[obrolan-bandar] Re: Elaine japri, bilang ke 2000 (!!!??) probabilitas %?
Daer Pak AA, The main index looks even healthier... Thought YOU WERE selling pak and driving down index peace, fs - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Please fwd to OB
sorry... but reading your posting has really inspired my curiousity... how come a person like you who only trades less than IDR1 billion a day could say that u could bomb my currency...my equity...? come on...my radar never gets you in or out...even.. today (Monday), most selling was executed by CS on notes from its research team that the Philippines market is more attractive after falling 15% so far this year and ask to reduce Indonesian shares, in this case is Bumi... Overall, CS is now making its biggest gamble of investment by recommending a politically unstable philippine which will in coming days may be jolted by series of street demonstrations to oust Arroyo (GMA)... peace...and am just enjoying this TEMPORARY bearish trend for my fund-consortium's buying program waiting for the next stop at 2610 before another take off Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somehow I got banned.. lol, that's a nice way to say thanks. After all, I was just passing by. Well, I guess I'm not welcome here so, good luck and thank you. I won't come back, don't worry bout that... Hopefully no one was hurt because of me... Elaine - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Just passing by...
elaine, whuaa.nice posting...provoking and intriguing... but, before making any statement please take a look at and have a good, careful reading and understanding to my previous posting... I know it was a broken english...but please read it once more time...if u have time.. As I said am not challenging anyone here...whom I know are masters in equity investment... But, sorry... I think you are too good to be true... So, i would say You win...happy..? Agh it's always hard to find friends...hard to say am just a small one; not that high or even better than others... hehe best, fs - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[obrolan-bandar] Re:Where do we go from here?
dear Mbah, first of all hello... and my apology for popping up disturbing your enjoyment of managing this fabulous mailing list anyway, there have been clear signs of short term bullish rendement on chart reading, but was then turned down by needy liquidity maintenance which you know better than I do... so, oil prices were up not because of a huge demand but due to refinery failure...means, it may pull back to below $100 again in coming days ...although opportunity to hit $150 remains. In this kind of event, if I WERE retailers i would prefer to hold cash. But if the time horizon is for long term one...let's say 18 months...let it be... believe it or not the main index by end-2009 would hit 4100 at the lower-mediocre scenario... for retailers, IF there is any pull back, the main index of 2580-2640 would be good levels for looking up good stocks... For long term lovers, why do we have to think of next week or yesterday if we have set the target...? all the best - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[obrolan-bandar] Re:Where do we go from here?
Bettina, Thought You are bullish for 2850. second wave of huge selling could occur in the third or fourth week of March. If not, everything looks okay until second week of May... Barvo for your insight view disclaimer on... - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[obrolan-bandar] Re:Jika saya BANDAR BESAR berinitial S
hahahahahasoros juga rugi dari sub-primealmost $6 billion. Dia punya $5 T?...hehehehe gak lah... so, dia cuma mo goyang kalau dia yakin dia bisa untung... waktu di inggris malah dibantuin ama MI6... sekarang bung S ini malah gak banyak main...underlying capital nya dah abis kali... saya malah lebih takut ngadepin bandar sosro...alias aseng yang punya nyali... peace __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: Balasan: Re: [obrolan-bandar] DON'T SHORT!! .
i did...several times...giving you all here some infos... which were good for long term players... anyway, the main index today may be closed at another fresh RECORD HIGH. felix krisanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wah Mr.FS selalu tertawa hehehehe... hebat ya, keep cool even the market is still going,stayed in his own anlysis.. jangan2 Mr. FS emang big player sesuai dgn namanya, bagi2lah kalo ada bocorannya pak...:) Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehehe...nice nice. Swing Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mungkin sekali ini apa yang ditulis Bettina Tan TERJADI, dulu dia pernah peringatin tentang market down and it happen. SHORT . SHORT in the market, there is a bullish and there is bearish, sometimes people BUY like crazy man and never THINK what will happen when the market against him MARGIN CALL, that's the answer and people will SELL his stock crazily too DON'T BE STUPID, BE CLEVER NEVER TRUST ANYBODY IN THE WILD WORLD EVEN HE IS A BIG PLAYER On 4/27/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehehehehe.. what a tireless effort you said this since the main index at 1790 hehehehehe Bettina Tan bettina.tan@ gmail.com wrote: Again, because people are too optimistic, they leverage too high, money have been put in the market even margin facility have used to the limit. Then the condition is used by big FM put the contrarian position. On 4/27/07, Lee Cwan Yeuw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PRICE = PERCEPTION If you believemarket still grow up Don't short! But if you believe... market will be down sell out. If you are big investor it doesn't matter. but if you are small investor.. you will buy in the high. My GURU said NEVER SHORT THE TREND Shorting the trend refers to sell short when a new high is reached in the stock market, or, in an individual stock, when the trend has been definitely upward. The investor making a large gamble that market will turn and decline. The market and the stock might turn or not turn. The fact is stocks tend to move as a group, and trends tend to continue. - Original Message From: Bettina Tan bettina.tan@ gmail.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 9:45:11AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] SHORT!! lock your profit. NOW.. - Real people. Real questions. Real answers. Share what you know . - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Kunjungi halaman depan Yahoo! Indonesia yang baru! - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: Balasan: Re: [obrolan-bandar] DON'T SHORT!! .
Dear bros and sis, today we learn that Indonesian markets should not always follow what happened across Asia. The bearish Asian markets should not be (often) translated that Jakarta will follow suit. Monday...? I hope the main index will see another new green day before it reverses at 2026 and pulling back to 1960 So, today i just broke the rule And this is my last posting in this milist...for those who have shared the views with me...Thanks much I do respect you all. And, please don't make any provoking comments that could make someone losing his/her opportunity to gain Best... Oskar Syahbana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cuma beda 3 poin dari harga kemaren but it is indeed a new high. Will the index made a new high again next monday ?? Only the market knows :-) On 4/27/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i did...several times...giving you all here some infos... which were good for long term players... anyway, the main index today may be closed at another fresh RECORD HIGH. felix krisanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wah Mr.FS selalu tertawa hehehehe... hebat ya, keep cool even the market is still going,stayed in his own anlysis.. jangan2 Mr. FS emang big player sesuai dgn namanya, bagi2lah kalo ada bocorannya pak...:) Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehehe...nice nice. Swing Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mungkin sekali ini apa yang ditulis Bettina Tan TERJADI, dulu dia pernah peringatin tentang market down and it happen. SHORT . SHORT in the market, there is a bullish and there is bearish, sometimes people BUY like crazy man and never THINK what will happen when the market against him MARGIN CALL, that's the answer and people will SELL his stock crazily too DON'T BE STUPID, BE CLEVER NEVER TRUST ANYBODY IN THE WILD WORLD EVEN HE IS A BIG PLAYER On 4/27/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehehehehe.. what a tireless effort you said this since the main index at 1790 hehehehehe Bettina Tan bettina.tan@ gmail.com wrote: Again, because people are too optimistic, they leverage too high, money have been put in the market even margin facility have used to the limit. Then the condition is used by big FM put the contrarian position. On 4/27/07, Lee Cwan Yeuw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PRICE = PERCEPTION If you believemarket still grow up Don't short! But if you believe... market will be down sell out. If you are big investor it doesn't matter. but if you are small investor.. you will buy in the high. My GURU said NEVER SHORT THE TREND Shorting the trend refers to sell short when a new high is reached in the stock market, or, in an individual stock, when the trend has been definitely upward. The investor making a large gamble that market will turn and decline. The market and the stock might turn or not turn. The fact is stocks tend to move as a group, and trends tend to continue. - Original Message From: Bettina Tan bettina.tan@ gmail.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 9:45:11AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] SHORT!! lock your profit. NOW.. - Real people. Real questions. Real answers. Share what you know . - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Kunjungi halaman depan Yahoo! Indonesia yang baru! - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- Oskar Syahbana http://permagnus.com/ -- A Financial site with a human touch Please send private messages to iservasia[at]gmail.com - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] DON'T SHORT!! .
hehehehe...nice nice. Swing Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mungkin sekali ini apa yang ditulis Bettina Tan TERJADI, dulu dia pernah peringatin tentang market down and it happen. SHORT . SHORT in the market, there is a bullish and there is bearish, sometimes people BUY like crazy man and never THINK what will happen when the market against him MARGIN CALL, that's the answer and people will SELL his stock crazily too DON'T BE STUPID, BE CLEVER NEVER TRUST ANYBODY IN THE WILD WORLD EVEN HE IS A BIG PLAYER On 4/27/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehehehehe.. what a tireless effort you said this since the main index at 1790 hehehehehe Bettina Tan bettina.tan@ gmail.com wrote: Again, because people are too optimistic, they leverage too high, money have been put in the market even margin facility have used to the limit. Then the condition is used by big FM put the contrarian position. On 4/27/07, Lee Cwan Yeuw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PRICE = PERCEPTION If you believemarket still grow up Don't short! But if you believe... market will be down sell out. If you are big investor it doesn't matter. but if you are small investor.. you will buy in the high. My GURU said NEVER SHORT THE TREND Shorting the trend refers to sell short when a new high is reached in the stock market, or, in an individual stock, when the trend has been definitely upward. The investor making a large gamble that market will turn and decline. The market and the stock might turn or not turn. The fact is stocks tend to move as a group, and trends tend to continue. - Original Message From: Bettina Tan bettina.tan@ gmail.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 9:45:11AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] SHORT!! lock your profit. NOW.. - Real people. Real questions. Real answers. Share what you know . - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Inco
geeez.. come onbe logic. James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hehehhe ... maksudnya sudah jualan dulu ... saya juga sudah siap tampung kok di 54000 sesuai target price dari chart reading ... Bukan saya yang baik tapi Bandar karena saya cuma ikutin maunya bandar saja On 4/26/07, ihsg 88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He...he...hee Saya sudah siap tampung dengan Full Power. Bpk. James baik hati. Trims. On 4/26/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya sih masih rekomend SELL untuk INCO dengan target price ke 54000-an On 4/25/07, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bagi yg belum punya, kesempatan masuk tuh. Udah di short-in (atau TP? ) oleh beberapa rekan2 di sini. Yang sdh punya, semoga di hold tight. Salam, Rei - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] masih segan
you are wrongand know nothing... macan cuan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jam 11 Setelah celingukan di angka 2007 IHSG JKSE , masuk toilet doank lalu...balik maning.masih segan masuk ke area 2K week end datang...pada mau liburan dulu para bandarnya bubar jalan... - Kunjungi halaman depan Yahoo! Indonesia yang baru! - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Selasa Koreksi
There MAY be a MILD to HEAVY correction in the first week of May... not because of chart reading nor speculation, but the fact is that some of big foreign hedge funds will have their maturity due (while intl bonds issues in South Korea and Hong Kong are on, so fund swicthing would be) BUT, Hopefully this would be just a theoritical 'PULL BACK on chart reading Anyway, I always feel that short trade isn't an unfair game and too speculative...but, any investment decision is on your call... Meanwhile, a minor correction on Wednesday or Thursday would take place but, won't necessarily hurt long term invetment management... disclaimer is heavily on... GBU, cheers Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:CMIIW... kita diskusi aja.. ilmu EW saya umurnya masih 2 bulan .. so.. kemungkinan besar salah. saya rasa corection wave 4 a-b-c sudah terjadi di hari kamis minggu lalu.. sekaligus dalam 1 hari. Lalu soal wave b.. apakah boleh wave b bikin new high.. koreksi kog new high. Saya sih sependapat bahwa koreksi dalam sedang menanti IHSG.. tapi saya yakin bukan minggu ini.. sampai akhir bulan April saya lihat bull all the way On 4/23/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya nggak coba ngomporin tapi dari teori Elwave, setiap kenaikan dan keturunan ada polanya. Wave naik 1-2-3-4-5 dan turun a-b-c. Bila kemarin koreksi ke 1944 adalah merupakan wave a dilanjutkan dengan wave b, sekarang dimana wave c-nya sebelum pergerakannya menjadi impulse wave lagi. Jadwal IHSG bull nggak mesti hari ini atau besok kok karena kalau memang mau digerakkan gampang sekali kok untuk lari 200-500 point setelah terjadi koreksi karena beban menjadi lebih ringan On 4/23/07, Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sepertinya terlalu beresiko.. Jadwal IHSG untuk bull sudah tidak banyak lagi.. kalau sampai disisipi waktu buat turun bisa kehabisan waktu. Lagipula laporan keuangan 1Q sudah menanti untuk keluar.. beberapa udah dapat bocoran. Terlalu beresiko untuk ambil posisi SELL/SHORT... apalagi buat model junior seperti saya ha..ha.. On 4/22/07, Andri Wijaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dow jones + 150an and sudah break high. sekali ini ogut rekomend BUY saja terutama buat ANTM reward sangat besar hampir 70% base udah terbentuk hari kamis buat take off. BUY... BUY and NEVER SHORT I said this because Every body must be happy with my recommendation kalau bilang SHORT ntar ada yang bilang gue pingsan again regards On 4/22/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dari sisi TA, kemungkinan besar Selasa market akan koreksi lagi untuk membentuk wave c dari wave 4. Bila Senin naik, siap2 untuk ngeshort. Seorang senior TA juga confirm dan dia akan mulai scanning untuk SHORT di hari Selasa. Hati2 aja, besok level 2000 kalau tembusnya nggak kuat yah alamat turun lagi, target yah di bawah level kemarin. Silakan cek TA dari Elliot Wave kalau nggak percaya Regards, - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Selasa Koreksi
There MAY be a MILD to HEAVY correction in the first week of May... not because of chart reading nor speculation, but the fact is that some of big foreign hedge funds will have their maturity due (while intl bonds issues in South Korea and Hong Kong are on, so fund swicthing would be) BUT, Hopefully this would be just a theoritical 'PULL BACK on chart reading Anyway, I always feel that short trade isn't an unfair game and too speculative...but, any investment decision is on your call... Meanwhile, a minor correction on Wednesday or Thursday would take place but, won't necessarily hurt long term invetment management... disclaimer is heavily on... GBU, cheers Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CMIIW... kita diskusi aja.. ilmu EW saya umurnya masih 2 bulan .. so.. kemungkinan besar salah. saya rasa corection wave 4 a-b-c sudah terjadi di hari kamis minggu lalu.. sekaligus dalam 1 hari. Lalu soal wave b.. apakah boleh wave b bikin new high.. koreksi kog new high. Saya sih sependapat bahwa koreksi dalam sedang menanti IHSG.. tapi saya yakin bukan minggu ini.. sampai akhir bulan April saya lihat bull all the way On 4/23/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya nggak coba ngomporin tapi dari teori Elwave, setiap kenaikan dan keturunan ada polanya. Wave naik 1-2-3-4-5 dan turun a-b-c. Bila kemarin koreksi ke 1944 adalah merupakan wave a dilanjutkan dengan wave b, sekarang dimana wave c-nya sebelum pergerakannya menjadi impulse wave lagi. Jadwal IHSG bull nggak mesti hari ini atau besok kok karena kalau memang mau digerakkan gampang sekali kok untuk lari 200-500 point setelah terjadi koreksi karena beban menjadi lebih ringan On 4/23/07, Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sepertinya terlalu beresiko.. Jadwal IHSG untuk bull sudah tidak banyak lagi.. kalau sampai disisipi waktu buat turun bisa kehabisan waktu. Lagipula laporan keuangan 1Q sudah menanti untuk keluar.. beberapa udah dapat bocoran. Terlalu beresiko untuk ambil posisi SELL/SHORT... apalagi buat model junior seperti saya ha..ha.. On 4/22/07, Andri Wijaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dow jones + 150an and sudah break high. sekali ini ogut rekomend BUY saja terutama buat ANTM reward sangat besar hampir 70% base udah terbentuk hari kamis buat take off. BUY... BUY and NEVER SHORT I said this because Every body must be happy with my recommendation kalau bilang SHORT ntar ada yang bilang gue pingsan again regards On 4/22/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dari sisi TA, kemungkinan besar Selasa market akan koreksi lagi untuk membentuk wave c dari wave 4. Bila Senin naik, siap2 untuk ngeshort. Seorang senior TA juga confirm dan dia akan mulai scanning untuk SHORT di hari Selasa. Hati2 aja, besok level 2000 kalau tembusnya nggak kuat yah alamat turun lagi, target yah di bawah level kemarin. Silakan cek TA dari Elliot Wave kalau nggak percaya Regards, - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Ada apa dg INCO ?? FRIDAY the 13th
I am always with you Pak Sudes. nice one... Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:maaf sebelumnya, tapi koq percaya sama tanggalan 13 yah? kaya menghitung periode for women, itu aja tanggalnya suka berubah-ubah... memangnya tanggal itu menentukan hidup kita? it is JUST A NUMBER! NOTHING MORE! and i believe to GOD ONLY! God bless you all! ^^ -Original Message- From: boyz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 April 2007 17:35 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Ada apa dg INCO ?? FRIDAY the 13th hehehe ... besok bukannya tanggal 20 ? CMIIW hehehe friday the 13th tuh jum'at kemarin dan ternyata gak ada apa2 kok. hanya mitos aja kok. Teddy Halim wrote: Weleh weleh koq bisa balik ke Jumat tgl 13 Mr Boen? Besok mah udah tgl 25 April .. wake up sir it is just a nightmare dream.. Have a great Friday the morrow. th yang punya TINS and ANTM mulai pusing pusing dan kalau gak cepat cut loss mungkin mulai mencret mencret . Kalau tetap maksain market mungkin besok pingsan beneran ..muntah darah hehehe remember,.. tomorrow is friday the 13th ( bad dreams ) ada yang bisa nolongin gak !! mr.boen - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] draft indonesian mining law not pro-investor
This is just an fyi, the first reg on your list should be considered positive it will force all mining companies to also have refineries so that in the end they can export REFINED metals which are more expensive that the ores... The second, as i involved directly, many foreign companies oppose to the proposal. And..as usual, if foreign companies are opposant, the indon government will likely not plan to change any of the existing regulation. the third, will relate with the government's plan to set up a mining holding ANTAM may necome the surviving or on the other way around... hope the above helps.. Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diskusi IMA dengan directorate general pertambangan di metro TV tadi malam tersirat bahwa dalam draft undang-undang pertambangan yang baru akan diatur: 1. ekspor bijih tidak diperkenankan lagi, padahal rata2 perusahaan tambang di Indonesia mengekspor bijih. 2. tidak terdapat kepastian hukum karena menurut beliau kontrak karya tidak akan ada lagi dalam UU pertambangan yang baru. 3. akan dibentuk suatu badan hukum di luar pemerintah yang berurusan mengenai pertambangan dengan para opeator tambang. What do you think about this, I concern a lot about this new development, maybe the others also. That's why I see selling force on mining sector is increasing. Just beware of topping of the price of mining sector. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG on reversal ???
FYI, TINS To Pay IDR207/Share Dividend Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:he.he.. waduh koq banyak andai-andainya... Btw... one thing for sure.. Dow will open lower However... Will down close in red .. or will it make another hammer ?? ha.h.a... still 18 hours to go ha.h...ha On 4/17/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bila malam ini Dow Jones koreksi diikuti regional, apakah JSX akan bertahan??? Apakah saham2 berikut juga akan bertahan: ANTM, TINS, INCO, TLKM, BBCA, BBRI, UNTR, BNGA, BMRI? Hati2 saja karena market sedang membuat market top dengan membuat semua orang percaya bahwa indeks akan segera ke 2000. Kecuali kalau ada yang berani mengatakan bahwa Dow Jones, Hang Seng dan Nikkei tidak mempengaruhi JSX. Regards, Arifin - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG on reversal ???
may 16 cum andreas vindyartono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kum datenya kapan ? - Original Message From: Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:54:35 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG on reversal ??? FYI, TINS To Pay IDR207/Share Dividend Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: he.he.. waduh koq banyak andai-andainya. .. Btw... one thing for sure.. Dow will open lower However... Will down close in red .. or will it make another hammer ?? ha.h.a... still 18 hours to go ha.h...ha... . On 4/17/07, James Arifin james.arifin@ gmail.com wrote: Bila malam ini Dow Jones koreksi diikuti regional, apakah JSX akan bertahan??? Apakah saham2 berikut juga akan bertahan: ANTM, TINS, INCO, TLKM, BBCA, BBRI, UNTR, BNGA, BMRI? Hati2 saja karena market sedang membuat market top dengan membuat semua orang percaya bahwa indeks akan segera ke 2000. Kecuali kalau ada yang berani mengatakan bahwa Dow Jones, Hang Seng dan Nikkei tidak mempengaruhi JSX. Regards, Arifin - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: Fair Value IDR 1480 ?...Re: [obrolan-bandar] news on UNSP
hard to say...but tunas baru looks more promising (than unsp) due to its laggard and cheap status (on PBV)... Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming yield 5%, so Fair Value will be IDR 1480. I believe UNSP deserve to have it, considering bright future growth. Any comment ? budi suryono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bakrie Sumatera's Revenue to Rise at Least 35%, President Says 2007-04-17 01:44 (New York) By Leony Aurora April 17 (Bloomberg) -- PT Bakrie Sumatera Plantations, Indonesia's third-largest plantation company, said that revenue will rise at least 35 percent this year on high palm oil and rubber prices. Sales last year were 1.18 trillion rupiah ($130 million), Ambono Janurianto, president director at Bakrie Sumatera, said in Jakarta today. Revenue in the first quarter rose by more than 20 percent, he said, without elaborating. Bakrie Sumatera plans to pay as much as 20 percent of last year's profit as dividends to shareholders, Janurianto said. Net income last year was 173 billion rupiah, or 74 rupiah a share, the company said on March 30. Bakrie Sumatera will spend 600 billion rupiah this year, mostly to add new palm oil plantations, Janurianto said. --With reporting by Woro Widya Utami in Jakarta. Editor: Killen - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA
I am with you pak lee..
Lee Cwan Yeuw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
please short. Mr Bear
The Real Short Seller have big money as guarantee
How about you ?
bear likes russian rollet
Bull likes American Dream
Different with me, I buy prospect, 'cause I don't have resources in my
country.
See, april - a years ago.
I wait your short.
once again - please short.
- Original Message
From: mr.bearish_forever [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 13 April 2007 4:20:27PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA
Aiyoo
Masa sih ke Tujuh ribu?? Mendingan masuk BUMI denk, asetnya kan lebih
gede daripada Petak Baru..
Short Baby ! Short!
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Lee Cwan Yeuw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Jammin...
You bought PTBA yesterday
Don't sell today or you will buy after the price = UNTR.
- Original Message
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, 13 April 2007 10:59:39AM
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] PTBA
Thanks a lot Mr. Lee
jm
- Original Message -
From:
Lee Cwan
Yeuw
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007
15:41
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] PTBA
PTBA
needs foreign players
you can collect PTBA
Some of my friend
collect too
wait until the real - big- foreigners come.
I
believe ... they will come...
I am an investor, not speculator
be patience
.
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BEJ Larang Danatama Lakukan Aktivitas Perdagangan
whooop. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehheeh ... khan sudah cepat dicover .. jadi pengalaman yang manis ... hheehehe ... sekarang LONG position lagi .. jadi tetap untung khan On 4/16/07, PETTER TAULAN PINULUNG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nge Short ANTM yah? hahahahahaÂ…. The War on Friday 13Th April 07 would never be forgottenÂ….. - From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of James Arifin Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:37 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BEJ Larang Danatama Lakukan Aktivitas Perdagangan yang transaksi ngeshort di broker ini sekarang lagi keringatan ... harga sudah turun tapi nggak dikasih kesempatan beli ... sekarang harga mau balik untuk lari ke 25000 ... BUY!!! terus sampai target tercapai. Jangan sampai ketinggalan kereta, muatan sudah penuh. On 4/13/07, Eddy S. Purnomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apakah ini salah satu sekuritas yang membolehkan ngeshort sampe 1 bln? - Original Message - From: James Arifin To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BEJ Larang Danatama Lakukan Aktivitas Perdagangan This is what I am afraid of. On 4/12/07, komaru muchtar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BEJ Larang Danatama Lakukan Aktivitas Perdagangan JAKARTA (SINDO)- Bursa Efek Jakarta (BEJ) melarang PT Danatama Makmur melakukan aktivitas perdagangan di BEJ sejak kemarin, 12 April 2007. Pasalnya BEJ menilai Danatama tidak melakukan prinsip tata kelola perusahaan dengan baik. Terhitung sejak tanggal 12 April 2007, tidak diperkenankan melakukan aktivitas perdagangan di bursa sampai pengumuman lebih lanjut, terang Kadiv Keanggotaan BEJ, Bambang Widodo, di Jakarta, kemarin. Bambang mengatakan, sanksi tersebut disebabkan karena Danatama tidak melakukan pencatatan secara benar atas transaksi jual maupun beli dan penyetoran atau penarikan efek untuk kepentingan nasabah. Selain itu perusahaan tidak melakukan pengelolaan perusahaan secara baik, ujarnya. Sementara itu Direktur Pemeriksaan BEJ Justitia Tripurwasani mengatakan dilarangnya Danatama untuk beraktivitas dikarenakan hasil audit operasional yang dilakukan BEJ, menemunkan good corporate governance (GCG) yang dilakukan oleh Danatama tidak baik. Selain itu BEJ juga menemukan adanya rangkap jabatan yang dilakukan oleh direksi Danatama di perusahaan efek lain. Menurutnya hal ini bertentangan dengan aturan Badan Pengawas Pasar Modal dan Lembaga Keuangan. Akibat hal-hal yang kita temukan, maka kita memutuskan untuk melarang Danatama melakukan aktivitas perdagangan, ujar ketika dihubungi wartawan di Jakarta, kemarin. Mengenai adanya unsur merugikan nasabah, Justitia belum bisa berbicara jauh, hal itu katanya perlu pendalaman lebih lanjut. Namun, kalau ada nasabah yang merasa dirugikan oleh Danatama, maka BEJ siap menindaklanjutinya. Apakah merugikan nasabah atau tidak, tergantung nasabahnya, kalau ada pengaduan, tentu kita akan tindak lanjuti, tambahnya. Justitia menjelaskan pelarangan aktivitas perdagangan terhadap Danatama akan terus berlangsung sampai Danatama memenuhi persyaratan yang diminta oleh BEJ. Kalau mereka sudah mematuhi aturan yang ada di pasar modal, tentu kita akan cabut larangan tersebut, ujar dia. Menurut Justitia ditemukannya pelanggaran yang dilakukan oleh Danatama berawal dari audit operasional yang dilakukan oleh BEJ kepada broker-broker. Sebenarnya tidak ada audit khusus, audit ini biasa kita lakukan ke broker-broker setiap harinya, tambah dia, Justitia mengatakan audit ini akan terus dilakukan BEJ untuk melindungi kepentingan nasabah yang bertransaksi. Saat ini nilai transaksi di BEJ cukup besar, harapan kita nasabah tidak ada yang dirugikan. Untuk itu perlu pengawasan intensif, jelasnya. Sementara itu saat dikonfirmasi, Senior Manager PT Danatama Makmur, Vicky Ganda Saputra belum bersedia memberikan komentarnya. Kami belum tahu itu, nanti saya cek lagi, karena saya tidak mengurusi bidang perdagangan, katanya. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com - -BCA SCM- - -BCA SCM- - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] WAR of LORDS........Re: BLUECHIPS DOWN - SECONDLINER UP (Yin Yang)
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Short Sell
nice one vic.. hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehethis milist is getting funier and absurd.. Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hahahahahahahahahhahah ikan cere mau ngelawan ikan paus hahahah kalo jualan barang sendiri itu bukan ngeshort donk, itu tp. namanya juga short sell, jualan kagak punya barang. banyak yg omdo ngeshort hahahaha --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rudi Har [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/11/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kebanyakan orang berharap bisa belajar short sell dengan barang orang, untuk latihan saya sarankan latihan dulu short sell dengan barang sendiri, kemudian setelah emosi dan mental anda stabil baru cari sekuritas yang bisa short sell untuk short term (1 minggu s/d 1 bulan). Jangan terlalu buru2 pak belajarnya ... ANTM harusnya bisa dishort sell di level +/- 15500. Kalau level ini ditembus juga ... hehehhe ... gue ngaku Bozz benar2 hebat dan berani ... salut untuk anda Sadis nih ANTM, 15500 nya udah tembus tuh pak, barusan sempat 15950, gile-gile...ngeri ngeshort kalo gini, bisa cut loss mulu jadinya - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Short Sell
it's wrong answerthe nature of the question is how can u short something for one month? come on...don't get it too personalif you can inform us the best broking that can give us one month...i think even lehman in the u.s. will become your customer. cheers James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalau bagian ini kasih ke boss VIC ama pemain besar aja .. hehehh .. pemain kroco seperti saya minggir aja ... hehehe .. Bozz memang hebat berani lewati perbatasan, sayang kehabisan amunisi ... vic ama pemain besar harusnya bisa nolongin biar tutupnya di atas 15500 -15700 biar level berikutnya ke 16900 On 4/11/07, Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jadi kapan nih rekomend BUY nya, saya tunggu lho.. heheee On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:06:38 +0700, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sekarang apakah ada yang berani rekomend BUY untuk ANTM di level sekarang? Kalau ada, memang Yahoo! Groups Links - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Short Sell
hahahahahahahahahahathanks pak.. Eddy S. Purnomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boleh donk ! Why not ? kalau yang di short barang sendiri, cover shortnya dua tahun lagi juga boleh, tidak di cover/buyback juga boleh. You should try that Mr. FS, short barang sendiri hue..he..he...he - Original Message - From: Frederick Schubert To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Short Sell it's wrong answerthe nature of the question is how can u short something for one month? come on...don't get it too personalif you can inform us the best broking that can give us one month...i think even lehman in the u.s. will become your customer. cheers James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalau bagian ini kasih ke boss VIC ama pemain besar aja .. hehehh .. pemain kroco seperti saya minggir aja ... hehehe .. Bozz memang hebat berani lewati perbatasan, sayang kehabisan amunisi ... vic ama pemain besar harusnya bisa nolongin biar tutupnya di atas 15500 -15700 biar level berikutnya ke 16900 On 4/11/07, Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jadi kapan nih rekomend BUY nya, saya tunggu lho.. heheee On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:06:38 +0700, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sekarang apakah ada yang berani rekomend BUY untuk ANTM di level sekarang? Kalau ada, memang Yahoo! Groups Links - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Mr Fs tidak pelit :(
thanks meif... i tried to limit my opinion as i see that all members of the milist are smarter my question was really simple and i don't mean to criticise any...I jut wonder WHAT securities company that can give a one-month short facilitythose who know its can inform me via my private email... anyway, i do apologize if any of my word caused inconvenience best meif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Setau saya, Mr FS dulu sering memberikan saran saham kok, contoh yang paling saya ingat ialah BNGA dulu sekali ketika masih di 500an sebelum terbang ke 1000an. Jadi ingat dulu untung banyak banget dari saran Mr Fs, thanx so much for Mr FS =) sementara inputan secara umum, diberikan juga kok, masak lupa sih ??? (sayang saya sudah hapus file email per bulan) beliau kan sering kasih input tentang arah indek saham. Ketika indek drop sekitar awal february lalu, beliau kasih petunjuk kok, saya ingat sekali, karena saya tenang2 aja ketika banyak saham saya drop, ya salah satunya karena email MR Fsyang menguatkan saya kalo indek bakalan pulih, dan terbukti sekarang indek sudah 1930an banyak deh inputan nya beliau yang nurut saya sangat make sense banget Yang pasti saya sangat respect banget sama MR Fs Jadi please, Mr Fs itu tidak pelit, mungkin nggak teliti aja bacanya, banyak banget kok email2 petunjuknya jika cermat membacanya ^^ Thx to all Meif (^0^)v - Original Message - From: Mr. Boen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Short Sell My opinion ( tanpa bermaksud berpihak sama sekali ) hanya supaya seimbang aja hehehe ... Banyak kritikus yang pura - pura pemain besar but nothing at allhehehehe .. cuma bisa kritik tapi tidak pernah memberikan pengetahuan di milis ini giliran ada yang memberikan ilmu / pengetahuan langsung bisanya kritik .. Iri kali yach ? apa pernah Mr. FS memberikan input atau saran di milis ini ?? jangan - jangan cuma Om Do :)) ya nama nya milis ya semua orang berhak memberikan saran dan input. mau diterima atau gak ya terserah masing masing, analisa masing masing dong !! kalau saya sih yang penting ada pengetahuan yang dishare kan ..,, jangan pelit kyk Mr. FS Ayo Mr. FS mana kemampuan dan analisis anda , kok tidak pernah ditulis ? mr.boen On 4/11/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Short Sell
just gimme the name of broking companies that can facilitate a one-month short sell desperately curioushehehehe James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hhehehe ... absolutely agreed but if you believe wave counting then there is time for correction and do you want to dive with the correction wave or do you want to ride it? It's your choice On 4/10/07, Mr. T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just remember: Bulls make money, Bears make money, Pigs just get slaughtered another one: Never short sell on valuations!! Do not short sell just because you think the price of such a security is too high, based on valuation. Stocks that are expensive tends to get more expensive, some investment manager somewhere is just gonna crush you with their buying, so you would never have time to buy back in cheaper. - Jim Cramer Real Money example: TINS.JK hadizhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terima kasih untuk rekomendasi short selling yang disampaikan pak James. Kalau saja banyak dari kita-kita ini bisa menjalankan rekomendasi tersebut dalam prakteknya. Namun apa daya, fasilitas untuk short selling tak punya. Yang menjadi kendala bagi sebagian kita-kita ini (saya :-)adalah bagaimana menemukan sekuritas yang memberikan fasilitas short selling, bisa seminggu saja sudah cukup, apalagi yang bisa satu bulan. Adakah syarat-syarat tertentu, misalnya besar permodalan, kedekatan hubungan (dengan sekuritas), dll agar bisa mendapat fasilitas short selling. Kalau sekiranya berkenan, bolehlah kiranya pak James atau para sesepuh lainnya memberikan petunjuk sekuritas mana yang memberi fasilitas short selling, serta persyaratannya apa saja, Apakah ada sekuritas online seperti etrading dll yang memberikan fasilitas short selling ini. Dengan adanya informasi ini, harapannya adalah kita-kita tidak sekedar melongo mendengar anjuran pak James, melainkan bisa ikut nyemplung berenang bersama pak James. Terima kasih untuk petunjuknya sekecil apapun petunjuk itu. Hadi --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com , balifade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---saya tidak jarang short pagi, menjelang siang harga dah turun dikit tapi jelang penutupan harga naik tinggi, terpaksa deh bb eh besok paginya hrga turun banyak. kalo short bisa 1 bln asik bgt tuh, gimana bung james dan sesepuh2 bagi ilmunya dong.thx In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Susanto Winarto susanto_winarto@ wrote: Pak James, Short sell itu, menurut saya lebih beasr untung2an-nya dibanding analisanya kali yah? Kadang harga sudah terlalu tinggi, tapi tetep aja naik terus Kadang udah naik, sorenya jadi minus... Mohon pencerahannya pak... Thanks. - Original Message - From: Mr. Boen To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Short Sell berat dech bang rasanya ... any way, saya kayaknya mesti banyak belajar dulu nih . On 4/9/07, James Arifin james.arifin@ wrote: Rekomendasi saya bisa saja salah, contohnya ANTM hari ini balik dan harusnya siapa saja yang short sell di bawah 14000 harus pasang cut loss di 14050-14100, sehingga implikasi dari berbaliknya market dari analisa TA tetap terantisipasi. Next level untuk short ANTM di 15500 kalau tercapai, silakan test short sell lagi tapi ingat stop loss dan don't be greedy kalau sudah turun jangan ingin untung gede2 karena market overall masih bullish dan short sell saat ini hanya untuk mengikuti pergerakan market saja ... Semoga bermanfaat. On 4/9/07, Bambang S bangsur@ wrote: saya sudah coba cuma 2 lot seh di tins jual kamis kemarin di 12 850 td pagi beli lagi 12350 mayan kan...buat coba2 aja ko --- Giri giriacckl@ wrote: Memang sih bebas dan suka2. Short sell di saat pasar bullish ini beresiko sangat tinggi kecuali ilmunya sudah tinggi. Dan untuk bulan April ini, LKQ1 07 akan keluar. IHSG baru break new high. Bila ada yang berani short sell, silahkan saja... Selamat mencoba, semoga Oentung peace - Original Message - From: Johand Dimalouw To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Short Sell Bebas, suka-suka. Tiada yang punya kuasa untuk larang khan. JD - Original Message From: Giri giriacckl@ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 9:07:10 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Short Sell saya juga geleng2 kepala aja... jadi tripping :D - Original Message - From: James Arifin To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Short Sell khan short sell bisa satu bulan .. kalau satu hari mah cuma jualan nyawa ... ini rekomendasi buat 1-5
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Short Sell
one-month short sell? hehehehe you must have a very strong relationship with pak lms with patalian water cheers James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: khan short sell bisa satu bulan .. kalau satu hari mah cuma jualan nyawa ... ini rekomendasi buat 1-5 hari doang ... rekomendasi buy sudah banyak ... jadi yah saya kasih rekomendasi short sell aja tapi short term ... ingat tetap pakai cut loss ... On 4/6/07, Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buset... lagi nge bull gini pikir nge-short. Danger oei... ngelawan arus.. apalagi rata-rata BC semua. Kalau saya sih lebih suka duduk manis sambil tunggu reversal. Sama seperti menangkap pisau jatuh... nge short saat BULL sama saja dengan menahan banteng lari. Nekad.. salah-salah kena denda gara-gara ngak bisa setor barang On 4/5/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beberapa saham menjadi potensi short sell: BBCA BBRI UNTR ANTM INCO TINS TLKM BNGA BDMN ISAT PGAS happy cuan ... please do not to greedy yah. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Bank Indonesia Keeps Interest Rate Unchanged At 9.00%
well. the main index trend line is still heading to 1940-1960... a minor pull back should not necessarily drive it back to 1700come on safe trade... edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soalnya, Ada kemungkinan bulan bulan berikutnya bunga malah Naik.. krn kenaikan harga BBM industri. Kalo BI PD, ya cut donk, at least 0.125% . ga usah 0.25% Ini malah di HOLD.. Boss uda kabur dari kemarin..? Kan embah warning 1930 highest.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, gitto kurniasanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lho pak koq SELL ON NEWS ?? nanti kalo dah ijo2 lagi pada bingung..minta diguyur^^... duuuh si boss lagi baik hati sebaiknya kita MANFAATKAN dengan baik... salam hangat, gitto kurniasanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SELL on NEWS No Catalyst, Bad Sentiment.. BI ga PD keliatannya, LOCK PROFIT! Indeks mudah mudahan anjlok lagi ke level 1700 an --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, ihsg 88 ihsg88@ wrote: Awas panic selling!! On 4/5/07, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: -- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail% 0A with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mai l%0A - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Bank Indonesia Keeps Interest Rate Unchanged At 9.00%
hehehe...funny. James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nggak mudeng ... maksudnya anda sangat yakin bahwa indeks akan ke 700 lagi ... com'on wake up man On 4/5/07, mr.bearish_forever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear brother, koq you percaya kalo index will touch range 1950 or even 2000? is there any chart heading to that line? do you believe index will follow chart line or it should follow its own fundamental? fundamental wise said that almost all blue chips stocks have almost reach its 12 month target price, which rom now is considerably 8 months left to go.Can you predict the rest of 8 month? If you happy with 5% discount to its TP or 5% discount over 2000 JSX target (which is current index level) then SELL YOUR PORTFOLIO, move it into other safer investment, wait for deep correction, like 1820? good CALL. -- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com , James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no much upside tough .. 60 point is very limited cause with TLKM and BMRI ... it could hike up IHSG to chase that target ... better to drop it first to 1820 ... and give upside of 140 point On 4/5/07, mr.bearish_forever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHATEVER YOU SAY, SELL AND MAKE PROFIT. Recent stock gains is considerably to fast compared to major regional indexes, while JSX is only small cap compared to MSCI global index. Thus, once hedge funds have filled their investment allocations (which is small!), they won't add and wait until the time to exit. So far, infow foreign funds have reach over 1 trillion net buying. So, any catalyst to drive it up WATCHOU Bro. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well. the main index trend line is still heading to 1940- 1960... a minor pull back should not necessarily drive it back to 1700come on safe trade... edy1276 edy1276@ wrote: Soalnya, Ada kemungkinan bulan bulan berikutnya bunga malah Naik.. krn kenaikan harga BBM industri. Kalo BI PD, ya cut donk, at least 0.125% . ga usah 0.25% Ini malah di HOLD.. Boss uda kabur dari kemarin..? Kan embah warning 1930 highest.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, gitto kurniasanto gittokurniasanto@ wrote: lho pak koq SELL ON NEWS ?? nanti kalo dah ijo2 lagi pada bingung..minta diguyur^^... duuuh si boss lagi baik hati sebaiknya kita MANFAATKAN dengan baik... salam hangat, gitto kurniasanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SELL on NEWS No Catalyst, Bad Sentiment.. BI ga PD keliatannya, LOCK PROFIT! Indeks mudah mudahan anjlok lagi ke level 1700 an --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, ihsg 88 ihsg88@ wrote: Awas panic selling!! On 4/5/07, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: -- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail% http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail%25 0A with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mai l%0A - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ihsg di akhir pekan
You mean Bank Indonesia Rate to 8.75%..rite? vs 9% at present everything looks good, but price correction is (always) seen imminent index tracking up to 1960, but it could be bouncing back to 1890...in a short term trade... so, safe trade... Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: spt nya ihsg masih akan naik walau rawan profit taking krn sentimen long weekend BI jg diprediksi cut rates menjadi 9% TLK di ny naik setara +/- 200 di 10400 nickel 3M new high, tin 3M menyusul http://semprametals.com/Commodities.asp SN 3M $14100 $14300 NI 3M $49200 $49700 trader pasti udah ejakulasi dini krn jualan, investor masi kuat2an pegang barang.. hehee Yahoo! Groups Links - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM - INCO - ML
I am with you pak sudes It has been since the past two years that ML has issued researches that are doubtful and against logical senses and above allit is all about ethicsand MORAL(less) best Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Menyambung pembahasan riset ml tentang ANTM dan INCO, Saya rasa tidak ada hal yang terlalu istimewa dari isi riset tsb, mereka juga melihat dari dua sisi, sehingga terkesan tidak konsisten. Secara garis besar anggapan harga ANTM sudah terlalu mahal didasarkan dari asumsi-asumsi, yang intinya ·(hal.9) bahwa ml global melihat harga komonditi metal bergerak cukup fluktuatif sehinhha ada potensi turun. Sehingga mereka EXPECT para hedge fun mau melakukan short selling di nickel juga (Pertanyaan kita apa ada yang nekat? Kan ini baru expect) ·(hal.3) mengenai sumber bijih besi ANTM juga dari INCO, ini merupakan bagian dari kontrak karya (mungkin penulis belum paham benar regulasi pertambangan di Indo) Ada beberapa kejanggalan juga pada: ·Point intinya tulisan itu menyoroti potensi turunnya harga nikel sehingga berimbas pada revenue ANTM, tapi kok merekomendasikan INCO ?? BIG ? ( mungkin sudah beli INCO dan ketinggalan ANTM, he he) ·(Hal.9) ada tulisan yang meyakini longterm nickel masih bullish [We remain bullish on the longer term prospect of nickel .] ·(hal.11) masih meyakini akan terjadi deficits di pasar nickel sampai 5 tahun ke depan ·(hal 12) Saya meyakini stock eropa à tidak akan mampu menyuplai setengah saja dari demand China dan India. Next half, permintaan nickel akan diikuti oleh Rusia dan Jepang. Apalagi eropa tidak memiliki resources nickel yang besar, cuman Canada saja yang punya cukup lumayan. ·Kalau ada yang mengikuti berita kemarin, China sudah langsung short cut ke sources ausie. ·(Hal.1) EPS 2007 ANTM ditulis = 1669. mau P?E berapa ? hitung sendiri saja pantasnya harga berapa ? ·Juga bedah hal.2 lihat berapa Net Incomenya, aset growth nya ? ·Juga lihat hal.8 berapa growth ANTM vs. INCO ? Tentu dari bedah ini kalian tahu apa yang layak dilakukan. Kesempatan ??!! Good Luck, NB: Kita punya data project Nickel yang besar seluruh dunia s/d 2012. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM - INCO - ML
I am with you pak sudes It has been since the past two years that ML has issued researches that are doubtful and against logical senses and above allit is all about ethicsand MORAL(less) best Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Menyambung pembahasan riset ml tentang ANTM dan INCO, Saya rasa tidak ada hal yang terlalu istimewa dari isi riset tsb, mereka juga melihat dari dua sisi, sehingga terkesan tidak konsisten. Secara garis besar anggapan harga ANTM sudah terlalu mahal didasarkan dari asumsi-asumsi, yang intinya ·(hal.9) bahwa ml global melihat harga komonditi metal bergerak cukup fluktuatif sehinhha ada potensi turun. Sehingga mereka EXPECT para hedge fun mau melakukan short selling di nickel juga (Pertanyaan kita apa ada yang nekat? Kan ini baru expect) ·(hal.3) mengenai sumber bijih besi ANTM juga dari INCO, ini merupakan bagian dari kontrak karya (mungkin penulis belum paham benar regulasi pertambangan di Indo) Ada beberapa kejanggalan juga pada: ·Point intinya tulisan itu menyoroti potensi turunnya harga nikel sehingga berimbas pada revenue ANTM, tapi kok merekomendasikan INCO ?? BIG ? ( mungkin sudah beli INCO dan ketinggalan ANTM, he he) ·(Hal.9) ada tulisan yang meyakini longterm nickel masih bullish [We remain bullish on the longer term prospect of nickel .] ·(hal.11) masih meyakini akan terjadi deficits di pasar nickel sampai 5 tahun ke depan ·(hal 12) Saya meyakini stock eropa à tidak akan mampu menyuplai setengah saja dari demand China dan India. Next half, permintaan nickel akan diikuti oleh Rusia dan Jepang. Apalagi eropa tidak memiliki resources nickel yang besar, cuman Canada saja yang punya cukup lumayan. ·Kalau ada yang mengikuti berita kemarin, China sudah langsung short cut ke sources ausie. ·(Hal.1) EPS 2007 ANTM ditulis = 1669. mau P?E berapa ? hitung sendiri saja pantasnya harga berapa ? ·Juga bedah hal.2 lihat berapa Net Incomenya, aset growth nya ? ·Juga lihat hal.8 berapa growth ANTM vs. INCO ? Tentu dari bedah ini kalian tahu apa yang layak dilakukan. Kesempatan ??!! Good Luck, NB: Kita punya data project Nickel yang besar seluruh dunia s/d 2012. - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG koreksi 1% besok
nggak marah pak...cuma ngasih saran...kalau index ke 300 kan asyiiik...bisa belanja banyakbanyaak. ya gak...? Jimmy Gunawan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gak perlu marah2 pak... kalo index balik ke 1700, bukan tidak mungkin TINS dan ANTM balik ke 10,000. everything is possible nowadays. JG - Original Message - From: laksono dwighty To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG koreksi 1% besok kebanyakan ngaranggimana kalau indeks diturunin ke 300 aja bu..? fyi, laba bersih timah tahun 2006 naik 87% jadi rp200 milyar vs 107 milyar di tahun 2005. 2007, Timah bilang laba bersih mo naik jadi 400 milyar Andri Wijaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nggak nyame 1rb saja biar enak kalau belanjanya he, lihat dulu 1800 tembus nggak On 3/28/07, Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Setelah saya lihat lagi TA dan mempertimbangkan fundamental dan regional, saya setuju dengan Bapak. Mayoritas saham juga sudah mencapai target price nya. Berdasarkan TA saya mempunyai pendapat sbb: JCI ST target: 1700 MT target: 1600 LT target: 1400 On 3/26/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besok IHSG bakal koreksi 1% tembusin level 1800 ... heheheh ... ANTM akan turun lagi setelah hari breakout sedangkan INCO akan turun lebih dalam lagi besok berdasarkan chart hari ini. Silakan tampungin kalau berani yah ... heheheh Regards, - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG koreksi 1% besok
nice tryhehehehehehe James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Besok IHSG bakal koreksi 1% tembusin level 1800 ... heheheh ... ANTM akan turun lagi setelah hari breakout sedangkan INCO akan turun lebih dalam lagi besok berdasarkan chart hari ini. Silakan tampungin kalau berani yah ... heheheh Regards, - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM
Good one pak sudes Anyway, how about if antam is corrected to (NOT NOT 8,500) but 1,000hehehehehe Deceived by chart is more painful than by the market it's just a joke...please ignore... cheers Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belum... nanti lihat kinerja kuartal ke 1 nya di tahun 2007 karena kuartal 1 tahun 2006 nya ANTM hanya dapat menghasilkan EPS berkisar IDR 75/saham nanti setelah laporan kuartal 1 tahun 2007 nya ANTM keluar, maka akan terjadi ketimpangan yang besar, dimana prediksi EPS dapat mencapai kisaran IDR 400-500/saham untuk kuartal 1 tahun 2007 jadi nanti headline berita di koran-koran akan lebih heboh dari sekarang... ^^ -Original Message- From: Danny Liza Lau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 Maret 2007 10:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM Kinerja ANTM berkilau (sumber : Indofinanz) http://www.indofinanz.com/v92/readnews2.inz?id=2007032636.htm - Original Message - From: Sudeswanto To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM sip! ^^ tolong titip salam ke bandar ANTM, tolong turunin yang bener dan dibawah 10rb yah? kalo bisa ke 8500, bakal tambah hepi ^^ hehehe God bless you! ^^ -Original Message- From: Gregorius Sihombing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 Maret 2007 18:43 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM Buat pencinta ANTM, ANTM kelihatannya sudah mencapai puncak wave 5 di 11600 Jumat kemarin. Sekarang sedang membentuk wave koreksi a-b-c. Ada beberapa kemungkinan yang bisa terjadi: 1. Harga koreksi akan sampai 8500 (retrace 61,8% dari awal wave 1). Ini pernah terjadi di periode bulan September 2006 - Januari 2007 yang harganya retrace sampai hampir 61,8% (harga 6600) dari harga tertingginya waktu itu 8450. 2. Harga koreksi akan sampai 8500. Ini juga terjadi di periode bulan Juni 2006 - September 2006 dimana harga koreksi wave c sama dengan harga awal wave 5. 3. Harga koreksi akan sampai 6600. Ini pernah terjadi pada periode bulan Februari 2006 - Juni 2006, dimana harga akhir wave c (3525) lebih rendah dibandingkan dengan harga awal wave 1 (3750). 4. Harga koreksi akan sampai 9100. Ini terjadi di periode bulan November 2005 - Februari 2006 yang harganya retrace sampai hampir 50% (harga 3750) dari harga tertingginya waktu itu 4900. Tapi menurut prediksi saya dengan melihat harga nikel yang masih tinggi saat ini, walaupun terkoreksi cukup dalam hari Jumat kemarin, dan kondisi regional yang kemungkinan masih bullish 1-2 bulan ini, koreksi harga ANTM hanya akan sampai 50,0% - 61,8% retrace atau di harga sekitar 9700 - 1. Wave a-b-c ini biasanya memakan waktu 1 bulanan kecuali yang pernah terjadi di bulan April - Juni 2006 sampai 1,5 bulan. Yang mau masuk jangka menengah atau panjang, lebih bijaksana tunggu sampai bulan depan. GS - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM
dont get it wrongantm will never go down below 10,500-10,600 I myself target antam to 15,000-16,000 in 4 months Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANTM goes to IDR 1.000? maybe Mr.Eka could answer that for you Mr.Frederick ^^ thank you -Original Message- From: Frederick Schubert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 Maret 2007 11:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM Good one pak sudes Anyway, how about if antam is corrected to (NOT NOT 8,500) but 1,000hehehehehe Deceived by chart is more painful than by the market it's just a joke...please ignore... cheers Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belum... nanti lihat kinerja kuartal ke 1 nya di tahun 2007 karena kuartal 1 tahun 2006 nya ANTM hanya dapat menghasilkan EPS berkisar IDR 75/saham nanti setelah laporan kuartal 1 tahun 2007 nya ANTM keluar, maka akan terjadi ketimpangan yang besar, dimana prediksi EPS dapat mencapai kisaran IDR 400-500/saham untuk kuartal 1 tahun 2007 jadi nanti headline berita di koran-koran akan lebih heboh dari sekarang... ^^ -Original Message- From: Danny Liza Lau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 Maret 2007 10:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM Kinerja ANTM berkilau (sumber : Indofinanz) http://www.indofinanz.com/v92/readnews2.inz?id=2007032636.htm - Original Message - From: Sudeswanto To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM sip! ^^ tolong titip salam ke bandar ANTM, tolong turunin yang bener dan dibawah 10rb yah? kalo bisa ke 8500, bakal tambah hepi ^^ hehehe God bless you! ^^ -Original Message- From: Gregorius Sihombing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 Maret 2007 18:43 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM Buat pencinta ANTM, ANTM kelihatannya sudah mencapai puncak wave 5 di 11600 Jumat kemarin. Sekarang sedang membentuk wave koreksi a-b-c. Ada beberapa kemungkinan yang bisa terjadi: 1. Harga koreksi akan sampai 8500 (retrace 61,8% dari awal wave 1). Ini pernah terjadi di periode bulan September 2006 - Januari 2007 yang harganya retrace sampai hampir 61,8% (harga 6600) dari harga tertingginya waktu itu 8450. 2. Harga koreksi akan sampai 8500. Ini juga terjadi di periode bulan Juni 2006 - September 2006 dimana harga koreksi wave c sama dengan harga awal wave 5. 3. Harga koreksi akan sampai 6600. Ini pernah terjadi pada periode bulan Februari 2006 - Juni 2006, dimana harga akhir wave c (3525) lebih rendah dibandingkan dengan harga awal wave 1 (3750). 4. Harga koreksi akan sampai 9100. Ini terjadi di periode bulan November 2005 - Februari 2006 yang harganya retrace sampai hampir 50% (harga 3750) dari harga tertingginya waktu itu 4900. Tapi menurut prediksi saya dengan melihat harga nikel yang masih tinggi saat ini, walaupun terkoreksi cukup dalam hari Jumat kemarin, dan kondisi regional yang kemungkinan masih bullish 1-2 bulan ini, koreksi harga ANTM hanya akan sampai 50,0% - 61,8% retrace atau di harga sekitar 9700 - 1. Wave a-b-c ini biasanya memakan waktu 1 bulanan kecuali yang pernah terjadi di bulan April - Juni 2006 sampai 1,5 bulan. Yang mau masuk jangka menengah atau panjang, lebih bijaksana tunggu sampai bulan depan. GS - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM
it's ok vib.. Santo Vibby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Sorry ... salah liat angka... hehehehe... apologize sir.. - Original Message - From: Santo Vibby To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM Rite now 11.38, ANTM @ 11.300 ??? 11.30010.500 sir... - Original Message - From: Frederick Schubert To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM dont get it wrongantm will never go down below 10,500-10,600 I myself target antam to 15,000-16,000 in 4 months . - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Tampung saja terus pantang mundur..
If dow falls LESS than 50 points...there shoud be a resurgence in Asian markets... lest's see Andri Wijaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kalau dari chart dow, malam ini dow kayaknya masih turun. ayoo tampung kalau berani On 3/14/07, Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tampung aja terus asal yakin embernya cukup besar.. kalo ga yakin lebih baik kabur dulu lagi, heh. Daripada ember jebol dan kita basah kuyup.. hehe.. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Tampung saja terus pantang mundur..
it is proven...now... subrpime lenders only contributes 6% to total US investment. Salute to one big global fund manager that sucessfully exagerated the effect to the US, rest of the world's economy... so, dow up...this also shows that dow doesnt work up with chart tlkm adrs up 2.2% all stocks on JSX should go up...HOPEFULLY 1800- only a matter of time...we don't need second quarter to make it happen... Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indikator YEN dan CHF sepertinya sudah menunjukan adanya pecerahan. Saya sendiri masih sideline sepanjang hari dan menukar beberapa saham MATI ke saham yang rally beberapa hari terakhir. Walaupun saya melihat kemungkinan rebound di akhir sesi.. saya masih malas beli saham... karena saya cuman melihat HOPE not POWER hmin masih menunggu final showdown BULL vs BEAR... moga-moga di 1600-an ...atau 1820 On 3/14/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If dow falls LESS than 50 points...there shoud be a resurgence in Asian markets... lest's see Andri Wijaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kalau dari chart dow, malam ini dow kayaknya masih turun. ayoo tampung kalau berani On 3/14/07, Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tampung aja terus asal yakin embernya cukup besar.. kalo ga yakin lebih baik kabur dulu lagi, heh. Daripada ember jebol dan kita basah kuyup.. hehe.. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] RUMUS SENEN-KEMIS
Unfortunately today, the stocks are going down1754-1756 support..? or 1766 first support cheers helmi setiawan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's another new tips Some people says that this cycle already research in 2005. ;)) Katanya sih gitu..:P POLA SENEN KEMIS ala BEJ Dengan asumsi saham yg sangat stabil bergerak di harga flat setiap bulannya, Harga tertinggi biasanya dicapai di hari kamis dan 10 menit di pembukaan awal sesi jum'at. Harga terendah biasanya dicapai diantara hari jum'at dan hari senin. Jadi dari phisicology manner ini bisa dicapai banyak kesimpulan antara lain: 1. Jika harga hari senin lebih tinggi dari harga tertinggi yg di capai pada hari rabu kamis dan awal sesi jumat, artinya bakal terjadi bulish trend jangka panjang, kecuali jika ada perlawanan baru. contoh ini terjadi di tins dan antm 2/3 bulan lalu 2. Jika hari kamis harga lebih rendah atau sama dengan harga hari jumat / senin artinya akan terjadi bearish trend, kecuali jika ada perlawanan susulan juga. contoh ini terjadi saat kejatuhan PTBA dan PGAS 3. jika hari kamis mendapatkan candlestik long red candlestik, harga akan drop kuat di hari berikutnya atau beberapa hari kemudian Untuk ini saya liat banyak sampelnya. Contoh pola senen kemis yg paling normal terjadi di TINS yg setiap jum'at nya selalu demam:P Dan byk hal lain yg bisa disimpulkan dan di ambil sisi keuntungannya, misal cara untuk main Swing yg berpedoman pada pola ini. Satu hal penyebab terjadinya pola ini. Dikarenakan jum'at merupakan hari profit taking dan disusul keraguan di hari senin, dan secara tidak sengaja pola ini berkembang secara teratur, dan ini lah penyebab prediksi japanis candlestik ngaco di hari senin dan jumat. Kesimpulan sederhana adalah Jadwal beli paling tepat untuk trading dalam mingguan adalah hari senin akhir sesi atau sesi pertama selasa. Jadwal jual barang paling baik adalah hari kamis atau jum'at pembukaan sesi Karena rata2 profit tertinggi bisa dicapai biasanya dari awal selasa sampai akhir sesi kamis atau opening sesi jum'at Jangan lupa Volume yg terlalu kecil berpengaruh lain pada pola ini. Thats all now, I give you my better trick tomorrow. Thanks. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: The BIG QUESTION : HOW'STOMORROW ?? Re: [obrolan-bandar] Today? hancur.
still bullish pak...subprime lenders its really typical U.S. problems. cheers Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Menurut ane, bukan memprediksi apakah sekarang merah ato ijo... 99,99% uda pasti merah. The BIG Question is : How about tomorrow ??? If tomorrow global is still RED, then FORGET ANY BULLISH IN SORT PERIOD . Suhu, Master, Experts, pls comment - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.
Re: The BIG QUESTION : HOW'STOMORROW ?? Re: [obrolan-bandar] Today? hancur.
i said this morning that the support level for today is at 1754 still, if there is no sign of recovery from the Asian markets, next support for tomorrow is at 1720-1740 (wide), but it could also be shifted to 1760-1766, on fund flow management purposes... and Friendly Reminder: CPI in U.S. will be anounced on Friday, while thanks giving is coming the following weeksanother long consolidation period is on so, stay alert (for short term traders/ionvestors) but is a gold mine for loing term investros cheers dazzledtrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is this the time for bargain hunting, Mr. FS? Any predictions of how the index will be tomorrow? Really expecting for your enlightening opinions. Thanks. Warm regards, -Darmawan --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: still bullish pak...subprime lenders its really typical U.S. problems. cheers Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Menurut ane, bukan memprediksi apakah sekarang merah ato ijo... 99,99% uda pasti merah. The BIG Question is : How about tomorrow ??? If tomorrow global is still RED, then FORGET ANY BULLISH IN SORT PERIOD . Suhu, Master, Experts, pls comment - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: The BIG QUESTION : HOW'STOMORROW ?? Re: [obrolan-bandar] Today? hancur.
sorry i mean GOOD FRIDAY on April 6. you are all so smart owe you all an apology Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanksgiving?... Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i said this morning that the support level for today is at 1754 still, if there is no sign of recovery from the Asian markets, next support for tomorrow is at 1720-1740 (wide), but it could also be shifted to 1760-1766, on fund flow management purposes... and Friendly Reminder: CPI in U.S. will be anounced on Friday, while thanks giving is coming the following weeksanother long consolidation period is on so, stay alert (for short term traders/ionvestors) but is a gold mine for loing term investros cheers dazzledtrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is this the time for bargain hunting, Mr. FS? Any predictions of how the index will be tomorrow? Really expecting for your enlightening opinions. Thanks. Warm regards, -Darmawan --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: still bullish pak...subprime lenders its really typical U.S. problems. cheers Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Menurut ane, bukan memprediksi apakah sekarang merah ato ijo... 99,99% uda pasti merah. The BIG Question is : How about tomorrow ??? If tomorrow global is still RED, then FORGET ANY BULLISH IN SORT PERIOD . Suhu, Master, Experts, pls comment - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Selective buying is seen..
a friendly reminder beware of swift profit taking tomorrow(thursday) disclaimer is fully on, thou Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selective buying is seen in the Jakarta today since yesterday. Plantation, mining and telecommunication stock is accumulated together with banks and infrastructure... - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Selective buying is seen..
well... It's just a friendly reminder.no vested interest at alland i just want to protect my retailer friends here(ugh...) any correction is still within trend in trend (based on mid term chart reading)...This means it should provide room (for long term investors) to collect shares at proper prices. This could also give you better investment yield. price correction WON'T be that deep Telkom? I still highly recommend it as buy at any level for mid to long term investment cheers Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ada yg cari barang murah.. muatan blm full.. hehee On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:37:14 +0700, boyz wrote: thanks for your alert. from your flow of fund view, is that foreign outflow? or just some kind portofolio switching? i hope it's not significant enough ... Yahoo! Groups Links - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] It may lead to a new bull rally
bravo salute to you deep respect... cheers Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just realized that the level has been reached in January.. I made mistakes. On 3/6/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i thought you are for 1610. Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Condusive environment on neighbouring country, in addition to internal factors such as lower SBI rate may spark a new bull rally. In technical minor support has been touched and market is now trying to find their resistance. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. - Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!
RE: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS jadi Roll Royce - New Target
swinger sell off...huh.? Gidion Simamora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya lagi tunggu nanti jam 15.30 para swinger akan buang amunisi di 8400Â… -Original Message- From: Jack Cowok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:39 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS jadi Roll Royce - New Target Sepertinya mustahil turun ke Rp.7400 pak. Waktu itu turun dikarenakan PANIC SELLING dan yang jual banyak cuma 1 bandar BESAR Bayangkan saja waktu sebelum itu, mau beli diharga Rp.10.000 susah setengah mati. Tunggu diatas Rp.11.000,- Gidion Simamora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PGAS mau ditunggu di harga berapa nih bos biar dapat Roll Royce? Apa bisa mampir lagi di 7400? -Original Message- From: Jack Cowok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:58 AM To: saham@yahoogroups.com Cc: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS jadi Roll Royce - New Target Berhubung PGAS belum bisa dijadikan MERCY, dan bandar semakin buang barang 2 hari ini, maka target berikutnya dinaikkan lagi Semakin murah harga saham, semakin tinggi prosentase keuntungan. So New Target - PGAS jadi ROLL ROYCE. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Mr FS....whr r u ?
it (recent correction) is still within what we call as a fair one(for long term investors), but kinda hell for my fellow short term investorshanging there return to 1,800..? why not James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Udah cuci gudang duluan ... On 3/5/07, Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any comment on this bloody market ? Where to be END ? - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.
RE: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS jadi Roll Royce - New Target
hohohohohoho.. u wish Gidion Simamora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya lagi tunggu nanti jam 15.30 para swinger akan buang amunisi di 8400Â… -Original Message- From: Jack Cowok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:39 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS jadi Roll Royce - New Target Sepertinya mustahil turun ke Rp.7400 pak. Waktu itu turun dikarenakan PANIC SELLING dan yang jual banyak cuma 1 bandar BESAR Bayangkan saja waktu sebelum itu, mau beli diharga Rp.10.000 susah setengah mati. Tunggu diatas Rp.11.000,- Gidion Simamora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PGAS mau ditunggu di harga berapa nih bos biar dapat Roll Royce? Apa bisa mampir lagi di 7400? -Original Message- From: Jack Cowok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:58 AM To: saham@yahoogroups.com Cc: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS jadi Roll Royce - New Target Berhubung PGAS belum bisa dijadikan MERCY, dan bandar semakin buang barang 2 hari ini, maka target berikutnya dinaikkan lagi Semakin murah harga saham, semakin tinggi prosentase keuntungan. So New Target - PGAS jadi ROLL ROYCE. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
[obrolan-bandar] BANK INDONESIA CUTS INTEREST RATE TO 9% FROM 9.25%
jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalo melihat pola Candlestick saat ini jam 11:46, maka terlihat pola PREGNANT BULL yg artinya bullish. Asal jangan KEGUGURAN aja.. hehehe... Pregant bull = bullish harami bukan ? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Gidion Simamora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ketangguhan para jagoan lokal sedang diuji. -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:58 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Index Regional ASIA rebound rata2 1% Regional masih ON IHSG lagi nyoba naek lagi, coba kita liat apa bisa BREAK 1720... --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Gidion Simamora sgidion@ wrote: Bandar coba ngangkat man. tapi kayaknya gak kuat dan akan turun lagi. -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:43 AM To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Index Regional ASIA rebound rata2 1% 9:39 IHSG +22 Anak baik, akur ama saudara, ENGGA MBALELO... --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consultant@ wrote: 9:08 WIB Index Regional ASIA rebound rata2 1% - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] It may lead to a new bull rally
i thought you are for 1610. Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Condusive environment on neighbouring country, in addition to internal factors such as lower SBI rate may spark a new bull rally. In technical minor support has been touched and market is now trying to find their resistance. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Next target: 1630
hehehehehehecome on..how about 700...? we are NOT in any kind of financial and economic crisis. I think jakarta is still resilientmain index may be closed today at 1709-1721 disclaimer is on Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-( - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kok sepi yaa...
hahahahahahahahaha..nice obs. jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Psikologi trader: - MENANG - gembira, ketawa ria, cerah, makan, shopping - KALAH - diam, murung, engga banyak ngomong - POSISI MENANG - Banyak nulis, posting NGOMPORIN - TAKUT KALAH/TURUN - muka tegang, sakit perut, gampamg marah, sembelit, maag, mencret-mencret jadi boro boro posting. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Duasatu DotCom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenapa nehhh kok sepi info..apa pada semedi..hehehe http://www.duasatu.com - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Dow Finishes Down 416 at 12,216, Nasdaq Finishes Down 97 at 2,408 on Global Market Plunge
HURRRAAAH.. Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:JSX index to fall to 1688...? and shortly recovered and closed above 1700..? Soeratman Doerachman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dow Drops 416 on Global Market Plunge Tuesday February 27, 4:51 pm ET By Madlen Read, AP Business Writer Dow Finishes Down 416 at 12,216, Nasdaq Finishes Down 97 at 2,408 on Global Market Plunge NEW YORK (AP) -- Stocks had their worst day of trading since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks Tuesday, briefly hurtling the Dow Jones industrials down more than 500 points on a worldwide tide of concern that the U.S. and Chinese economies are stumbling and that share prices have become overinflated. The steepness of the market's drop, as well as its global breadth, signaled a possible correction after a long period of stable and steadily rising stock markets, which had not been shaken by such a volatile day of trading in several years. A 9 percent slide in Chinese stocks, which came a day after investors sent Shanghai's benchmark index to a record high close, set the tone for U.S. trading. The Dow began the day falling sharply, and the decline accelerated throughout the course of the session before stocks took a huge plunge in late afternoon as computer-driven sell programs kicked in. The Dow fell 546.02, or 4.3 percent, to 12,086.06 before recovering some ground in the last hour of trading to close down 416.02, or 3.29 percent, at 12,216.24, according to preliminary calculations. Because the worst of the plunge took place after 2:30 p.m., the New York Stock Exchange's trading limits, designed to halt such precipitous moves, were not activated. The decline was the Dow's worst since Sept. 17, 2001, the first trading day after the terror attacks, when the blue chips closed down 684.81, or 7.13 percent. The drop hit every sector of stocks across the market. Riskier issues such as small-cap and technology stocks suffered the biggest declines. But analysts who have been expecting a pullback after a huge rally that began last October and sent the Dow to a series of record highs, were unfazed by Tuesday's drop. This corrective consolidation phase isn't just going to be one day, but we don't believe this is going to be a bear market, said Bob Doll, BlackRock's global chief investment officer of equities. Some investors also tried to put Tuesday's slide into a longer-term perspective. All who invest should feel grateful that we've had a great run for the last 12 to 18 months, said Joel Kleinman, a Washington, D.C. attorney, adding that he has learned to not read too much into any short-term ups and downs. This is another day in the market. Still, traders' dwindling confidence was knocked down further by data showing that the economy may be decelerating more than anticipated. A Commerce Department report that orders for durable goods in January dropped by the largest amount in three months exacerbated jitters about the direction of the U.S. economy, just a day after former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said the United States may be headed for a recession. It looks more and more like the economy is a slow growth economy, said Michael Strauss, chief economist at Commonfund. Moderate economic growth is good -- an abrupt stop in economic growth scares people. The market had been expecting the government on Wednesday to revise its estimate of fourth-quarter GDP growth down to an annual rate of about 2.3 percent from an initial forecast of 3.5 percent, and grew increasingly nervous on Tuesday that the figure could come in even lower. The housing market, which the Street had been hoping had bottomed out, also looked far from recovery after a Standard Poor's index indicated that single-family home prices across the nation were flat in December. A later report from the National Association of Realtors said existing home sales climbed in January by the largest amount in two years, but the data didn't erase housing-related concerns, as median home prices fell for a sixth straight month. But a growing feeling that Wall Street, which has had a big run-up since October, was due for a correction also played into Tuesday's decline. I think that the market was prepared to pull back. The constellation of issues that were worrying the market came to a head, said Quincy Krosby, chief investment strategist at The Hartford. Just a week ago, the Dow had reached new closing and trading highs, rising as high as 12,795.92. The broader Standard Poor's 500 index was down 50.33, or 3.47 percent, at 1,399.04, and the tech-dominated Nasdaq composite index was off 96.65, or 3.86 percent, at 2,407.87. A suicide bomber attack on the main U.S. military base in Afghanistan where Vice President Dick Cheney was visiting also rattled the market. China's stock market
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Dow Finishes Down 416 at 12,216, Nasdaq Finishes Down 97 at 2,408 on Global Market Plunge
ugh we still have another day of selling tomorrow... Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emang Mr FS Oce, prediksinya manjuuur... So, what the next path, going SOUTH or NORTH ? Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HURRRAAAH.. Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JSX index to fall to 1688...? and shortly recovered and closed above 1700..? Soeratman Doerachman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dow Drops 416 on Global Market Plunge Tuesday February 27, 4:51 pm ET By Madlen Read, AP Business Writer Dow Finishes Down 416 at 12,216, Nasdaq Finishes Down 97 at 2,408 on Global Market Plunge NEW YORK (AP) -- Stocks had their worst day of trading since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks Tuesday, briefly hurtling the Dow Jones industrials down more than 500 points on a worldwide tide of concern that the U.S. and Chinese economies are stumbling and that share prices have become overinflated. The steepness of the market's drop, as well as its global breadth, signaled a possible correction after a long period of stable and steadily rising stock markets, which had not been shaken by such a volatile day of trading in several years. A 9 percent slide in Chinese stocks, which came a day after investors sent Shanghai's benchmark index to a record high close, set the tone for U.S. trading. The Dow began the day falling sharply, and the decline accelerated throughout the course of the session before stocks took a huge plunge in late afternoon as computer-driven sell programs kicked in. The Dow fell 546.02, or 4.3 percent, to 12,086.06 before recovering some ground in the last hour of trading to close down 416.02, or 3.29 percent, at 12,216.24, according to preliminary calculations. Because the worst of the plunge took place after 2:30 p.m., the New York Stock Exchange's trading limits, designed to halt such precipitous moves, were not activated. The decline was the Dow's worst since Sept. 17, 2001, the first trading day after the terror attacks, when the blue chips closed down 684.81, or 7.13 percent. The drop hit every sector of stocks across the market. Riskier issues such as small-cap and technology stocks suffered the biggest declines. But analysts who have been expecting a pullback after a huge rally that began last October and sent the Dow to a series of record highs, were unfazed by Tuesday's drop. This corrective consolidation phase isn't just going to be one day, but we don't believe this is going to be a bear market, said Bob Doll, BlackRock's global chief investment officer of equities. Some investors also tried to put Tuesday's slide into a longer-term perspective. All who invest should feel grateful that we've had a great run for the last 12 to 18 months, said Joel Kleinman, a Washington, D.C. attorney, adding that he has learned to not read too much into any short-term ups and downs. This is another day in the market. Still, traders' dwindling confidence was knocked down further by data showing that the economy may be decelerating more than anticipated. A Commerce Department report that orders for durable goods in January dropped by the largest amount in three months exacerbated jitters about the direction of the U.S. economy, just a day after former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said the United States may be headed for a recession. It looks more and more like the economy is a slow growth economy, said Michael Strauss, chief economist at Commonfund. Moderate economic growth is good -- an abrupt stop in economic growth scares people. The market had been expecting the government on Wednesday to revise its estimate of fourth-quarter GDP growth down to an annual rate of about 2.3 percent from an initial forecast of 3.5 percent, and grew increasingly nervous on Tuesday that the figure could come in even lower. The housing market, which the Street had been hoping had bottomed out, also looked far from recovery after a Standard Poor's index indicated that single-family home prices across the nation were flat in December. A later report from the National Association of Realtors said existing home sales climbed in January by the largest amount in two years, but the data didn't erase housing-related concerns, as median home prices fell for a sixth straight month. But a growing feeling that Wall Street, which has had a big run-up since October, was due for a correction also played into Tuesday's decline. I think that the market was prepared to pull back. The constellation of issues that were worrying the market came to a head, said Quincy Krosby, chief investment strategist at The Hartford. Just a week ago, the Dow had reached new closing and trading highs, rising as high as 12,795.92. The broader Standard Poor's 500 index was down 50.33, or 3.47 percent, at 1,399.04
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Sedia payung dan jaket sebelum hujan!
thank you, bro let's see tlkm, antm, pgas and ...inco herman ardiyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's already acknowledged that this room is not free from boss/bandar's sight, which could be more than one and less likely have common position, and it's all right if no big fish want to show their card, unless they are sure it's a trump. But showing emotion is just another telltale, isn't it? Even though for a big player such as you it's not for me to exploit. Though you can't reveal much in this homo homini lupus game, sometimes ob-brigade can offer help to reach your target sooner. Just like newspaper's ad, but free of charge. On 2/27/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ughbit reluctant to express opinion here... - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Dow Finishes Down 416 at 12,216, Nasdaq Finishes Down 97 at 2,408 on Global Market Plunge
JSX index to fall to 1688...? and shortly recovered and closed above 1700..? Soeratman Doerachman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dow Drops 416 on Global Market Plunge Tuesday February 27, 4:51 pm ET By Madlen Read, AP Business Writer Dow Finishes Down 416 at 12,216, Nasdaq Finishes Down 97 at 2,408 on Global Market Plunge NEW YORK (AP) -- Stocks had their worst day of trading since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks Tuesday, briefly hurtling the Dow Jones industrials down more than 500 points on a worldwide tide of concern that the U.S. and Chinese economies are stumbling and that share prices have become overinflated. The steepness of the market's drop, as well as its global breadth, signaled a possible correction after a long period of stable and steadily rising stock markets, which had not been shaken by such a volatile day of trading in several years. A 9 percent slide in Chinese stocks, which came a day after investors sent Shanghai's benchmark index to a record high close, set the tone for U.S. trading. The Dow began the day falling sharply, and the decline accelerated throughout the course of the session before stocks took a huge plunge in late afternoon as computer-driven sell programs kicked in. The Dow fell 546.02, or 4.3 percent, to 12,086.06 before recovering some ground in the last hour of trading to close down 416.02, or 3.29 percent, at 12,216.24, according to preliminary calculations. Because the worst of the plunge took place after 2:30 p.m., the New York Stock Exchange's trading limits, designed to halt such precipitous moves, were not activated. The decline was the Dow's worst since Sept. 17, 2001, the first trading day after the terror attacks, when the blue chips closed down 684.81, or 7.13 percent. The drop hit every sector of stocks across the market. Riskier issues such as small-cap and technology stocks suffered the biggest declines. But analysts who have been expecting a pullback after a huge rally that began last October and sent the Dow to a series of record highs, were unfazed by Tuesday's drop. This corrective consolidation phase isn't just going to be one day, but we don't believe this is going to be a bear market, said Bob Doll, BlackRock's global chief investment officer of equities. Some investors also tried to put Tuesday's slide into a longer-term perspective. All who invest should feel grateful that we've had a great run for the last 12 to 18 months, said Joel Kleinman, a Washington, D.C. attorney, adding that he has learned to not read too much into any short-term ups and downs. This is another day in the market. Still, traders' dwindling confidence was knocked down further by data showing that the economy may be decelerating more than anticipated. A Commerce Department report that orders for durable goods in January dropped by the largest amount in three months exacerbated jitters about the direction of the U.S. economy, just a day after former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said the United States may be headed for a recession. It looks more and more like the economy is a slow growth economy, said Michael Strauss, chief economist at Commonfund. Moderate economic growth is good -- an abrupt stop in economic growth scares people. The market had been expecting the government on Wednesday to revise its estimate of fourth-quarter GDP growth down to an annual rate of about 2.3 percent from an initial forecast of 3.5 percent, and grew increasingly nervous on Tuesday that the figure could come in even lower. The housing market, which the Street had been hoping had bottomed out, also looked far from recovery after a Standard Poor's index indicated that single-family home prices across the nation were flat in December. A later report from the National Association of Realtors said existing home sales climbed in January by the largest amount in two years, but the data didn't erase housing-related concerns, as median home prices fell for a sixth straight month. But a growing feeling that Wall Street, which has had a big run-up since October, was due for a correction also played into Tuesday's decline. I think that the market was prepared to pull back. The constellation of issues that were worrying the market came to a head, said Quincy Krosby, chief investment strategist at The Hartford. Just a week ago, the Dow had reached new closing and trading highs, rising as high as 12,795.92. The broader Standard Poor's 500 index was down 50.33, or 3.47 percent, at 1,399.04, and the tech-dominated Nasdaq composite index was off 96.65, or 3.86 percent, at 2,407.87. A suicide bomber attack on the main U.S. military base in Afghanistan where Vice President Dick Cheney was visiting also rattled the market. China's stock market plummeted Tuesday from record highs as investors took profits when concerns arose that the Chinese government may try
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Flu SHANGHAI: badai akan BERLALU atau BERLANJUT
I can see that there is still a light at the end of the tunnel, i mean the storm. and China shares...already rebounded. just sharing jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Banyak yang berfikir ini adalah panic selling... Embah pikir ini adalah PANIC DISENGAJA: - BC yang mau DIHOLD dihancurin lalu diambil balik sedangkan - Barang yang mau DISWITCH dijual saat BC diatas diangkat balik. Jadi ini TEKNIK SWITCHING portfolio disaat terjadi perubahan fundamental ekonomi untuk mengamankan PORTFOLIO... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Snoopy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matur Nuwun bah, Ogut pegang berlalu...sebentar lagi langit cerah..oye... Cucumu yang naughty. _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:50 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Flu SHANGHAI: badai akan BERLALU atau BERLANJUT Flu SHANGHAI: badai akan BERLALU atau BERLANJUT IHSG rebound ke -58 di 1705 BC direboundkan agar para BB bisa melakukan proses SWITCHING portfolio.. Pak Frederick dan ahli ekonomi macro lainnya, mau tanya nih: - Apakah ini merupakan badai yg akan BERLALU atau BERLANJUT ? - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Sedia payung dan jaket sebelum hujan!
hahahaha nice.nice let's see whether the market tomorrow (Tuesday rite..?) will be just upsided down from what you are expecting. cheers Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaketnya om.. Payung om.. dari pada basah kuyup kena guyur om.. BMG atau Badan Meramal Guyuran dari Republik Mimpi mengindikasikan bahwa Yakarta besok akan diguyur hujan lebat. Untuk yang mau jalan besok hari diminta membawa perlengkapan tambahan seperti jaket dan payung atau uang ekstra untuk ojek payung jika harus bepergian atau kalau tidak mempunyai rencana mendesak disarankan untuk tunggu di rumah sampai guyuran hujan reda. Siap-siap tunggu panggilan tante Marginong untuk yang sudah pake servisnya.. CMIIW.. Tukang Ojek Payung - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Sedia payung dan jaket sebelum hujan!
it's just a commentdont bother i do really espect any commentif i say nice it means, it does, nice it's a free room...rite..? everyone can make a comment cheers James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He control lots of portfolio so desperately displeased if lots of trader shorting the stock and could cause temporary profit recording ... heheheh On 2/26/07, hilman anugraha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Observing your few last postings on this discussion group, i hardly noticed any use of your comments. They are either discrediting or only making fun of people with genuine idea or thought. Sometimes even concern or fear. And most of the time you act like you control the price of things, like Mr Richie RIch. Sorry, oneliner. Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hahahaha nice.nice let's see whether the market tomorrow (Tuesday rite..?) will be just upsided down from what you are expecting. cheers Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaketnya om.. Payung om.. dari pada basah kuyup kena guyur om.. BMG atau Badan Meramal Guyuran dari Republik Mimpi mengindikasikan bahwa Yakarta besok akan diguyur hujan lebat. Untuk yang mau jalan besok hari diminta membawa perlengkapan tambahan seperti jaket dan payung atau uang ekstra untuk ojek payung jika harus bepergian atau kalau tidak mempunyai rencana mendesak disarankan untuk tunggu di rumah sampai guyuran hujan reda. Siap-siap tunggu panggilan tante Marginong untuk yang sudah pake servisnya.. CMIIW.. Tukang Ojek Payung - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Sedia payung dan jaket sebelum hujan!
it's just a commentdont bother i do really espect any commentif i say nice it means, it does, nice it's a free room...rite..? everyone can make a comment it could be right that the main index today (Tuesday) may be going downbut, any fall could provide room for collection...let's see whether Wednesday could worsen or be even better... cheers James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He control lots of portfolio so desperately displeased if lots of trader shorting the stock and could cause temporary profit recording ... heheheh On 2/26/07, hilman anugraha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Observing your few last postings on this discussion group, i hardly noticed any use of your comments. They are either discrediting or only making fun of people with genuine idea or thought. Sometimes even concern or fear. And most of the time you act like you control the price of things, like Mr Richie RIch. Sorry, oneliner. Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hahahaha nice.nice let's see whether the market tomorrow (Tuesday rite..?) will be just upsided down from what you are expecting. cheers Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaketnya om.. Payung om.. dari pada basah kuyup kena guyur om.. BMG atau Badan Meramal Guyuran dari Republik Mimpi mengindikasikan bahwa Yakarta besok akan diguyur hujan lebat. Untuk yang mau jalan besok hari diminta membawa perlengkapan tambahan seperti jaket dan payung atau uang ekstra untuk ojek payung jika harus bepergian atau kalau tidak mempunyai rencana mendesak disarankan untuk tunggu di rumah sampai guyuran hujan reda. Siap-siap tunggu panggilan tante Marginong untuk yang sudah pake servisnya.. CMIIW.. Tukang Ojek Payung - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Sedia payung dan jaket sebelum hujan!
thanks pak arifin James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bung FS, Yang perlu anda ingat tidak semua pemain memiliki kapital besar untuk bisa masuk setiap saat, oleh karenanya penting bagi trader untuk keluar di dekat top sehingga punya modal untuk masuk lagi ketika terjadi koreksi. Kalau didiemin terus kapan untungnya dan nggak punya duit lagi buat BOW. Saya yakin akan terjadi rebound tapi tanpa modal untuk buy di bawah, sama saja bohong. Beda dengan pemain besar yang duitnya banyak seri sehingga walaupun sudah buy masih punya capital untuk buy lagi, atau malah mereka sebenarnya sudah SOS dan siap2 BOW. Trader khan coba ikutan gelombang naik turun saja pak. Mungkin ini bisa menjadi pertimbangan anda ketika komentar karena trader sangat concern dengan naik turunnya harga karena keterbatasan modal. On 2/27/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's just a commentdont bother i do really espect any commentif i say nice it means, it does, nice it's a free room...rite..? everyone can make a comment it could be right that the main index today (Tuesday) may be going downbut, any fall could provide room for collection...let's see whether Wednesday could worsen or be even better... cheers James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He control lots of portfolio so desperately displeased if lots of trader shorting the stock and could cause temporary profit recording ... heheheh On 2/26/07, hilman anugraha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Observing your few last postings on this discussion group, i hardly noticed any use of your comments. They are either discrediting or only making fun of people with genuine idea or thought. Sometimes even concern or fear. And most of the time you act like you control the price of things, like Mr Richie RIch. Sorry, oneliner. Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hahahaha nice.nice let's see whether the market tomorrow (Tuesday rite..?) will be just upsided down from what you are expecting. cheers Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaketnya om.. Payung om.. dari pada basah kuyup kena guyur om.. BMG atau Badan Meramal Guyuran dari Republik Mimpi mengindikasikan bahwa Yakarta besok akan diguyur hujan lebat. Untuk yang mau jalan besok hari diminta membawa perlengkapan tambahan seperti jaket dan payung atau uang ekstra untuk ojek payung jika harus bepergian atau kalau tidak mempunyai rencana mendesak disarankan untuk tunggu di rumah sampai guyuran hujan reda. Siap-siap tunggu panggilan tante Marginong untuk yang sudah pake servisnya.. CMIIW.. Tukang Ojek Payung - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Sedia payung dan jaket sebelum hujan!
ughbit reluctant to express opinion here as I am just nobody... people in this room are all smart and good analysts I do believe that ON-MONTH inflation in February could go up as much as 1.6% vs 1.04% in January, while ON-YEAR could be at 6.7% in February vs 6.26% in January. This may force the central bank to pause the interest rate cycle at 9.25%. BUT, if the central bank officials smartly observe that the Fed may cut interest rate as late as June, they have to prepare to narrow the gap by cutting interest rate to 9% in March... Anyway, the inflation rate, i think, would be factored in...and may be you are correct that 1750 (of index) is a good level for buying. In a worse scenario, the main index may go down as low as 1730, IF INFLATION IN FEBRUARY IS MORE THAN 2%. Anyway, still, a fund flow is another strategic investment information...EPFR estimates that if the Fed cuts rate, the first have to meet for the spill over of the U.S. fund is the emerging markets A bit too technical, but it's just a share... top picks remain mining, telecommunication (BTEL may be shooting star), and plantation sectors... dicslaimer is heavily on... Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice obs, I expect people still can cheong la if collect it at 1750 or 1710, many FS will be issued this coming weeks. But I wonder whether there is stil enough power to go through 1830? Expect fresh funds from prince of arabian, Casper the ghost or other big funds? What sector will be benefited? and who are the trendmaker? What about inflation? BI rate? Export growth? DJ? Regional? So many questions should be answer right now, then after that I could only make decision. On 2/27/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's just a commentdont bother i do really espect any commentif i say nice it means, it does, nice it's a free room...rite..? everyone can make a comment it could be right that the main index today (Tuesday) may be going downbut, any fall could provide room for collection...let's see whether Wednesday could worsen or be even better... cheers James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He control lots of portfolio so desperately displeased if lots of trader shorting the stock and could cause temporary profit recording ... heheheh On 2/26/07, hilman anugraha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Observing your few last postings on this discussion group, i hardly noticed any use of your comments. They are either discrediting or only making fun of people with genuine idea or thought. Sometimes even concern or fear. And most of the time you act like you control the price of things, like Mr Richie RIch. Sorry, oneliner. Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hahahaha nice.nice let's see whether the market tomorrow (Tuesday rite..?) will be just upsided down from what you are expecting. cheers Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaketnya om.. Payung om.. dari pada basah kuyup kena guyur om.. BMG atau Badan Meramal Guyuran dari Republik Mimpi mengindikasikan bahwa Yakarta besok akan diguyur hujan lebat. Untuk yang mau jalan besok hari diminta membawa perlengkapan tambahan seperti jaket dan payung atau uang ekstra untuk ojek payung jika harus bepergian atau kalau tidak mempunyai rencana mendesak disarankan untuk tunggu di rumah sampai guyuran hujan reda. Siap-siap tunggu panggilan tante Marginong untuk yang sudah pake servisnya.. CMIIW.. Tukang Ojek Payung - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Sell ANTM and INCO
hehehehehehehe let's draw a chart. James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hati2 chart nickel menunjukkan nickel sudah overbought .. time for correction buat ANTM and INCO - Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Laba antm 5.6 T, bo!
LME prices rise, nickel, tin, lead around peaks Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:33 AM GMT Printer Friendly By Nick Trevethan SINGAPORE (Reuters) - London Metal Exchange prices rose on Thursday, with nickel, tin and lead at or near record peaks. Nickel was at $39,650 a tonne at 0810 GMT, versus $39,500 at the close on Wednesday, when prices hit a record $40,250. The market is genuinely short of metal. We have seen many times since last August, that when the backwardation flares, some metal comes in and then immediately goes on cancelled warrant, Peter Richardson, analyst at Deutsche Bank said. That highlights that demand for nickel has been remarkably robust. he said. Nickel stocks in LME warehouses were down 9 percent or 468 tonnes at 3,930 tonnes. Of that, 1,866 tonnes were earmarked for delivery, leaving 2,064 tonnes available, or just over half a day of world consumption. STX1 The premium or backwardation for cash metal above the three-month price was a wide $3,150 a tonne In its latest release, the World Bureau of Metal Statistics said nickel was in deficit by 50,000 tonnes in 2006. Copper production in 2006 outstripped demand by 277,000 tonnes. The full-year number compares with a surplus of 353,000 tonnes in the first 11 months of 2006, suggesting the copper market recorded an apparent deficit of 76,000 tonnes in December. LME copper was $85 higher at $5,875. Consumption in the January-to-December period was 17.1 million tonnes, which was 2.2 per cent higher than the previous year, WBMS said. Chinese consumption fell by 1.3 per cent to 3.66 million tonnes due to lower demand for imported copper. Chinese trade data showed that copper imports were down for most of 2006, but they rose sharply in December and were expected to be higher in January. LME stocks fell 425 tonnes to 210,000. The rebuild in copper stocks seen to mid-January may have stopped. The market is looking for a slowdown in the rebuild in stocks in Europe and the United States and for drawdowns in Asia suggesting Chinese buying, Richardson said. He added that investors using the Shanghai Futures Exchange, closed all this week for Lunar New Year holidays, will be forced to adjust prices sharply higher when the market re-opens, which could spur further buying in London and New York. Tin rose $75 to hit a fresh record at $13,925, supported as stocks remained below 10,000 tonnes for a second day and investors fretted about the reliability of supplies from Indonesia. On Wednesday, PT Timah Tbk, the world's largest integrated tin miner, said it would only raise output by 5-10 percent this year from Bangka island, where an environmental crackdown has squelched production from a host of other producers. Lead hit a contract high of $1,858 as of 0808 GMT. Production problems in Australia resulting in the declaration of force majeure at a British refinery have resulted in speculative interest in the metal. My understanding is that there may be issues with feedstock from the Mt. Isa operation, Richardson said. On Wednesday, a spokeswoman for London-listed Xstrata, which owns Mt. Isa and the Northfleet refinery in southeast England, said: There are no material issues at Mt. Isa. She declined to comment further on the underlying cause of the force majeure. Zinc was up $45 at $3,405, while aluminium was $9 higher at $2,767. - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Antam ikutan TINS nyalip PGAS????
You work for or a big fan of merrill lynch...eh..? pathetic... feter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Setuju pak, setiap orang rejekinya masing2, mungkin kali ini TINS, ANTM dan INCO yg naik kencang, tapi hidup seperti roda coi, nanti juga ada waktunya PTBA dan PGAS atau UNTR atau yg lain yg naik kencang. Terlalu berisiko untuk beli TINS dan ANTM sekarang. ANTM itu Public Relationnya memang bagus tapi sebenarnya di operationnya banyak sekali yg ngak efisien, bukan provocator yah… he…he.,….. Masak TINS naiknya terlalu amazing, tapi itulah saham, hati-hati friends sekali dibanting sampai 5.000 (mana tahan bo?) Sekali lagi WASPADALAH ……. WASPADALAH………. (kaya Bung Napi yah) Indonesia sekarang marketnya menurut saya sdh tdk dalam kondisi “ Overweight “, sdh 5 tahun bo naik terus, maka tahun 2007 ini yg sesuai untuk JSX adlah “Underweight”. (Disclamer yah, He…he.,…) Semua kasih target 1900 sampai 2100, tapi I personally say that Market is already too expensive, you can believe it or not is Up to you. Please record this message on 21th February 2007 and just see at the end of Dec 2007. Mr. Disclamer, Pemuda Harapan Bangsa New York Gangster - From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharif Dayan Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:20 PM To: [obrolan-bandar] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Antam ikutan TINS nyalip PGAS Salam Sejahtera... Pada Rabu, 21 Februari 2007, Andri Wijaya menulis: yo ptba lamo nian, capek nungguin yo. cubo dikasih extra joss dulu biar tambah tenaganya. Bebasoan apo dio ini ?! ;-) Saya sudah lama pegang PTBA dan PGAS. Tapi karena niatnya untuk jangka panjang atau ketika nilainya mencapai 2 kali lipat, maka dibiarkan saja. Antam dan Tins sudah terlalu tinggi untuk saya. Sharif Dayan - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Antam ikutan TINS nyalip PGAS????
You work for or a big fan of merrill lynch...eh..? pathetic... feter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Setuju pak, setiap orang rejekinya masing2, mungkin kali ini TINS, ANTM dan INCO yg naik kencang, tapi hidup seperti roda coi, nanti juga ada waktunya PTBA dan PGAS atau UNTR atau yg lain yg naik kencang. Terlalu berisiko untuk beli TINS dan ANTM sekarang. ANTM itu Public Relationnya memang bagus tapi sebenarnya di operationnya banyak sekali yg ngak efisien, bukan provocator yah… he…he.,….. Masak TINS naiknya terlalu amazing, tapi itulah saham, hati-hati friends sekali dibanting sampai 5.000 (mana tahan bo?) Sekali lagi WASPADALAH ……. WASPADALAH………. (kaya Bung Napi yah) Indonesia sekarang marketnya menurut saya sdh tdk dalam kondisi “ Overweight “, sdh 5 tahun bo naik terus, maka tahun 2007 ini yg sesuai untuk JSX adlah “Underweight”. (Disclamer yah, He…he.,…) Semua kasih target 1900 sampai 2100, tapi I personally say that Market is already too expensive, you can believe it or not is Up to you. Please record this message on 21th February 2007 and just see at the end of Dec 2007. Mr. Disclamer, Pemuda Harapan Bangsa New York Gangster - From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharif Dayan Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:20 PM To: [obrolan-bandar] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Antam ikutan TINS nyalip PGAS Salam Sejahtera... Pada Rabu, 21 Februari 2007, Andri Wijaya menulis: yo ptba lamo nian, capek nungguin yo. cubo dikasih extra joss dulu biar tambah tenaganya. Bebasoan apo dio ini ?! ;-) Saya sudah lama pegang PTBA dan PGAS. Tapi karena niatnya untuk jangka panjang atau ketika nilainya mencapai 2 kali lipat, maka dibiarkan saja. Antam dan Tins sudah terlalu tinggi untuk saya. Sharif Dayan - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TINS telah breakout diatas round numbernya buy TINS now!!
10,100caution caution... a flow sell is set. disclaimer HEAVILY ON. cheers budi suryono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nggak usah take profit dulu pak,nggak ada yang tahu puncaknya, kalau anda gunakan trailing stop yang baik, anda bisa capture movement TINS dengan baik, sekedar tips yang mudah anda bisa set trailing stop di slightly below a round number,just guess recent round number,rgds bangsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: terima ksih p Budi... Terima kasih p Budi atas infonya, hari ini take provit di TINS, ngeri pegang 4 hari, stress habis karena gak bisa dianalisa pakai TA banyak gorengan. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, budi suryono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TINS telah breakout diatas round numbernya buy TINS now!!
10,100caution caution... a flow sell is set. disclaimer HEAVILY ON. cheers budi suryono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nggak usah take profit dulu pak,nggak ada yang tahu puncaknya, kalau anda gunakan trailing stop yang baik, anda bisa capture movement TINS dengan baik, sekedar tips yang mudah anda bisa set trailing stop di slightly below a round number,just guess recent round number,rgds bangsur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: terima ksih p Budi... Terima kasih p Budi atas infonya, hari ini take provit di TINS, ngeri pegang 4 hari, stress habis karena gak bisa dianalisa pakai TA banyak gorengan. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, budi suryono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.
Re: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cuman beda STRATEGI........Timah (TINS IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000)
od oh od it stands for over doze...rite ? ANDIK MUSTIKA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Analys bikin seru!!! - Original Message From: Aria Bela Nusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Cc: Saham saham@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:49:12 PM Subject: RE: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cuman beda STRATEGITimah (TINS IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000) ANALis - juga manusia...he. ..he... regards, Aria -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:06 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re:Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cuman beda STRATEGI Timah (TINS IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000) Analis OD cuman kelupaan satu nol lagi, he3x. Harusnya 12000 ketulis 1200.? 
Thomas _ Sent from my phone using flurry - Get free mobile email and news at: http:/? /www.flurry. com --- Original Message --- Date: Fri Feb 16 20:50:24 PST 2007 From: Karno Edy [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cuman beda STRATEGI Timah (TINS IJ, BU? Y --- TP 11.000) --- JIKA SEANDAINYA yang terjadi bukan spt saat ini, JIKA yg terjadi TINS mel? orot ke Rp.1.200, apakah mereka akan dapet pujian P'Karno ? Jika bener, tentu saya akan bilang mereka hebat ... Trus sapa yg malu kalo mereka bener ? hehehhehe... . Kalo mereka bener, mestinya yg malu adalah analis yang membuat analisa ko? ntra dengan danareksa. Atau yg bilang prediksi danareksa ke 1200 pasti mele? set, gak mungkin, TINS akan tembus 10.000 dll dst dst Tingkat kebenaran memprediksi harga saham setengah tahun ke depan menurut? saya sangat sulit. Alasannya, kita tidak tahu apa yang akan terjadi besok. Kalau tepat hampir 100% saya lebih percaya karena faktor keberuntungan. ? - Original Message - From: Karno Edy To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cuman beda STRATEGI Timah (TINS IJ? , BUY --- TP 11.000) Riset Danareksa setengah tahun lalu, harusnya mereka malu buat prediksi? Rp1200 melihat harga TINS sekarang. . _ _ _ _ _ _ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile. yahoo.com/ mail - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: OFF LOAD BARANG.....Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cuman beda STRATEGI........Timah (T
i do really enjoy reading discussions on TINS you guys are good analysts. hehehehehe Karno Edy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COGSnya $8ribu, kalo ditambah biaya2 lainnya : penjualan, administrasi etc berapa .. akhirnya operating profit berapa ? Waktu ane masih kerja di prsh sekuritas TINS sempat dikabarkan mau bangkrut karena harga timah melempem, cost bisa lebih tinggi dari harga jual pada 3 s/d 5 ribu/ton. (waktu itu energi masih murah, ane hitung2 TINS BEP kalo harga timah 4000/ton). Sekarang harga timah maupun TINS naik banyak. Hitungannya gak masuk akal, means harga timah naik 50% EPS naik 175%? Kemungkinan : Setiap kenaikan harga timah sekian $, profit TINS akan naik sekian juta rupiah. Cheers, Karno - Original Message - From: alfanendya To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: OFF LOAD BARANG.Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cuman beda STRATEGITimah (T Kan ada yang namanya Break Even Point Om :-). Delivered cost per tonne (COGS) sekitar $8 ribu/ton. Menurut DBS, setiap kenaikan 5% harga timah akan menyebabkan EPS naik 17,5%. Sekarang 3 month LME tin di 12.700. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Karno Edy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalo bicara laporan tahun 2006, ane optimis EPSnya gak akan nyampe separo dari EPSnya ANTM Ane bilang gak efisien kenapa ? Ini soal perbandingan kinerja sama-sama sebelum tambang liar diterbitkan. Rata-rata harga jual naik tapi laba bersih turun banyak (bandingkan setengah tahun 2006 dgn 2005) Sekarang setelah tambang liar ditertibkan ane percaya ada perbaikan kinerja. Tapi soal harga di pasar, murni kerjaan market maker. Timah awal 2005 aja sudah 7500 s/d 8000an sampe sekarang baru naik 60%an. Bandingkan nickel yg naik 200%an. Tapi TINS jumlah sahamnya sedikit lebih gampang digoreng. Setengah tahun sudah naik 300 %an. Good luck. - Original Message - From: Investor Bonex To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: OFF LOAD BARANG.Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cuman beda STRATEGITimah (TINS IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000) Thanks All... Jika dulu harganya 55 rb dan sekarang sekitar segitu, dari sisi COGS Timah tetap dunk, artinya gain yg diterima PT Timah adalah murni dari kenaikan harga di market. Menurut ogut, saat ini sepertinya Bandar2 yg ngumpulin di harga 2000 dan 4000 lagi pingin pelesiran, so muatan harus di turunkan dulu biar agak ringan. Nunggu lapkeu 4Q, seberapa effisien PT Timah beroperasi, thus dari situ baru ketahuan going NORTH or SOUTH... Jst my 2 cent alfanendya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Menurut PT Timah, para penambang inkonvensional (TI) masih bisa untung walau mereka jual tin ore ke PT Timah seharga 4 ribu $/MT. Jadi tin ore memang akan mengarah ke situ harganya. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, HERDIYANTO WIJAYA herdiyanto_wijaya@ wrote: Kalau di pasaran waktu itu berkisar Rp 55.000/kilo (kadar 70% - 74%) Thx. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Investor Bonex Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:31 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cuman beda STRATEGITimah (TINS IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000) Sebelum terjadi penutupan smelter (kira2 pertengahan 2006), kira2 Timah beli dari tengkulak pasir timah di harga brp per kilonya ? thanks laven_28 laven_28@ wrote: Klo ngomong efisiensi,Harga pokok p.t. timah skrang hampir sama dengan harga beli pasir timah dari tambang rakyat soalnya di Babel, sekarang p.t. Timah kebanyakan cuman beli pasir timah, lebih murah ketimbang pake alat beratnya dia, solar mahal. Tambang rakyat itu kebanyakan di areal KPnya dia... Harga belinya paling murah 39rb, paling mahal 59rb (pasir timah kering) perkilo.. Sebelum-sebelumnya, dia mesti saingan ama si koba dan si smelter.. Skrg saingan udah gak ada... Skrg juga Colector2 yg sebelumnya pada jualan ke si Koba, skrg semuanya mesti jual ke si timah -- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Lupakan TINS........
hehehehehe short sell...? hehehehehe Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heheee.. kejamnya kl gak punya barang.. :)) On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:46:54 +0700, Mr. T wrote: Short sell.. TP 2500. Yahoo! Groups Links - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
[obrolan-bandar] CENTRAL BANK CUTS BI RATE TO 9.25% VS 9.5%
oentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya di 7850... Yang pasti beritanya sdh kadaluarsa. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Oskar Syahbana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hayo ngaku siapa yang short sell tadi pagi ;-)) On 2/6/07, Eddy S. Purnomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2,500 ??? hue...he...he. - Original Message - From: Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Lupakan TINS heheee.. kejamnya kl gak punya barang.. :)) On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:46:54 +0700, Mr. T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Short sell.. TP 2500. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- Oskar Syahbana http://permagnus.com/ -- A Financial site with a human touch Please send private messages to iservasia[at]gmail.com - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Lupakan TINS........
From the platts story, it should be read that the new verified smelters (five) are not considerably able to export their tins directly. The license is TO OPERATE, while law concerning exports verification remain...So they can operate and sell their tin to TINS, which have license to export REFINED TIN Just sharing...investmen is on your call cheers Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lupakan TINS.. Pemko Babel uda gak tahan utk puasa dari hot money cukong2 illegal smelter. Bagaimana mungkin dg mudahnya illegal2 smelter memenuhi syarat yg ditetapkan Memperindag utk memperoduksi timah dg kemurnian 99.9% dan memenuhi syarat Amdal ... Otonomi daerah lebih meciptakan raja2 kecil yg males tapi pingin cepat kaya !!! Dasar bangsa korup !!! - Five Indonesian tin smelters get government OK to restart Jakarta (Platts)--5Feb2007 Five tin smelters on the Indonesian island of Bangka are able to resume operation following the issuance of permits from the local government, as they meet proper requirements for tin smelting, a government official told Platts Monday. The smelters are among 17 smelters which have submitted proposals to secure a license for tin smelting, local government spokesman Latief Pribadi said, adding that the five smelters permitted to resume operations were CV DS Jaya Abadi, PT Bangka Putra Karya, PT Bukit Timah, CV Duta Putra Bangka and PT Bilitin Makmur. They have met the requirements on tin smelting and already have an approval from Bangka Belitung's governor, Latief said. The mining and energy department of Bangka Belitung province has verified seven of the 17 smelters which have applied for a permit, he said, adding: Five among them have secured an approval from governor, while other two smelters are still in the verification process. Tin smelters operating in Indonesia are required to comply with government regulations in order to be allowed to operate. The Indonesian government has clamped down on refined tin exports in a bid to ban uncontrolled mining activity and increase revenues from royalty payments. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] CTRA, will be out its base today?
Pak Busur, Saluute and Best Respect. cheers budi suryono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CTRA telah lama gerak dikisaran 800-850,hari ini aqkan mencoba break it's high 850, mudah2an berhasil,jika berhasil buy CTRA di 850-860.rgds - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Jackpot trader!
We, here, love the state of investment strategy...we aren't familiar with gambling...but, we love to fight those trying so. hehehehehehehehe schweizenische_kreditanstalt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't understand why people still optimistic about market.. They might some kind of Casino Raiders?... rgds - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Buat Jagoan FA......Re: [saham] Fwd: Produksi timah Indonesia menurun 1/3 thn ini
I shared Pak Eka's opinion...with some reserves Just buy for mid term investment and sell it whenever it tries or closes to 9,000 level...Tin reserves are always in question...If we go back to 2000's...we would find that the panic selling was because of fears that tin reserves will only last for five to 10 yearsit is now 2007...so you have one to three years to play around with TINSMy advise is don't get burn by tin.it's painfulhehe EKA SUWANDANA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalo asumsi 1$/MT harga wajar Rp9000. Saya nggak berani lebih dari itu. Ingat di laporan keuangan yg bisa di download di jsx.co.id disitu disisipkan harga rata2 jualan, harga pokok penjualan. Utk harga pokok penjualan trendnya ikut naik, seiring dgn naiknya Jumlah tanah yg digali. tahun lalu (coba cek lagi) 2 Jt MT tanah , sekarang 3 Jt MT tanah digali utk dapatkan 4MT Timah. So itu memang seperti direksinya akui, tanda2 deposit terbukti, sudah habis, dan kedepan ongkos angkat TIN juga makin mahal. So kalo ada yg bilang TINS bakal 9000-1, yakin sampai, kalo ada yg bilang 15000-17000, IT'S BIG BULLSHIT! Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Berdasarkan news ini seharusnya pakar2 dan jagoan FA waroeng OB (P. EKA, P Halim, Mr FS, dkk) bisa memprediksi brp sebenarnya fair value TINS for Y2007. Asumsi Y2007 : Avrg tin = 12,000USD/MT Production = 40,000MT/yr (base case : 45,000MT) thanks Teddy Halim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wah jadi dong ni harga TINS rock and roll, naik kenceng, 8000, 9000 dan balik ke 11000 spt bbrp thn lalu? Financial Times FT.com Markets Indonesia's tin output to fall sharply By John Aglionby in Jakarta Published: January 30 2007 17:57 | Last updated: January 30 2007 17:57 Tin production in Indonesia, the world's largest exporter, will fall by up to a third this year due to new government regulations to clean up the industry, the head of the country's largest manufacturer predicted on Tuesday. Thobrani Alwi, the president of Timah, estimated that production would drop to 80,000-90,000 tonnes from 120,000 tonnes last year because the new rules will force the majority of exporters out of business for months and some permanently. From February 23 tin exporters will have to register with the trade ministry and pay the government royalties of 3 per cent. Registration will require having one's own licensed production area or sourcing from a licensed contractor and an approved environmental impact assessment study. Many smelters buy tin from the thousands of people mining tin illegally with no environmental controls. The price of tin on the London Metal Exchange soared to a near 20-year high of $12,425 last week after the rules were announced. It traded at about $12,250 a tonne on Tuesday, up 64 per cent over the past 12 months. Of the 39 Indonesian tin producers and exporters, only two currently meet all the regulations. One of them is Timah. Mr Thobrani estimated that about a dozen of those shut down might meet all the regulations. Some might be able to restart after a few months, he told the Financial Times. Others might choose to work with Timah but many will probably have to close. Illegal mining last year accounted for about half of Indonesia's production. A multi-departmental government team is in Bangka Belitung, where all the illegal miners are based, helping them assess their options. Mr Thobrani said a reasonable price for tin was $12,000 to $13,000 a tonne. He said Timah might increase its capacity if the price rose to about $13,000 a tonne or if LME stocks, currently 11,555 tonnes, dropped dramatically. Timah's capacity is 50,000 tonnes and it has at least 10 years of reserves. Global demand, which has risen in recent years since tin started replacing lead for soldering, is predicted to be about 365,000 tonnes this year. Tin is also used in cans, alloys and glass production. China is the world's largest producer but keeps much for domestic consumption. Indonesian tin is usually of a higher quality. Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007 FT and Financial Times are trademarks of the Financial Times. Privacy policy | Terms © Copyright The Financial Times Ltd 2007. - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Last call to check out
ANTAM closed higher..pakhehehehe cheers Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secara teknikal, ANTM juga sudah memasuki teritori negatif dan berpeluang menjadi partner TLKM ASII dalam penurunan index Please protect your capital and profit... Disclaimer mode on and God bless you all! ^^ Best Regards, SAMUEL SUDESWANTO YEUNG RESEARCH DEPARTMENT PT SINARMAS SEKURITAS GEDUNG PLAZA BII MENARA III Jl.M.H.Thamrin No.51 Telp : 62-21-3925550 ext.159 Fax : 62-21-3925579 DISCLAIMER : This material is issued by PT Sinarmas Sekuritas, a member of the Jakarta and Surabaya Stock Exchanges, represent the opinion of PT Sinarmas Sekuritas, derived its judgement from sources deemed reliable, however, PT Sinarmas Sekuritas and its affiliated cannot guarantee its accuracy and completeness. PT Sinarmas Sekuritas or its affiliates may be involved in transactions contrary to any opinion herein or have positions in the securities recommended herein and may seek or will seek investment banking or other business relationships with the companies in this material. PT Sinarmas Sekuritas, its employees and its affiliates, expressly disclaim any and all liability for representation or warranties, expressed or implied, here in or omission there from or for any loss how so ever arising from any use of this material or its contents or otherwise arising in connection there with. Opinion expressed in this material are our present view and are subject to change without notice. GOD BLESS YOU - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Pembantain berdarah di BEJ...
it is still a trend in trend chartingthe moral is: if you put a brake on your car and feeling left behind...you should step on it hardly...rite..? so your car will even go faster. the chart from aria bela looks good...but, please don't missread it regards, Herry Atmadjaja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PGAS (Finance Direktor Djoko Parmono) mengatakan penjualan 2006 sebesar Rp. 6.17 Trilliun. Sepertinya dibawah prediksi semua analis saham untuk pendapatan 2006. Penjualan Pgas menurut analis: Credit suisse : 6992 milyar DBS Group : 7138 milyar CIMB : 7153 milyar BNP Paribas : 7558 milyar CLSA : 7659 milyar Merrill lynch : 8897 milyar Kim eng : 8467 milyar Danareksa : 7467 milyar Trimegah : 7343 milyar Bagaimana dengan Net Profit Pgas? Ada yang bisa bantu hitung? Barangkali Eps 2006 sekitar Rp. 350 atau PE 25 ??? On 1/25/07, Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pagi ini terjadi pembantaian berdarah di BEJ dikabarkan 70% dari penghuni BEJ berdarah2 dan sekarat... ... .. BEJ berdarah... Waroeng sepi... tanda-tanda lalat generasi tua akan pensiun... diharapkan lalat generasi baru datang...untuk dibantai When this bloody journey will be end ? Mr FS, experts, pls comment - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dg IHSG ???
I am still very much happy. it's a good correction hehehehe Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wah Mr. Pemain Besar sekarang pelit bicara nih lagi babak belur ni mister... let me guest, Apakah waktunya FM utk 'nyetor' ke BOZZ BESAR ?? Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehehehe..no comment God bless you all Hotma Sirait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enggak ada apa-apa dengan IHSG memang sudah saat-nya turun (lihat saja chart-nya di yahoo finance ^JKSE sudah ketinggian tuh it's time to turun banyak) kebetulan ada momentum (alasan yang dicari-cari) keluar dari CGI. besok juga turun lagi (banjir darah lebih besar lagi) enggak ada masalah, please bandar-bandar IHSG turunin lagi dong yang banyak besok ya (-70) seperti biasa setiap hari jumat kan bandar perlu uang untuk refreshing week-end kita kasi deh. intinya 'never argue with the market' he..he..he sok wise nih padahal baru saja cut-loss AALI. regards, hotma sirait 'disclaimer is on 100%' - Original Message From: Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:35:43 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dg IHSG ??? Ada apa dg IHSG ? Koq tiba2 banjir darah kemana2 reaksi dari keluar dar CGI atau apa ya ? - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dg IHSG ???
hehehehehe..no comment God bless you all Hotma Sirait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enggak ada apa-apa dengan IHSG memang sudah saat-nya turun (lihat saja chart-nya di yahoo finance ^JKSE sudah ketinggian tuh it's time to turun banyak) kebetulan ada momentum (alasan yang dicari-cari) keluar dari CGI. besok juga turun lagi (banjir darah lebih besar lagi) enggak ada masalah, please bandar-bandar IHSG turunin lagi dong yang banyak besok ya (-70) seperti biasa setiap hari jumat kan bandar perlu uang untuk refreshing week-end kita kasi deh. intinya 'never argue with the market' he..he..he sok wise nih padahal baru saja cut-loss AALI. regards, hotma sirait 'disclaimer is on 100%' - Original Message From: Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:35:43 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dg IHSG ??? Ada apa dg IHSG ? Koq tiba2 banjir darah kemana2 reaksi dari keluar dar CGI atau apa ya ? - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] MANA TUH MR. FS???
wuaa.thought u are very saktiso that u don't need anybody's help hehehehe...andnever said that i WOULD jack up pgas shares. but, in the long term horizoni must say PGAS remains ATTRACTIVE...WATCH IT pendekarsaktisekali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KATANYA MAU MENGANGKAT PGAS SAMPE LEVEL TERTINGGI??? UDAH BANGKRUT??? - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Sekilas Berita
the stories ARE AIMED AT SUPPORTING the theory that the main index could go down from 17770-1790 levels. rite..? anyway, if chart denies itself, the reader must deny the faith cheers Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: War is inevitable? Oil prices shooting up? Hm... Idx anteng2 aja ya... semoga berlanjut terus... Rgds, Rei Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rabu 17 Januari 2006 Metrotvnews.com, Moskow: Menteri Pertahanan Rusia Sergei Ivanov membenarkan bahwa Rusia telah menjual sistem pertahanan antimisil udara jenis TOR M1 ke Iran. Hal itu disampaikan Ivanov dalam konferensi pers yang digelar Selasa (17/1) waktu setempat. Ivanov menyatakan, Moskow dan Teheran telah menandatangani kontrak senilai US$ 700 juta untuk pembelian 29 unit TOR M1. Kontrak ini ditandatangani pada Desember tahun lalu. TOR M1 adalah misil udara yang mampu mengidentifikasi 48 target pada ketinggian 6.000 meter. Senjata ini juga mampu menembak dua target secara simultan. Menurut Ivanov, Moskow dan Teheran juga tengah menjajaki pembelian sejumlah senjata lainnya. Tetapi Ivanov menolak menjelaskan secara detil kerja sama tersebut. Menurut Ivanov, pembelian sistem pertahanan udara ini tidak menyalahi Resolusi Perserikatan Bangsa-Bangsa (PBB) mengenai program nuklir Iran. Selama ini, Amerika Serikat mendesak dunia internasional untuk menghentikan penjualan senjata kepada Iran, guna menekan Teheran menghentikan program pengembangan nuklirnya.(/DOR) Liputan6.com, Washington: Amerika Serikat kembali menempatkan satu kapal induk di perairan Teluk Persia. Kapal Induk USS John C Stenis diberangkatkan dari Washington, Selasa (16/1), dengan mengangkut 3.200 personel dan tak kurang dari 80 pesawat jet tempur termasuk F-18 Hornet dan Super Hornet. Kapal induk ini dijadwalkan tiba di kawasan Teluk bulan depan dan bergabung dengan Kapal Induk USS Eisenhower yang saat ini ditempatkan di perairan Somalia. Sebelumnya USS John C Stenis ditempatkan di wilayah Pasifik. Menteri Pertahanan AS Robert Gates mengungkapkan, penempatan dua kapal induk di perairan Teluk untuk memberi peringatan kepada Iran. Selain menempatkan dua kapal induk, AS juga menambah kekuatan peluru kendali Patriot di Semenanjung Arabia. Padahal Iran menentang penempatan peluru kendali dan telah meminta pemimpin negara Arab untuk menutup pangkalan militer AS di wilayahnya pada Desember silam. Selain di Irak, AS telah menempatkan lebih dari 40 ribu personel militer di wilayah Arab dengan jumlah terbesar berada di Kuwait.(ADO) - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
ooops.you've got it wrong. Netither AAF nor PIM are client of PGAS...they were EXXON's care to see the details..? please read through all stories bout them the moral, however, within 20 years (in a very worst scenario..) you still can get so many investment to choose... James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering your statement, then AAF, PIM should not be closed as Indonesia had plenty reserves. Reserves is one thing but there is other thing that is more important, where? On 1/17/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehe. Indonesia's gas reserves should last 30 years in averagewhile monetizing rate for it now only less than 17%...compared to TIN reserves which will be vanished in 2 or three years, or oil which will be emptied in 10 years...this RESOURCES (PGAS) company still has a brighter outlook... It is a gas distributor, but is is the monopoly holder... The problem now is how the company can cope with the confidence or trust problems from market participants, soon it is settled, there should be no overhang anymore... valuationI would love or more than happy to buy PGAS at any level below IDR8,000Target price..? in bullish scenario, where everything is going on smoothly, including the political will of the government, PGAS still has a big chance to hit IDR17,000 in 12-month based on GGM, but on normal scenario..its fair value should be at around IDR10,000. disclaimer on... cheers Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gas untuk SSWJ masih panjang pak.. 17 tahun dan 20 tahun... makanya valuasi bisa mahal seperti itu.. Rata-rata kontrak PGAS seumur pipanya. cuman itu yang saya bisa konfirmasi On 1/17/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sekedar koreksi, bukan diterminate pak tapi kontrak expire. Selain itu PGAS harus mulai mikir dari mana dia bisa cari pengganti gas diproduksi sekarang terutama yang dari Sumatera. Kalau nggak business-nya nggak sustainable seperti ketika tahun 2005 mereka kekurangan supply gas dari Kangean yang mengakibatkan mereka pusing tujuh keliling karena banyak demand tapi nggak ada supply On 1/17/07, Fadel Akbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perusahaan yang baik berdasarkan analisa fundamental adalah perusahaan yang memiliki going concern (sustainable growth). Kalau kayak PGAS yang akan di-terminate misalkan kata Mr. James 20 tahun lagi atau pasokan gas nya aja gak jelas karena berbagai kasus yang terjadi di Indonesia sehingga terganggu going concern-nya maka mengindikasikan harus hati2 buat yang megang PGAS. Perusahaan di Amerika (walau kita ceritanya di Indonesia nh) butuh inovasi ataupun akuisisi dan merger untuk going concern sehingga meningkatkan nilainya. Dan sepertinya hal ini gak mungkin akan kejadian di PGAS yang regulasinya aja njelimet. (PGAS gak mungkin akuisisi perusahaan minyak dan gas apalagi Pertamina wong dulu Pertamina induknya bukan? Tapi bisa aja terjadi kasus seperti itu ketika salah satu BUMN yang kecil mengakuisisi yang besar pada tahun 95an. Nb: ada yang ingat gak?kalo ingat tak kasih permen..hehehe) Kenaikan harga PGAS menurut saya terdorong oleh karena akan adanya divestasi susulan. Pegang atau Lepas? Investor or trader? Hidup adalah pilihan bukan? Seperti biasa.. Mohon maap kalo ada salah2 kate ye.. FA (Fundamental Analyst) --- Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too much love will kill you. Too many rumors will bankrupt you. James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya dapat rumour bahwa PGAS juga harus membayar denda ke COPI akibat keterlambatan pipa SSWJ tersebut. Ada yang bisa klarifikasi apakah rumour ini akurat? Regards, On 1/16/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PGAS memang ambil profitnya dari toll fee tapi mereka juga membeli gas dari producers. Saya nggak tahu apakah mereka membelinya dengan fixed price (normal untuk domestic market) atau link to crude price (international standard). Kalau fixed price, tentunya mereka punya kontrak long term. Pricing yang mereka beli dan pricing yang mereka tentukan ke customer, memberikan profit tambahan selain bisnis pipelinenya. Masalahnya adalah bila supplier gas seperti ConocoPhilips, Pertamina atau lainnya kehabisan gas 20 tahun mendatang, maka bisnis pipa PGAS tinggal jadi besi bekas. Ini yang perlu dan harus dipikirkan manajemen PGAS kalau mereka memiliki pemikiran business as a going concern. Kalau nggak, sahamnya nggak bisa diwarisi tuh ... hehehe On 1/16/07, Fadel Akbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hati2.. Beli barang kayak PGAS.. mereka hanya perusahaan trading bukan yang eksplorasi jadi untungnya dari margin gak ada yang lain.. atau paling untung kurs (tapi agak kurang memungkinkan karena pasarnya dalam negeri bukan ekspor seperti MEDC dan Pertamina). Jadi kalau dikasi kuota tuh barangnya, PGAS bisa mampus
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
you mean i missed the point..? it's ok let see how this gas distributor perform in 20 years...if i am stilll available in Indonesia, thou...hehehehe cheers James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you lose the point, nice to discuss but you can not see my point in AAF and PIM case On 1/19/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ooops.you've got it wrong. Netither AAF nor PIM are client of PGAS...they were EXXON's care to see the details..? please read through all stories bout them the moral, however, within 20 years (in a very worst scenario..) you still can get so many investment to choose... James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering your statement, then AAF, PIM should not be closed as Indonesia had plenty reserves. Reserves is one thing but there is other thing that is more important, where? On 1/17/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehe. Indonesia's gas reserves should last 30 years in averagewhile monetizing rate for it now only less than 17%...compared to TIN reserves which will be vanished in 2 or three years, or oil which will be emptied in 10 years...this RESOURCES (PGAS) company still has a brighter outlook... It is a gas distributor, but is is the monopoly holder... The problem now is how the company can cope with the confidence or trust problems from market participants, soon it is settled, there should be no overhang anymore... valuationI would love or more than happy to buy PGAS at any level below IDR8,000Target price..? in bullish scenario, where everything is going on smoothly, including the political will of the government, PGAS still has a big chance to hit IDR17,000 in 12-month based on GGM, but on normal scenario..its fair value should be at around IDR10,000. disclaimer on... cheers Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gas untuk SSWJ masih panjang pak.. 17 tahun dan 20 tahun... makanya valuasi bisa mahal seperti itu.. Rata-rata kontrak PGAS seumur pipanya. cuman itu yang saya bisa konfirmasi On 1/17/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sekedar koreksi, bukan diterminate pak tapi kontrak expire. Selain itu PGAS harus mulai mikir dari mana dia bisa cari pengganti gas diproduksi sekarang terutama yang dari Sumatera. Kalau nggak business-nya nggak sustainable seperti ketika tahun 2005 mereka kekurangan supply gas dari Kangean yang mengakibatkan mereka pusing tujuh keliling karena banyak demand tapi nggak ada supply On 1/17/07, Fadel Akbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perusahaan yang baik berdasarkan analisa fundamental adalah perusahaan yang memiliki going concern (sustainable growth). Kalau kayak PGAS yang akan di-terminate misalkan kata Mr. James 20 tahun lagi atau pasokan gas nya aja gak jelas karena berbagai kasus yang terjadi di Indonesia sehingga terganggu going concern-nya maka mengindikasikan harus hati2 buat yang megang PGAS. Perusahaan di Amerika (walau kita ceritanya di Indonesia nh) butuh inovasi ataupun akuisisi dan merger untuk going concern sehingga meningkatkan nilainya. Dan sepertinya hal ini gak mungkin akan kejadian di PGAS yang regulasinya aja njelimet. (PGAS gak mungkin akuisisi perusahaan minyak dan gas apalagi Pertamina wong dulu Pertamina induknya bukan? Tapi bisa aja terjadi kasus seperti itu ketika salah satu BUMN yang kecil mengakuisisi yang besar pada tahun 95an. Nb: ada yang ingat gak?kalo ingat tak kasih permen..hehehe) Kenaikan harga PGAS menurut saya terdorong oleh karena akan adanya divestasi susulan. Pegang atau Lepas? Investor or trader? Hidup adalah pilihan bukan? Seperti biasa.. Mohon maap kalo ada salah2 kate ye.. FA (Fundamental Analyst) --- Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too much love will kill you. Too many rumors will bankrupt you. James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya dapat rumour bahwa PGAS juga harus membayar denda ke COPI akibat keterlambatan pipa SSWJ tersebut. Ada yang bisa klarifikasi apakah rumour ini akurat? Regards, On 1/16/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PGAS memang ambil profitnya dari toll fee tapi mereka juga membeli gas dari producers. Saya nggak tahu apakah mereka membelinya dengan fixed price (normal untuk domestic market) atau link to crude price (international standard). Kalau fixed price, tentunya mereka punya kontrak long term. Pricing yang mereka beli dan pricing yang mereka tentukan ke customer, memberikan profit tambahan selain bisnis pipelinenya. Masalahnya adalah bila supplier gas seperti ConocoPhilips, Pertamina atau lainnya kehabisan gas 20 tahun mendatang, maka bisnis pipa PGAS tinggal jadi besi bekas. Ini yang perlu dan harus dipikirkan manajemen PGAS kalau mereka memiliki pemikiran business as a going concern. Kalau nggak, sahamnya nggak bisa diwarisi tuh ... hehehe On 1/16/07
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
wal..bravo pak agus.nice one.. Agus Partono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Estimated oil reserves: 800 billions of barrels, world consumption: 76 millions per day, looks like planet Earth has have oil for about 10,000 days, i.e. about 27 years. Assuming that consumption does not increase...(which is impossible). If consumption increases an average 5% a year, then we have oil for about 15 years. Then count that to the 'life' of those mentioned oil companies. Sure PGAS is incomparable with those big sisters. But in my area, the growth of gas pipe for home consumption is so high, and the demand also high, coz much cheaper than LPG tanks distributed by Pertamina ( used to be my wife bought 2 tanks for +/- 120 thousands, while same consumption from PGN cost only 50-60 thou). And who the hell will hold PGAS stock for 20 yrs long? PGAS is just a ticker in hundreds( so many swingers today) rgds, agus --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karena memiliki reserve dimana-mana bukan cuma di Indonesia, itu yang disebutkan sebagai reserve to replacement ratio. BP, Exxon, Shell memiliki reserve replacement ratio yang cukup tinggi sehingga bisnis mereka akan tetap ada kecuali oil reserve di seluruh dunia sudah habis. Selain itu PGAS tidak dapat dicompare dengan mereka karena bisnis bergerak di downstream sehingga mammoth tersebut mempunyai bisnis di semua bidang. On 1/17/07, Agus Partono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Setelah 20 th ke depan??? Jualan besi dan pipa bekas... Apakah anda bisa pula bayangkan apa yg akan dilakukan oleh BP, ExxonMobil, Chevron dlm 20 th ke depan??? Tapi kenapa skr orang2 masih menghargai premium stocknya? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, James Arifin james.arifin@ wrote: Khan saya memang bilang kontraknya 20 tahun, yang saya masalahkan setelah itu karena prinsip harus going concern artinya PGAS sudah harus mikir mau apa 20 tahun mendatang. On 1/17/07, Halim Mintareja hmin918@ wrote: - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] COMPOSITE : Short term limited upside, please save your position until further informations
hehehehehehehe Karno Edy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tapi musti waspada, sebab ada pihak yg punya power dan suka memutarbalikan pendapat analis/perkiraan mayoritas - Original Message - From: Rei To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] COMPOSITE : Short term limited upside, please save your position until further informations Tuh pak, the master has spoken! Hehe...jadi lihat index sudah dekat2 gini, jualan dulu ah. Gua pikir di Indo mesti kadang2 keluar masuk baru cuan kalo diam aja terlalu monoton... lihat ntar dah. Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secara teknikal, index telah mengalami teknikal rebound dan pada saat ini teknikal rebound sudah mendekati angka ajaib fibonacci 61,8% yang berada pada kisaran 1.761 - 1.775, akan lebih bijak bila kita mengamankan posisi kita saat ini sambil menunggu perkembangan lebih lanjut. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS: Broker ANALYSYS + INDEX SENIN NAIK
vib please check the trading volume.range remains at 7,900-9,400... in high volatility...but i do agree with IAN cheers Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalo nankep nya gak pake ilmu bandar .. pasti ambless, boss Vibb ...:D btw, exit di berapa yahh 9300-9500 keisi gak yahh secara TA? salam On 1/16/07, Santo Vibby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Senior TA emang bener koq, tidak baek nangkep piso jatoh, kecuali kalo emang jantung dah trained utk swing trading mbah... Ini gambar TA utk PGAS (sesi 1) sblm doi di suspended yg saya kirimkan ke V-trader minggu lalu Semoga membantu SV www.J-Club.biz - Original Message - From: jsx_consultant To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS: Broker ANALYSYS + INDEX SENIN NAIK Embah pikir analisa technical selalu nunggu REBOUND, seperti ditulis dimilis AATI pagi ini Tapi kalo pak Vibby untung pake TA, embah sih percaya aja ama sang MAESTRO Mohon PEMBELAJARANnya, karena para SENIOR TA selalu bilang jangan menangkap PISAU JATUH --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com , Santo Vibby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buy PGAS @7400 sblm market suspended, ni pagi lego 50%di 8.100, 30% di 8.250, lagi 20% di 8250 juga... semua pake TA mbah ... Tidak gigit jari.. malah party besar ama V-trade members mbah hehehehe SV www.J-club.biz - Original Message - From: jsx_consultant To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS: Broker ANALYSYS + INDEX SENIN NAIK PGAS 8250 +10,8 jam 09:51... Yang pake TECHNICAL terpaksa HARUS GIGIT JARI... Embah pake analisa NYALI, tapi embah harus akui TANGAN EMBAH GEMETAR BERAT ampe engga NULIS... hehehe Kalo maen model PASANG NYALI BEGINI ngelawan bandar, embah bisa umur pendek JADI JANGAN DICONTOH !!! engga baek buat kesehatan - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
Too much love will kill you. Too many rumors will bankrupt you. James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya dapat rumour bahwa PGAS juga harus membayar denda ke COPI akibat keterlambatan pipa SSWJ tersebut. Ada yang bisa klarifikasi apakah rumour ini akurat? Regards, On 1/16/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PGAS memang ambil profitnya dari toll fee tapi mereka juga membeli gas dari producers. Saya nggak tahu apakah mereka membelinya dengan fixed price (normal untuk domestic market) atau link to crude price (international standard). Kalau fixed price, tentunya mereka punya kontrak long term. Pricing yang mereka beli dan pricing yang mereka tentukan ke customer, memberikan profit tambahan selain bisnis pipelinenya. Masalahnya adalah bila supplier gas seperti ConocoPhilips, Pertamina atau lainnya kehabisan gas 20 tahun mendatang, maka bisnis pipa PGAS tinggal jadi besi bekas. Ini yang perlu dan harus dipikirkan manajemen PGAS kalau mereka memiliki pemikiran business as a going concern. Kalau nggak, sahamnya nggak bisa diwarisi tuh ... hehehe On 1/16/07, Fadel Akbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hati2.. Beli barang kayak PGAS.. mereka hanya perusahaan trading bukan yang eksplorasi jadi untungnya dari margin gak ada yang lain.. atau paling untung kurs (tapi agak kurang memungkinkan karena pasarnya dalam negeri bukan ekspor seperti MEDC dan Pertamina). Jadi kalau dikasi kuota tuh barangnya, PGAS bisa mampus.. Jadi batal deh proyek2nya..istilah keuangannya not feasible anymore.. gitu bos.. Mending langsung beli yang jelas2 produksi kayak MEDC, tapi hati2 juga karena duitnya gak jelas masuk ke MEDC lagi atau ke Mr. AP Gitu aja bos.. Beli lah barang BUMN yang benar2 bagus..atau swasta yang GCG nya lebih bener.. bukan berarti swasta lebih baik daripada BUMN karena ingat saja ketika krisis yang ancur malah swasta dan bukan BUMN.. Jadi kalau para bandar masih rasional yang harus dipegang adalah BUMN yang bagus..yang benar2 bagus.. gitu aja comment dari saya.. Mohon maap kalau ada salah2 kate ye.. Terima kasih FA (Fundamental Analyst) --- bobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: buy now! AzRuL wrote: PGAS released form Suspend.. - Original Message - *From:* adi kiswoyo mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS VALUATION embag, saya mau beli pags gmana apa udah boleh beli nanti begitu suspensi di buka ? sya sempat nyangkut 2 lot. 1 lot di 11750 1 lot di 11150. waktu itu ngak kepikiran di jual karena saya percaya seperti embah bahwa secara fundamental bagus. tapi gak sangka bandar tega benar nich hancurin saham sampai melorot kayak begini. jadi saran dari embah gmana nich sebelum dan sesudahnya saya ucapkan terima kasih. salam, adi kiswoyo pengagum, pengikut dan juga murid embah. */rivan man [EMAIL PROTECTED] /* wrote: wah PGAS lg PGAS lg ...oh ya untuk para sesepuh dan para senior jg Embah Happy New Year ya...kalo pendapatku tentang PGAS...kalo menurutku saham yang paling badung atau bandel tp jg salah satu saham yang paling perkasa ini pendapatku...kenapa paling perkasa kalo dak salah sebelum ada tentang divestasi ini mm thn brp 2005 apa 2006 pernah ada yang mendowngrade pgas jg kalo dak salah dari lv 12rb apa 11rb ya rada lupa aku walau di downgrade pada saat itu tp PGAS ke lv 8rb an,tetap aja bisa menyentuh lv 13rb lg dan belum lama ini pgas dari 12rb apa 11700 aku rada lupa pernah jg di turunkan ke 10100-10200 tp tetap jg si PGAS bisa meyentuh lv 12rb lg sudah beberp kali PGAS mengalami gelombang spt ini sebelumnya tp tetap saja si PGAS bisa berjalan menyentuh lg2 12rb nah jadi tidak heran kalo PGAS spt skr ini ada gelombang yang dasyat dari 12rb malah sampe 7400 nth besok walaupun kemana si PGAS PGAS di datangi badai2 tetap PGAS yang bisa menahan gelombang atau badaijadi tidak heran dan tidak aneh tentang saham yang satu ini si PGAS...sm spt halnya Emas kalo mau jadi Emas harus di lebur dulu dengan bara atau api yang panas baru bisa menjadi Emas dan skr PGAS mengalami sakit atau badai dikrnkan yang saya lihat dari report2 broker2 yang ada tidak lain tentang FA nya dan saya percaya pasti ada treatment nya dan pemerintah tidak akan tinggal diam menurut saya,dikrnkan PGAS salah satu saham BUMN pemerintah dan lg indikasi keberhasilan pemerintah berada salah satunya di pasarmodal.ini hanya sekedar pendapat dari saya.Good Luck Having Gain. God Bless U Rvn */Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Justru musti diguyur ampe mentok biar sepi dan serem... lihat aja.. begitu diangkat dikit ke 7750 volume langsung membeludak On 1/15/07, *Karno Edy* [EMAIL
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
hehehe. Indonesia's gas reserves should last 30 years in averagewhile monetizing rate for it now only less than 17%...compared to TIN reserves which will be vanished in 2 or three years, or oil which will be emptied in 10 years...this RESOURCES (PGAS) company still has a brighter outlook... It is a gas distributor, but is is the monopoly holder... The problem now is how the company can cope with the confidence or trust problems from market participants, soon it is settled, there should be no overhang anymore... valuationI would love or more than happy to buy PGAS at any level below IDR8,000Target price..? in bullish scenario, where everything is going on smoothly, including the political will of the government, PGAS still has a big chance to hit IDR17,000 in 12-month based on GGM, but on normal scenario..its fair value should be at around IDR10,000. disclaimer on... cheers Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gas untuk SSWJ masih panjang pak.. 17 tahun dan 20 tahun... makanya valuasi bisa mahal seperti itu.. Rata-rata kontrak PGAS seumur pipanya. cuman itu yang saya bisa konfirmasi On 1/17/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sekedar koreksi, bukan diterminate pak tapi kontrak expire. Selain itu PGAS harus mulai mikir dari mana dia bisa cari pengganti gas diproduksi sekarang terutama yang dari Sumatera. Kalau nggak business-nya nggak sustainable seperti ketika tahun 2005 mereka kekurangan supply gas dari Kangean yang mengakibatkan mereka pusing tujuh keliling karena banyak demand tapi nggak ada supply On 1/17/07, Fadel Akbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perusahaan yang baik berdasarkan analisa fundamental adalah perusahaan yang memiliki going concern (sustainable growth). Kalau kayak PGAS yang akan di-terminate misalkan kata Mr. James 20 tahun lagi atau pasokan gas nya aja gak jelas karena berbagai kasus yang terjadi di Indonesia sehingga terganggu going concern-nya maka mengindikasikan harus hati2 buat yang megang PGAS. Perusahaan di Amerika (walau kita ceritanya di Indonesia nh) butuh inovasi ataupun akuisisi dan merger untuk going concern sehingga meningkatkan nilainya. Dan sepertinya hal ini gak mungkin akan kejadian di PGAS yang regulasinya aja njelimet. (PGAS gak mungkin akuisisi perusahaan minyak dan gas apalagi Pertamina wong dulu Pertamina induknya bukan? Tapi bisa aja terjadi kasus seperti itu ketika salah satu BUMN yang kecil mengakuisisi yang besar pada tahun 95an. Nb: ada yang ingat gak?kalo ingat tak kasih permen..hehehe) Kenaikan harga PGAS menurut saya terdorong oleh karena akan adanya divestasi susulan. Pegang atau Lepas? Investor or trader? Hidup adalah pilihan bukan? Seperti biasa.. Mohon maap kalo ada salah2 kate ye.. FA (Fundamental Analyst) --- Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too much love will kill you. Too many rumors will bankrupt you. James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya dapat rumour bahwa PGAS juga harus membayar denda ke COPI akibat keterlambatan pipa SSWJ tersebut. Ada yang bisa klarifikasi apakah rumour ini akurat? Regards, On 1/16/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PGAS memang ambil profitnya dari toll fee tapi mereka juga membeli gas dari producers. Saya nggak tahu apakah mereka membelinya dengan fixed price (normal untuk domestic market) atau link to crude price (international standard). Kalau fixed price, tentunya mereka punya kontrak long term. Pricing yang mereka beli dan pricing yang mereka tentukan ke customer, memberikan profit tambahan selain bisnis pipelinenya. Masalahnya adalah bila supplier gas seperti ConocoPhilips, Pertamina atau lainnya kehabisan gas 20 tahun mendatang, maka bisnis pipa PGAS tinggal jadi besi bekas. Ini yang perlu dan harus dipikirkan manajemen PGAS kalau mereka memiliki pemikiran business as a going concern. Kalau nggak, sahamnya nggak bisa diwarisi tuh ... hehehe On 1/16/07, Fadel Akbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hati2.. Beli barang kayak PGAS.. mereka hanya perusahaan trading bukan yang eksplorasi jadi untungnya dari margin gak ada yang lain.. atau paling untung kurs (tapi agak kurang memungkinkan karena pasarnya dalam negeri bukan ekspor seperti MEDC dan Pertamina). Jadi kalau dikasi kuota tuh barangnya, PGAS bisa mampus.. Jadi batal deh proyek2nya..istilah keuangannya not feasible anymore.. gitu bos.. Mending langsung beli yang jelas2 produksi kayak MEDC, tapi hati2 juga karena duitnya gak jelas masuk ke MEDC lagi atau ke Mr. AP Gitu aja bos.. Beli lah barang BUMN yang benar2 bagus..atau swasta yang GCG nya lebih bener.. bukan berarti swasta lebih baik daripada BUMN karena ingat saja ketika krisis yang ancur malah swasta dan bukan BUMN.. Jadi kalau para bandar masih rasional yang harus dipegang adalah BUMN yang bagus..yang benar2 bagus.. gitu aja comment dari saya.. Mohon maap kalau
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
EXACTLY Agus Partono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Setelah 20 th ke depan??? Jualan besi dan pipa bekas... Apakah anda bisa pula bayangkan apa yg akan dilakukan oleh BP, ExxonMobil, Chevron dlm 20 th ke depan??? Tapi kenapa skr orang2 masih menghargai premium stocknya? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Khan saya memang bilang kontraknya 20 tahun, yang saya masalahkan setelah itu karena prinsip harus going concern artinya PGAS sudah harus mikir mau apa 20 tahun mendatang. On 1/17/07, Halim Mintareja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WARNING: STAY OUT OF THE MARKET !!!! (1703)
heheheheFYI, they who sold equity portfolios (in the past four sessions) due to 3-month hedge fund maturities MAY return to emerging markets, including jakarta soon...(today, maybe). if u feel threatened, please wait until it (main index) is moving steady...1545 Indonesia time on Friday may be best time for those long thinkers for a buy. disclaimer fully on Wiro Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Siap mbah! udah pegang cash sejak kmrn, telat sih :( Telat cutloss sungguh menyakitkan, terus terang saya belajar banyak dari jatuhnya index, jauh lebih banyak daripada yang bisa dipelajari di BUKU :-D Kalimat di market wizards tergiang2: if you dont want to take small losses, sooner or later you will take the mother of all losses. Disiplin cut loss is a must, tapi dalam praktek sungguh sulit dilakukan. On 1/11/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Kalo soal Rupiah, inflasi, suku bunga lebih baik diJAWAB oleh para Fundamentalis, mereka yang ber COMPETENT Embah sebagai bandarmologist bekerja SEPERTI para technicalist: - Para technicalist hanya memerlukan DATA HARGA+VOLUME dan 'TIDAK PERDULI' dengan data Fundamental. Mereka beranggapan data Fundamental sudah TERCOVER pada HARGA TRANSAKSI sehari hari yg terjadi. - Begitu juga bandarmologist, ia cukup memperhatikan PERILAKU PEMAIN BESAR. PEMAIN BESAR tentunya punya tenaga analis yang COMPETENT untuk memprediksi Rupiah, inflasi dan suku bunga dan tentunya para BOSS juga punya TENAGA TECHNICAL YG HANDAL. - Kita cukup memperhatikan TINGKAH LAKU MEREKA dipasar... INTINYA: Let them do their analysis, we just DO THE SAME THING that THE BIG PLAYERS DO based on their analyst's finding... Dari perilaku mereka akhir akhir ini, embah menyimpulkan: - Untuk SEMENTARA , SANGAT BERAT untuk mengangkat IHSG dengan rekor2 baru mengingat JUMLAH BARANG YANG BEGITU BANYAK YANG SUDAH DIDUMP ke market !!!. - Jadi para BANDAR akan mencari GAIN dengan mengambil kembali PROFIT yang SUDAH anda PEROLEH ketika market BULLISH tahun lalu... Kesimpulan: - KEEP YOUR MONEY NEAR BIJI P*LER !!! , So NOBODY can take your money... - Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] rounding number 1700
hehehehe...how about 900...? Hotma Sirait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: next stop will be 1700 before it's goes down deep as mr. ian say i quess (all disclaimer is on) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] rounding number 1700
well... the fall of the main index today was mostly due to misunderstanding about what is happening in Thailand. The Thai government limits foreign ownership to 50% in telecommunication and (agricultural) companies that are vital and related with its nation's security. Indonesia has so far applied this policy and foreign funds have so far can abide by this without complaining..(hehe). so..? based on charting, it remains within the so-called trend in trend...the pull back may cause a rounding of 100 points of losses..so, any fall below 1760, can still be termed as correction. but below 1,600 is a panic selling which is more unlikely as based on the fund flow manegement, at that level of index, funds as big as American CALPERs would have already lost 30% of its equity portfolio...would they be just sitting and singing for the losses..? i don't think so...so, tomorrow will be the judgement day...if the main index manages to rebound...then...there is nothing to worry hope the above helps... best, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wie Sie sind, Sir? die lange keine Zeit sehen. any comment mr.schubert ? is it time to collect ? danke, Frederick Schubert wrote: hehehehe...how about 900...? Hotma Sirait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: next stop will be 1700 before it's goes down deep as mr. ian say i quess (all disclaimer is on) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] rounding number 1700
welll...i just wanna remind you that foreign funds portfolio on jakarta bourse is only 30% of the total caps of around $120 billion so, let's dream the worst case..if they sold out the 30% (which is VERY impossible indeed) the main index COULD fall as much as 534 points or to 1246this level is even better than the closing level of 2005 of 1162...which means that the jakarta bourse could grow withoutTHEM... the problem is that there is a CYCLICALl period when the hedge funds should return to their TRUSTY (in U.S.) every January 15 The number, howvere, is less than $2 billion... If Indonesia's investment weigting is 0.4%...so, you can calculate yourself how much hedge funds left to be withdrawn...BUT, the most interested thing is that whenever they roll out the hedge fund and return to Indonesia for program buying...what would analysts say..? they would say Indonesia's economy is improving...hehehehehe disclaimer on... cheers Handoyo Gozali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any commend, Uncle Schubert ? Dana asing di bursa Asia diduga hengkang ke AS JAKARTA: Pemodal asing mengurangi dananya di bursa saham Asia Pasifik dan diduga mengalihkan portofolionya ke bursa AS dan Eropa. Akibatnya, dana asing yang parkir di sebagian bursa kawasan Asia berkurang drastis pada dua hari terakhir perdagangan. Sentimen negatif itu dipicu oleh lontaran rencana pembatasan modal di Thailand. Data Bloomberg menunjukkan dana asing yang parkir di Bursa Efek Jakarta Jakarta (BEJ) berkurang US$29 juta dalam sehari perdagangan kemarin, turun 53,9% dibandingkan periode sama tahun lalu. Kondisi serupa juga terjadi di bursa Korea Selatan, Thailand, dan Taiwan yang nilai investasi asingnya turun masing-masing US$247,5 juta (-386,2%), US$50 juta (-76,4%), dan US$36,3 juta (-104,4%). Analis PT Andalan Artha Advisindo Sekuritas (AAA Securities) Bagus Hananto menilai pemodal global kemungkinan masih menyimpan sentimen negatif terhadap pasar Asia setelah ada lontaran kebijakan pembatasan modal Thailand. Akibatnya, penjualan yang lebih besar dibandingkan pembelian (net selling) oleh pemodal asing menghantam bursa yang diikuti profit taking oleh investor domestik. Kemarin, investor asing membukukan net selling Rp262 miliar. Indeks harga saham gabungan (IHSG) di BEJ langsung terbanting 32,5 poin atau turun 1,79% ke posisi 1.780,88. Koreksi indeks karena profit taking kemarin masih sehat, mengingat indeks naik terlalu tinggi sejak Juni 2005 yang naik 48,7% dari 1.234 ke 1.843, tuturnya kemarin. Penurunan indeks, lanjut dia, dipicu oleh sentimen global terkait prospek perekonomian Amerika, yang diikuti investor domestik untuk membukukan gain. Profit taking kemarin menimpa Bursa Efek Jakarta dan bursa Hong Kong sehingga indeks harga saham keduanya menurun drastis di tengah peningkatan indeks saham bursa lainnya. Bagus memperkirakan pada perdagangan hari ini, investor akan melakukan pembelian pascakoreksi (buy on weakness) sehingga membuka potensi pembalikan arah indeks (rebound). Indeks akan bergerak di kisaran 1.770 hingga 1.815. Menurut dia, price to earning ratio (P/E) BEJ masih menjanjikan hingga akhir tahun nanti yang ditopang fundamental makroekonomi. Faktor P/E BEJ yang diperkirakan tinggi tak serta-merta membuat investor asing hengkang. Oleh Arif Gunawan S. Bisnis Indonesia - Original Message - From: Frederick Schubert To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] rounding number 1700 well... the fall of the main index today was mostly due to misunderstanding about what is happening in Thailand. The Thai government limits foreign ownership to 50% in telecommunication and (agricultural) companies that are vital and related with its nation's security. Indonesia has so far applied this policy and foreign funds have so far can abide by this without complaining..(hehe). so..? based on charting, it remains within the so-called trend in trend...the pull back may cause a rounding of 100 points of losses..so, any fall below 1760, can still be termed as correction. but below 1,600 is a panic selling which is more unlikely as based on the fund flow manegement, at that level of index, funds as big as American CALPERs would have already lost 30% of its equity portfolio...would they be just sitting and singing for the losses..? i don't think so...so, tomorrow will be the judgement day...if the main index manages to rebound...then...there is nothing to worry hope the above helps... best, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wie Sie sind, Sir? die lange keine Zeit sehen. any comment mr.schubert ? is it time to collect ? danke, Frederick Schubert wrote: hehehehe...how about 900...? Hotma Sirait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: next stop will be 1700 before it's goes down deep as mr. ian say i quess
RE: [obrolan-bandar] TARGET TINS 24000???
hehehehehehehehehehe.nice pak sudes.. Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:yang jelas...untuk saat ini... bandar TINS patut diberi predikat lulus dengan predikat SUMMA CUM LAUDE bandar PTBA patut diberi predikat tidak lulus dengan nilai E- (E minus) ^^ hehehe ^^ canda ^^ -Original Message- From: Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 Januari 2007 12:11 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TARGET TINS 24000??? jadi TINS tunggu ke 5000? maap boss, gw gak ngarti yg begitu2an .. tau nya cuan ajaa ..beli di berapa enaknya? On 1/3/07, EKA SUWANDANA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cadangan TIN di BANGKA 7 tahun utk tambang permukaan (selanjutnya deep mining, cost naik berlipat2 ), yg di Belitung diatas 10 tahun. Jadi bedanya beli TINS dgn beli ANTM/INCO (deposit diatas 30 tahun, utk surface mining), Beli TINS seperti beli APARTEMEN 'HAK SEWA' 7 tahun (banyak kan developer jualan apartemen 'hak sewa 30 tahun!) , anda beli masih bisa dikontrakan dan cuan, tapi beli INCO/ANTM seperti beli rumah mahal mewah bisa dikontrakan 30 tahun dan diwariskan ke anak (utk saham tambang deposit 30 tahun depresiasi masih kecil). Sayang sekali pak kalo INCO anda dijual diharga 3, dgn hitungan sederhana seperti yg anda lakukan INCO EPS ada dikisaran 5 USD/lembar. INCO output produksi tahun 2007 berkurang 7 % dari 72000ton. ANTM juga sama, proyek TAYAN di tahun 2008-2009 belum pada dihitung bandar, sedangkan proyek PLTU BANJARSARI/ BANKO yg 2011-2012 sudah dihitung bandar PTBA, dgn semua risetnya bandar bilang bakal Rp5000. Belilah saham sebelum bandar menghitung proyek baru! bello lee yung_stocks@ yahoo.co.id wrote: Hari ini tgl 2 Jan 2007, TINS naik Rp 1200, menjadi Rp 5625,-/saham. Harga timah di LME $11895,-/ton. TINS masih murah, target Rp 24000,-/ saham. Saya membuat riset sederhana PT. Timah Tbk untuk tahun 2007. Berdasarkan harga timah yang terus melambung, harga on the spot USD 11320/ tgl 21 dec 06.(menurut para ahli, harga Timah akan mencapai USD13000 -USD15000 ).Estimasi produksi th 2007 =45000 ton. Harga TINS Rp 3800,/saham/tgl 21 Dec 06 Dengan harga timah USD 13000 (averageUSD 11000 ) Maka PT Timah akan menerima berkah sebesar 45000 ton x ( USD 11000 - USD 8250 ) x Rp 9000 (kurs USD)=Rp 1113,75 milyar. Padahal dengan harga USD 8250 PT Timah sudah membukukan laba bersih untuk 3Q'06 sebesar Rp 61 milyar. Jadi menurut perkiraan saya untuk tahun 2007 PT Timah akan membukukan laba bersih mencapai lebih dari Rp 1200 milyar (Rp 1113.75 m + Rp 61 m (3Q'06) + 4Q'06 + pembelian yang lebih murah dari TI ). EPS PT timah lebih dari Rp 2385 (total saham 503 juta lembar). Dengan membandingkan P/E pertambangan di BEJ yang diatas 10X , maka harga Wajar saham PT Timah Rp 24000,- Ingat harga semua logam naik tajam, hanya timah yang baru naik,yang disebabkan Banyaknya timah yang diselundupkan. Dengan harga timah hari ini mencapai USD 11320 (LME ), maka PT Timah akan sehat Kembali. Semua saham INCO dan ANTM saya jual untuk di tukar dengan TINS yang upsidenya besar sekali. INCO beli Rp 13000 jual Rp3, ANTM beli Rp 2600 jual Rp 8050,-. Cadangan timah di Bangka Belitung tidak akan habis 20 tahun, jadi jangan kuatir. Beli sekarang, jual akhir tahun 2007 di Rp 24000,- untuk yang trader beli makin lama makin mahal , hasil tidak maksimal,atau kehilangan barang. Happy New Year ! God Bless You ! - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Pls comment ?.....RE: [obrolan-bandar] TARGET TINS 24000???
welll. I am still afraid with TINS' reserves.its P1 and P2 reserves is hard to be that publicly accountable. anyway, investment is yours.. The company is even find difficulty to meet a supply of more than 10 tons of white tin a month... Above all..TII...or This Is Indonesiaif regulation is strictly uphold for illegal miners...TINS may be attractive for a very short term favor best regards... Investor Bonex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Artinya apa nih Mr ? dari hitung2an saya yg sederhana, setiap kenaikan harga timah USD500/MT, akan memberikan kontribusi EPS sekitar IDR 400. So, jika avrg harga timah di USD 10,000/MT, fair value TINS sekitar 10.000 an. Your comment is appreciated. Rgds Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehehehehehehehehe.nice pak sudes.. Sudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yang jelas...untuk saat ini... bandar TINS patut diberi predikat lulus dengan predikat SUMMA CUM LAUDE bandar PTBA patut diberi predikat tidak lulus dengan nilai E- (E minus) ^^ hehehe ^^ canda ^^ -Original Message- From: Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 Januari 2007 12:11 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TARGET TINS 24000??? jadi TINS tunggu ke 5000? maap boss, gw gak ngarti yg begitu2an .. tau nya cuan ajaa ..beli di berapa enaknya? On 1/3/07, EKA SUWANDANA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cadangan TIN di BANGKA 7 tahun utk tambang permukaan (selanjutnya deep mining, cost naik berlipat2 ), yg di Belitung diatas 10 tahun. Jadi bedanya beli TINS dgn beli ANTM/INCO (deposit diatas 30 tahun, utk surface mining), Beli TINS seperti beli APARTEMEN 'HAK SEWA' 7 tahun (banyak kan developer jualan apartemen 'hak sewa 30 tahun!) , anda beli masih bisa dikontrakan dan cuan, tapi beli INCO/ANTM seperti beli rumah mahal mewah bisa dikontrakan 30 tahun dan diwariskan ke anak (utk saham tambang deposit 30 tahun depresiasi masih kecil). Sayang sekali pak kalo INCO anda dijual diharga 3, dgn hitungan sederhana seperti yg anda lakukan INCO EPS ada dikisaran 5 USD/lembar. INCO output produksi tahun 2007 berkurang 7 % dari 72000ton. ANTM juga sama, proyek TAYAN di tahun 2008-2009 belum pada dihitung bandar, sedangkan proyek PLTU BANJARSARI/ BANKO yg 2011-2012 sudah dihitung bandar PTBA, dgn semua risetnya bandar bilang bakal Rp5000. Belilah saham sebelum bandar menghitung proyek baru! bello lee yung_stocks@ yahoo.co.id wrote: Hari ini tgl 2 Jan 2007, TINS naik Rp 1200, menjadi Rp 5625,-/saham. Harga timah di LME $11895,-/ton. TINS masih murah, target Rp 24000,-/ saham. Saya membuat riset sederhana PT. Timah Tbk untuk tahun 2007. Berdasarkan harga timah yang terus melambung, harga on the spot USD 11320/ tgl 21 dec 06.(menurut para ahli, harga Timah akan mencapai USD13000 -USD15000 ).Estimasi produksi th 2007 =45000 ton. Harga TINS Rp 3800,/saham/tgl 21 Dec 06 Dengan harga timah USD 13000 (averageUSD 11000 ) Maka PT Timah akan menerima berkah sebesar 45000 ton x ( USD 11000 - USD 8250 ) x Rp 9000 (kurs USD)=Rp 1113,75 milyar. Padahal dengan harga USD 8250 PT Timah sudah membukukan laba bersih untuk 3Q'06 sebesar Rp 61 milyar. Jadi menurut perkiraan saya untuk tahun 2007 PT Timah akan membukukan laba bersih mencapai lebih dari Rp 1200 milyar (Rp 1113.75 m + Rp 61 m (3Q'06) + 4Q'06 + pembelian yang lebih murah dari TI ). EPS PT timah lebih dari Rp 2385 (total saham 503 juta lembar). Dengan membandingkan P/E pertambangan di BEJ yang diatas 10X , maka harga Wajar saham PT Timah Rp 24000,- Ingat harga semua logam naik tajam, hanya timah yang baru naik,yang disebabkan Banyaknya timah yang diselundupkan. Dengan harga timah hari ini mencapai USD 11320 (LME ), maka PT Timah akan sehat Kembali. Semua saham INCO dan ANTM saya jual untuk di tukar dengan TINS yang upsidenya besar sekali. INCO beli Rp 13000 jual Rp3, ANTM beli Rp 2600 jual Rp 8050,-. Cadangan timah di Bangka Belitung tidak akan habis 20 tahun, jadi jangan kuatir. Beli sekarang, jual akhir tahun 2007 di Rp 24000,- untuk yang trader beli makin lama makin mahal , hasil tidak maksimal,atau kehilangan barang. Happy New Year ! God Bless You ! - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785)
come on.. oentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely right Banyaknya jam terbang yg membuat Beliau tetap KONSISTEN... Saya bangga punya Guru seperti Embah Padahal setelah saya melihat GOCEK2an BOZZ jadi IlFil (ilang feeling) mo terus ngikuti Mbah kalau planned agenda memang ada UPAYA utk nurunin indeks plus Stocks Mover... Prediksi Suhu IAN khan memberi KODE adanya gejala ROUNDING TOP buat saham2 tertentu yg sudah TINGGI sekalian indeksnya Kalau minjem istilah Mbah adalah Back to the previous LOW Low yg mana? Kelihatannya pd hasil koreksi di bulan Mei... Ini kelihatan pada BLTA sama KLBF yg sudah duluan, dan kelihatan akan diikuti INDF dkk. Padahal sebelumnya Suhu IAN BERHASIL menuntaskan Indeks BEJ dg rounding bottom-nya Sekarang beliau ditantang oleh market utk rounding top? Siapa yg always right? Suhu IAN atau marketnya? Atau BOZZ sang Seniman...atau yg lain??? Disinilah tantangan buat temen2 TA Trader utk menganalisa gejala tersebut pada portfolio masing2. Pada kondisi beginilah saya sering KAGUM terhadap TA, apakah kebetulan belaka? Atau memangby design? ButWho? Nah kalau bicara target utk main indeks dikaitkan dengan alasan di atas bisa jadi 1450 Suhu IAN akan tercapai!? Yg jelas bagi saya mau rounding top, rounding bottom, round number, dll...silahkan. Yg penting kita semua terus dapat PEMBELAJARAN dari kondisi bursa yg terus BERUBAH ini. Saat mata terbuka lebar PUN saya tidak bisa melihat apa-apa ZATOICHI regards - Original Message - From: Danny Liza Lau To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785) BEAR memang selalu datang di saat yang tepat, yaitu saat kebanyakan orang sudah tidak berani lagi ngomong BEAR (kecuali Embah, lho). Kayaknya kali ini valid nih. Sudah ada yang bisa ngitung target turunnya index? 1600? 1500? 1400? More? - Original Message - From: jsx_consultant To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785) Running today's LOW = 1743 atau MINUS 42 point dari FA alias Feeling Analysis --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant consultant@ wrote: A REMINDER !!! 11:32 IHSG -20 di 1767 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant consultant@ wrote: Pak Schubert, Embah pake FA (Feeling analysis), merasakan PERGERAKAN HARGA sudah TIDAK normal... Mungkin saatnya LIBUR dan RELAXASI... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, oentoeng_q wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert wrote: Anything more from the EL Wave..? any other charting? any confirmation? still trend in trend...rite? TLKM and main index will follow TRUB and CPRO? Break all time high mister Frederick, next week maybe...??? - Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. __ NOD32 1926 (20061218) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
