RE: [obsnw] Re: Fibre solution for Observatory

[Patrick Chapple]

Talk is cheap Trevor. Vuma use overhead lines...

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Trevor Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, 27 June 2017 5:38 PM
To: Mark Neville 
Cc: The Observatory Neighbourhood Watch 
Subject: Re: [obsnw] Re: Fibre solution for Observatory

Well talk is cheap Mark

What I can tell you from firsthand observation and interaction with the 
contractors doing the trenching is that the pavement may look ok after they 
have tarred it but it is going to sag as they are not prepared to fix any of 
the broken drainage pipes. After the heavy rain storm on the infamous 
Wednesday, just about tall the drain pipes in Howe Street showed signs of 
leakage and sinkholes (mini little ones) The contractor has just piled up the 
gravel again and will compact and tar.

The leaks are still there and will causing sagging in the pavement.

Just have a look at the pavements were DFA/Plessey/Neotel ravaged then years 
ago. The sagging is bad and there were no obviously visible leaking pipes.

Good enough for government work still holds true no matter what Councilor 
Chapple may guarantee or may have been gaurenteed. He is part of government 
after all.

Trev



On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Mark Neville  wrote:
> A few weeks ago I met with two representatives of Vumatel
> (vumatel.co.za) about their company's plans to install optic fibre cables in 
> Observatory.
> They asked for a meeting in my capacity as Ward 57 committee member.
>
> Here's what I leant:
>
> Vuma (as they prefer to call it) is a private company that specialises
> in installing and operating 'FTTH' (Fibre To The Home') optic fibre networks.
> It has been very active in Johannesburg for few years, and has
> recently laid cables in the Seapoint area and the City Bowl. It has a
> fairly good industry reputation, and seems to know what its doing. The
> owners have private + debt funding (R3bn from Standard Bank I believe).
>
> Vuma's normal approach is lay optic fibre cables in ducts under the
> ground, and extend this to individual homes on the request of the home
> owner, or an ISP acting on the owner's behalf. But in Observatory they
> intend to string cable between the electricity poles. A different company 
> called 'Fibrehoods'
> came to an agreement with the City a few months back to do this
> anywhere in Cape Town where there are suitable electricity poles; Vuma
> recently bought Fibrehoods and so have gained the rights to do this.
>
> Vuma's marketing approach is to try and get as many people as possible
> to "commit" to their service in advance; the flyers though our
> letterboxes are an effort to achieve this. They push for a non-binding
> "commitment" as an indication that sufficient members of a given
> community are potentially interested in their service, and then expect
> to "convert" at least 30% of the homes to fibre within a six month period.
>
> If you're not clear, then the advantages of using optic fibre cables
> are
> that: (1) optic fibres have far more capacity than Telkom copper
> cables (though few people can afford to use the capacity they are
> capable of delivering). This is what most of us think of as "speed" or
> Megabits per second or Mbps or just "megs"; (2) optic fibre cable has
> much lower levels of attenuation or signal strength loss; and (3)
> exhibits lower latency or "time delay" in sending a bit of digital data 
> between you and where ever.
> Last (4) its not subject to electromagnetic interference, or affected
> by the weather. And it's pretty robust and stable -- it doesn't need
> much in the way of maintenance unless it gets broken.
>
> There are a few issues with the Vuma model that people should be aware
> of, if they are thinking about using the service. These won't matter
> to most people, but are worth documenting for the record.
>
> First, Vuma says that it is an 'open access' infrastructure provider.
> This means that it owns the optic fibre network, and lets ISPs use it
> to deliver an Internet service to you at your home. Vuma charges the
> ISP for the use of its optic fibre, and the ISP passes this charge on
> to you (the end user) along with the cost of the data that you use up.
> But its not really an infrastructure provider; actually it's an access
> network provider, as it operates an active network service over the
> fibre in a neighbourhood, and controls the "speed" (actually capacity)
> of each connection. The ISP simply provides the Internet bandwidth;
> the ISP has no control over the access line speed or network performance. So 
> really you're becoming a customer of Vuma.
> If you have a problem with your service, you will have to talk to your
> ISP, who will then take it up with Vuma. Which puts you two steps away
> from the actual network operator.
>
> This is not a bad model; just that there is more to it than Vuma let
> on (at least to end users).
>
> 

Re: [obsnw] Re: Fibre solution for Observatory

[Graham Porter]

  
  
Excellent explanation
Mark, thank you!

On 27-06-2017 17:16, Mark Neville
  wrote:


  
A
few weeks ago I met with two representatives of Vumatel (vumatel.co.za) about their
company's plans to install optic fibre cables in
Observatory. They asked for a meeting in my capacity as Ward
57 committee member.

  
Here's what I leant:
  
  
  
  Vuma
(as they prefer to call it) is a private company that
specialises in installing and operating 'FTTH' (Fibre To The
Home') optic fibre networks. It has been very active in
Johannesburg for few years, and has recently laid cables in
the Seapoint area and the City Bowl. It has a fairly good
industry reputation, and seems to know what its doing. The
owners have private + debt funding (R3bn from Standard Bank
I believe).
  
  
  Vuma's
normal approach is lay optic fibre cables in ducts under the
ground, and extend this to individual homes on the request
of the home owner, or an ISP acting on the owner's behalf.
But in Observatory they intend to string cable between the
electricity poles. A different company called 'Fibrehoods'
came to an agreement with the City a few months back to do
this anywhere in Cape Town where there are suitable
electricity poles; Vuma recently bought Fibrehoods and so
have gained the rights to do this.
  
  
  Vuma's
marketing approach is to try and get as many people as
possible to "commit" to their service in advance; the flyers
though our letterboxes are an effort to achieve this. They
push for a non-binding "commitment" as an indication that
sufficient members of a given community are potentially
interested in their service, and then expect to "convert" at
least 30% of the homes to fibre within a six month period.
  
  
  If
you're not clear, then the advantages of using optic fibre
cables are that: (1) optic fibres have far more capacity
than Telkom copper cables (though few people can afford to
use the capacity they are capable of delivering). This is
what most of us think of as "speed" or Megabits per second
or Mbps or just "megs"; (2) optic fibre cable has much lower
levels of attenuation or signal strength loss; and (3)
exhibits lower latency or "time delay" in sending a bit of
digital data between you and where ever. Last (4) its not
subject to electromagnetic interference, or affected by the
weather. And it's pretty robust and stable -- it doesn't
need much in the way of maintenance unless it gets broken.
  
  
  There
are a few issues with the Vuma model that people should be
aware of, if they are thinking about using the service.
These won't matter to most people, but are worth documenting
for the record.
  
  
  First,
Vuma says that it is an 'open access' infrastructure
provider. This means that it owns the optic fibre network,
and lets ISPs use it to deliver an Internet service to you
at your home. Vuma charges the ISP for the use of its optic
fibre, and the ISP passes this charge on to you (the end
user) along with the cost of the data that you use up. But
its not really an infrastructure provider; actually it's an
access network provider, as it operates an active network
service over the fibre in a neighbourhood, and controls the
"speed" (actually capacity) of each connection. The ISP
simply provides the Internet bandwidth; the ISP has no
control over the access line speed or network performance.
So really you're becoming a customer of Vuma. If you have a
problem with your service, you will have to talk to your
ISP, who will then take it up with Vuma. Which puts you two
steps away from the actual network operator.
  
  
  This
is not a bad model; just that there is more to it than Vuma
let on (at least to end users).
  
  
  BTW,
Vuma will be "backhauling" the traffic from Observatory to
the ISPs using the City's Metro Area network between the
City's switching point at Salt River Fire Station and the
ISP peering point at Teraco in Newlands. Needless to say,
the City 

Re: [obsnw] Re: Fibre solution for Observatory

[Trevor Hughes]

Well talk is cheap Mark

What I can tell you from firsthand observation and interaction with
the contractors doing the trenching is that the pavement may look ok
after they have tarred it but it is going to sag as they are not
prepared to fix any of the broken drainage pipes. After the heavy rain
storm on the infamous Wednesday, just about tall the drain pipes in
Howe Street showed signs of leakage and sinkholes (mini little ones)
The contractor has just piled up the gravel again and will compact and
tar.

The leaks are still there and will causing sagging in the pavement.

Just have a look at the pavements were DFA/Plessey/Neotel ravaged then
years ago. The sagging is bad and there were no obviously visible
leaking pipes.

Good enough for government work still holds true no matter what
Councilor Chapple may guarantee or may have been gaurenteed. He is
part of government after all.

Trev



On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Mark Neville  wrote:
> A few weeks ago I met with two representatives of Vumatel (vumatel.co.za)
> about their company's plans to install optic fibre cables in Observatory.
> They asked for a meeting in my capacity as Ward 57 committee member.
>
> Here's what I leant:
>
> Vuma (as they prefer to call it) is a private company that specialises in
> installing and operating 'FTTH' (Fibre To The Home') optic fibre networks.
> It has been very active in Johannesburg for few years, and has recently laid
> cables in the Seapoint area and the City Bowl. It has a fairly good industry
> reputation, and seems to know what its doing. The owners have private + debt
> funding (R3bn from Standard Bank I believe).
>
> Vuma's normal approach is lay optic fibre cables in ducts under the ground,
> and extend this to individual homes on the request of the home owner, or an
> ISP acting on the owner's behalf. But in Observatory they intend to string
> cable between the electricity poles. A different company called 'Fibrehoods'
> came to an agreement with the City a few months back to do this anywhere in
> Cape Town where there are suitable electricity poles; Vuma recently bought
> Fibrehoods and so have gained the rights to do this.
>
> Vuma's marketing approach is to try and get as many people as possible to
> "commit" to their service in advance; the flyers though our letterboxes are
> an effort to achieve this. They push for a non-binding "commitment" as an
> indication that sufficient members of a given community are potentially
> interested in their service, and then expect to "convert" at least 30% of
> the homes to fibre within a six month period.
>
> If you're not clear, then the advantages of using optic fibre cables are
> that: (1) optic fibres have far more capacity than Telkom copper cables
> (though few people can afford to use the capacity they are capable of
> delivering). This is what most of us think of as "speed" or Megabits per
> second or Mbps or just "megs"; (2) optic fibre cable has much lower levels
> of attenuation or signal strength loss; and (3) exhibits lower latency or
> "time delay" in sending a bit of digital data between you and where ever.
> Last (4) its not subject to electromagnetic interference, or affected by the
> weather. And it's pretty robust and stable -- it doesn't need much in the
> way of maintenance unless it gets broken.
>
> There are a few issues with the Vuma model that people should be aware of,
> if they are thinking about using the service. These won't matter to most
> people, but are worth documenting for the record.
>
> First, Vuma says that it is an 'open access' infrastructure provider. This
> means that it owns the optic fibre network, and lets ISPs use it to deliver
> an Internet service to you at your home. Vuma charges the ISP for the use of
> its optic fibre, and the ISP passes this charge on to you (the end user)
> along with the cost of the data that you use up. But its not really an
> infrastructure provider; actually it's an access network provider, as it
> operates an active network service over the fibre in a neighbourhood, and
> controls the "speed" (actually capacity) of each connection. The ISP simply
> provides the Internet bandwidth; the ISP has no control over the access line
> speed or network performance. So really you're becoming a customer of Vuma.
> If you have a problem with your service, you will have to talk to your ISP,
> who will then take it up with Vuma. Which puts you two steps away from the
> actual network operator.
>
> This is not a bad model; just that there is more to it than Vuma let on (at
> least to end users).
>
> BTW, Vuma will be "backhauling" the traffic from Observatory to the ISPs
> using the City's Metro Area network between the City's switching point at
> Salt River Fire Station and the ISP peering point at Teraco in Newlands.
> Needless to say, the City charges them to do this. The trenching that is
> currently under way along the north side of LMR is to extend the City's
> optic fibre 

Re: [obsnw] Re: Fibre solution for Observatory

[Mark Neville]

A few weeks ago I met with two representatives of Vumatel (vumatel.co.za)
about their company's plans to install optic fibre cables in Observatory.
They asked for a meeting in my capacity as Ward 57 committee member.

Here's what I leant:

Vuma (as they prefer to call it) is a private company that specialises in
installing and operating 'FTTH' (Fibre To The Home') optic fibre networks.
It has been very active in Johannesburg for few years, and has recently
laid cables in the Seapoint area and the City Bowl. It has a fairly good
industry reputation, and seems to know what its doing. The owners have
private + debt funding (R3bn from Standard Bank I believe).

Vuma's normal approach is lay optic fibre cables in ducts under the ground,
and extend this to individual homes on the request of the home owner, or an
ISP acting on the owner's behalf. But in Observatory they intend to string
cable between the electricity poles. A different company called
'Fibrehoods' came to an agreement with the City a few months back to do
this anywhere in Cape Town where there are suitable electricity poles; Vuma
recently bought Fibrehoods and so have gained the rights to do this.

Vuma's marketing approach is to try and get as many people as possible to
"commit" to their service in advance; the flyers though our letterboxes are
an effort to achieve this. They push for a non-binding "commitment" as an
indication that sufficient members of a given community are potentially
interested in their service, and then expect to "convert" at least 30% of
the homes to fibre within a six month period.

If you're not clear, then the advantages of using optic fibre cables are
that: (1) optic fibres have far more capacity than Telkom copper cables
(though few people can afford to use the capacity they are capable of
delivering). This is what most of us think of as "speed" or Megabits per
second or Mbps or just "megs"; (2) optic fibre cable has much lower levels
of attenuation or signal strength loss; and (3) exhibits lower latency or
"time delay" in sending a bit of digital data between you and where ever.
Last (4) its not subject to electromagnetic interference, or affected by
the weather. And it's pretty robust and stable -- it doesn't need much in
the way of maintenance unless it gets broken.

There are a few issues with the Vuma model that people should be aware of,
if they are thinking about using the service. These won't matter to most
people, but are worth documenting for the record.

First, Vuma says that it is an 'open access' infrastructure provider. This
means that it owns the optic fibre network, and lets ISPs use it to deliver
an Internet service to you at your home. Vuma charges the ISP for the use
of its optic fibre, and the ISP passes this charge on to you (the end user)
along with the cost of the data that you use up. But its not really an
infrastructure provider; actually it's an access network provider, as it
operates an active network service over the fibre in a neighbourhood, and
controls the "speed" (actually capacity) of each connection. The ISP simply
provides the Internet bandwidth; the ISP has no control over the access
line speed or network performance. So really you're becoming a customer of
Vuma. If you have a problem with your service, you will have to talk to
your ISP, who will then take it up with Vuma. Which puts you two steps away
from the actual network operator.

This is not a bad model; just that there is more to it than Vuma let on (at
least to end users).

BTW, Vuma will be "backhauling" the traffic from Observatory to the ISPs
using the City's Metro Area network between the City's switching point at
Salt River Fire Station and the ISP peering point at Teraco in Newlands.
Needless to say, the City charges them to do this. The trenching that is
currently under way along the north side of LMR is to extend the City's
optic fibre network from Salt River through to Mowbray (though this work is
not directly related to the Vuma marketing push). This cable will be used
to connect up the Observatory library and the Metro Police Training
Academy. I have a commitment from the project manager that the contractor
will re-instate the whole pavement properly; this commitment has been made
to Paddy Chapel as well.

Second, stringing fibre on electricity poles is second-best to burying it
under the ground. It's much more likely to be damaged, and customers will
have a cable from their nearest pole to the roof of their house. More
clutter in the sky above our streets. But on the other hand, we won't have
the disruption of the every pavement being dug up to install the cable
ducts (at least, not by Vuma. See below.)

Third, and a consequence of point two: because Vuma is stringing its cables
from the electricity poles, it can't install big enough cables to run a
dedicated fibre pair to every house. Underground cables have 72 or 144
fibres per cable, so each house gets a dedicated pair. But aerial cables
this big are too heavy 

Re: [obsnw] Re: Fibre solution for Observatory

[Trevor Hughes]

SO I live in Howe and its currently being dug up and fibre laid -
apparently by the city - a few years ago the other side of Howe was
dug up for Neotel fibre . Dark Fibre Africa were the fibre guys and
the work was done by Plessey. Look how shitthe pavements are where
they retarred.

I see they are busy trenching in Lower Main Road - who is going to
benefit and why aren't the other companies like Vumatel piggy backing
and laying fibre in the same trenches

The pavements are going to look just as crap in three years time as DFA/Plessey.

Good enough for government work anyone?

If this fibre is city or telkom, can we expect them to give a hoot
about anyone but themselves?

Trev


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Colin Theobald  wrote:
> Yes I spoke to Mweb about that. The reason you got that email is because
> Openserve have one small part of Obs on their 'planned' coverage. It only
> appears to cover Strubens road from Durban road to just past Willow road
> (see http://www.openserve.co.za/open/fibre/). This is the only part of obs
> that is in the 'planned' Openserve schedule and it's been there for more
> than a year with nothing happening.
> Mweb's marketing system only 'sees' suburbs. Not the actual streets and
> addresses. So the sms went out to everyone in obs for which they have
> marketing contact details.
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Re: [obsnw] Re: Fibre solution for Observatory

[Colin Theobald]

Yes I spoke to Mweb about that. The reason you got that email is because 
Openserve have one small part of Obs on their 'planned' coverage. It only 
appears to cover Strubens road from Durban road to just past Willow road 
(see http://www.openserve.co.za/open/fibre/). This is the only part of obs 
that is in the 'planned' Openserve schedule and it's been there for more 
than a year with nothing happening.
Mweb's marketing system only 'sees' suburbs. Not the actual streets and 
addresses. So the sms went out to everyone in obs for which they have 
marketing contact details.

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Re: [obsnw] Re: Fibre solution for Observatory

[edwin angless]

Mweb sent me a mail recently to say they are also introducing fibre to Obs as 
soon as the cables which are currently being laid are active

> On 27 Jun 2017, at 14:55, Colin Theobald  wrote:
> 
> Cybersmart (Lightspeed) will never roll out fibre to free-standing houses in 
> Obs. They only do apartment blocks and business fibre. They say they do (and 
> put the whole of Cape Town in their coverage map as 'available') which leads 
> us to waste plenty of our time trying to get people to sign up. Meanwhile, 
> when you look at their actual active connections they have almost no 
> free-standing house installations anywhere.
> The reason this initiative of Vumatel is different is that we have been 
> allocated an actual target to reach on their system. This is a new 
> development. Previously, you could 'show your interest' and it would do 
> nothing. Also, Vumatel marketers have started putting fliers in everyone's 
> postboxes in Obs. 
> Thanks for signing up:-) Lets make this happen!
> 
> On Tuesday, 27 June 2017 14:34:23 UTC+2, Piers wrote:
> Hi Colin
> Thanks, we've also been looking but I got a similar response from Cybersmart 
> last year – they even sent a me a brochure to hand out to neighbours to 
> convince them to sign-up too.
> Just signed onto Vumatel, now at 22% with 612 more applications needed.
> Piers
> 
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 11:27:59 AM UTC+2, Colin Theobald wrote:
> I've been trying to get a fibre provider interest in our area for nearly five 
> years. Finally we seem to have some traction with Vumatel. 
> They have begun a proper feasibility study for our area, but 30% of the 
> households need to show interest.
> The other option would be Openserve (Telkom) but they still don't have most 
> of Observatory on their 'planned' schedule (only the south side up to the end 
> of Strubens road).
> Plus most packages from Openserve are around 30% more expensive than Vumatel.
> Please can I ask everyone to show their interest by filling out an extremely 
> short (2 mins max) non-binding survey at https://vumatel.co.za/show-interest 
> 
> We have hit 15% of our target in 24 hours. 
> However there are other suburbs being studied so we need to hit our target 
> before them to be in front of the queue.
> This has the potential to save most residents a lot of money. You won't need 
> any form of Telkom service and a lot of people can ditch their DSTV 
> subscriptions as well.
> Please, please, please show your interest on their website.
> Thank you.
> Colin
> 
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[obsnw] Re: Fibre solution for Observatory

[Colin Theobald]

Cybersmart (Lightspeed) will never roll out fibre to free-standing houses 
in Obs. They only do apartment blocks and business fibre. They say they do 
(and put the whole of Cape Town in their coverage map as 'available') which 
leads us to waste plenty of our time trying to get people to sign up. 
Meanwhile, when you look at their actual active connections they have 
almost no free-standing house installations anywhere.
The reason this initiative of Vumatel is different is that we have been 
allocated an actual target to reach on their system. This is a new 
development. Previously, you could 'show your interest' and it would do 
nothing. Also, Vumatel marketers have started putting fliers in everyone's 
postboxes in Obs. 
Thanks for signing up:-) Lets make this happen!

On Tuesday, 27 June 2017 14:34:23 UTC+2, Piers wrote:
>
> Hi Colin
> Thanks, we've also been looking but I got a similar response from 
> Cybersmart last year – they even sent a me a brochure to hand out to 
> neighbours to convince them to sign-up too.
> Just signed onto Vumatel, now at 22% with 612 more applications needed.
> Piers
>
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 11:27:59 AM UTC+2, Colin Theobald wrote:
>>
>> I've been trying to get a fibre provider interest in our area for nearly 
>> five years. Finally we seem to have some traction with Vumatel. 
>> They have begun a proper feasibility study for our area, but 30% of the 
>> households need to show interest.
>> The other option would be Openserve (Telkom) but they still don't have 
>> most of Observatory on their 'planned' schedule (only the south side up to 
>> the end of Strubens road).
>> Plus most packages from Openserve are around 30% more expensive than 
>> Vumatel.
>> Please can I ask everyone to show their interest by filling out an 
>> extremely short (2 mins max) non-binding survey at 
>> https://vumatel.co.za/show-interest
>> We have hit 15% of our target in 24 hours. 
>> However there are other suburbs being studied so we need to hit our 
>> target before them to be in front of the queue.
>> This has the potential to save most residents a lot of money. You won't 
>> need any form of Telkom service and a lot of people can ditch their DSTV 
>> subscriptions as well.
>> Please, please, please show your interest on their website.
>> Thank you.
>> Colin
>>
>>
>>

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[obsnw] Re: Fibre solution for Observatory

[Piers]

Hi Colin
Thanks, we've also been looking but I got a similar response from 
Cybersmart last year – they even sent a me a brochure to hand out to 
neighbours to convince them to sign-up too.
Just signed onto Vumatel, now at 22% with 612 more applications needed.
Piers

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 11:27:59 AM UTC+2, Colin Theobald wrote:
>
> I've been trying to get a fibre provider interest in our area for nearly 
> five years. Finally we seem to have some traction with Vumatel. 
> They have begun a proper feasibility study for our area, but 30% of the 
> households need to show interest.
> The other option would be Openserve (Telkom) but they still don't have 
> most of Observatory on their 'planned' schedule (only the south side up to 
> the end of Strubens road).
> Plus most packages from Openserve are around 30% more expensive than 
> Vumatel.
> Please can I ask everyone to show their interest by filling out an 
> extremely short (2 mins max) non-binding survey at 
> https://vumatel.co.za/show-interest
> We have hit 15% of our target in 24 hours. 
> However there are other suburbs being studied so we need to hit our target 
> before them to be in front of the queue.
> This has the potential to save most residents a lot of money. You won't 
> need any form of Telkom service and a lot of people can ditch their DSTV 
> subscriptions as well.
> Please, please, please show your interest on their website.
> Thank you.
> Colin
>
>
>

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[obsnw] Fibre solution for Observatory

[Colin Theobald]

I've been trying to get a fibre provider interest in our area for nearly 
five years. Finally we seem to have some traction with Vumatel. 
They have begun a proper feasibility study for our area, but 30% of the 
households need to show interest.
The other option would be Openserve (Telkom) but they still don't have most 
of Observatory on their 'planned' schedule (only the south side up to the 
end of Strubens road).
Plus most packages from Openserve are around 30% more expensive than 
Vumatel.
Please can I ask everyone to show their interest by filling out an 
extremely short (2 mins max) non-binding survey 
at https://vumatel.co.za/show-interest
We have hit 15% of our target in 24 hours. 
However there are other suburbs being studied so we need to hit our target 
before them to be in front of the queue.
This has the potential to save most residents a lot of money. You won't 
need any form of Telkom service and a lot of people can ditch their DSTV 
subscriptions as well.
Please, please, please show your interest on their website.
Thank you.
Colin


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