIL
Dari Agustus 2007 sudah di prediksi DOW bisa ke 10,000 dan IDX bisa ke 1800
lagi..jadi sebenarnya banyak juga kok yang percaya..
--- Pada Kam, 17/7/08, Hadiah 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: Hadiah 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Ngga Percaya ??
Kepada:
kalau mereka sharing info begituan.. competitor akan lebih mudah saingin
portfolio performance nya mungkin ya :)
--- Pada Jum, 18/7/08, tV kun0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: tV kun0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Antam Dibuang Fortis !
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Rd indonesia, FM nya konservatif sih.. cuma maunya invest di instrumen di BEI
doang..
coba kalau bisa keluarkan produk yang lebih berani...
keluar ke market yang masih lebih bagus..
misal dengan sebuah reksadana yang dana nya beli commodities agricultur
langsung (bukan saham comm atau agri)
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From: Indonesian
Private Investors indonesianprivatein [EMAIL PROTECTED] co.id
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:16:31
+0800 (SGT)
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar]
REKSADANA MASIH LAKU ? ATAU MAU BANGKRUT
Terus aja bernanke kucurin dana ke IB IB yang justru dari awal adalah cikal
bakal akar masalah...
Heran.. sejak kapan The Fed dikasih mandat selametin IB seenaknya gitu...
Wajar aja banyak yang pengen liat The Fed Abolished..
Kalau begini carany Dow ke 10,000 makin jelas kelihatan jalannya
Index Fund babak belur juga pak..
lihat aja index fund SP 500, Euro, Vanguard global... in red semua..
Real estate masih lebih mendingan..
invest di condo apt masih yield 8%/pa, dan ditambah capital gain 10~15% /pa
--- Pada Sel, 8/7/08, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: boyz [EMAIL
100% Agreed..
contrarian investors rule :)
--- Pada Sab, 28/6/08, Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Sabtu, 28 Juni, 2008, 1:47 PM
Marc Faber dari gloomboomdoom udah bilang dow bakal bisa ke 8000 2009 or 2010
latest..
dulu tahun 2007 doi ngomong..
--- Pada Jum, 27/6/08, Agus Harimurti [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: Agus Harimurti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] JANGAN Beli Apapun
Kepada:
and thats only from sub-prime..
there are lots of derivative bombs to explode also..
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/issues.aspx?Closer-to-a-Financial-Meltdown-1558
--- Pada Jum, 27/6/08, Prasetyo, Hani [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:
Dari: Prasetyo, Hani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Topik: RE:
baca disini deh..
http://www.cnbc.com/id/25298153
Di naikkan nya tahun depan kok... efek short term nya mungkin kecil sekali ke
equities.. karena produksi oil saudi dinaikkan nya tahun 2009 bukan 2008 ini..
Pusat Dunia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Saudi pumping
I agree to what pak antonius said...
plus.. imho... as long people got their asset allocation's right.. even few
years wait to get equities back performing isnt much of a problem.. since you
can get yields on your other assets on your portfolio.. cmon lar.. investment
isnt all just equities
ya bagus lah..
selama ini pundi pundi uang na FM emang dari bikin RD RD baru sih..
makanya banyak luncurin RD RD baru tapi ya gitu gitu aja scope nya.. cuma saham
saham / instrumen lokal di indonesia aja..
coba mereka bikin RD yang bisa porsi 3 market misalya.. 30% BEI 30% STI 30%
KLSE.. wew
wah itu analisa old skool memang betul sih, tapi mengingat di BEI market maker
lebih berperan daripada FA sebuah perusahaan, kadang old skool analysis suka
jadi di disregard ya :)
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diana BBCA sudah koreksi cukup banyak,
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