Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI Foundation

2021-05-26 Thread Reginald Beardsley via oi-dev 
 
I just want a way to contribute money to support OI/Illumos. TANSTAFL

I was going to suggest one of the commercial Illumos based companies managing 
OI specific work with whatever money was provided and taking a cut to offset 
the cost of managing it.

All I want it a way to provide $200-$250 USD/yr with proper accountability. I 
got shouted down when I suggested the idea 8-10 years ago by people who thought 
it should be "free". I was *not* suggesting anyone be forced to pay, simply 
that there be a way for those who want to contribute money to do that.

I'm a retired research scientist with a very strong preference for SunOS. No 
server farm, other users to support or business revenue. Just me. I value good 
support and professional polish in release images. And willing and able to pay. 
In my case, time is more precious than money.

Reg

 On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 05:01:38 PM CDT, Till Wegmueller 
 wrote:  
 
 Ok, Just a quick Info mail before everybody gets attached to things.

In the Maintainer call the founding of a Foundation/ or Rather 
Association has been discussed quite a bit. And it's in fact a process 
that was started once but not with a high priority. Thus far getting in 
Volunteers has been a higher priority rather than Organising cash or 
governance.

I get the benefits of a Foundation and a central spot to look at in 
Governance, but thus far we are one core developer (Andreas Wacknitz) 
and supporting maintainers. I love the initiative and Engagement that 
people bring here. And it's needed. But we don't need an official 
Signoff space yet. If people are willing to invest into development, we 
are not holding you guys back. But please be aware who you are and how 
much you have to do with the OI and in fact illumos brand and if another 
name is not more appropriate for an outside initiated initiative. ;)

Greetings
- Till

On 26.05.21 18:32, Gerard Arthus wrote:
> We can roll illumos into the foundation; we can keep the books ourselves,
> just have to pay a cpa to sign off on it if that is desired. I would do the
> tax preparation myself unless a large amount of money was involved. I would
> only do this if the finances were completely transparent and everything was
> posted on the Internet. The main point here should be to use donations
> strictly for development and not sucking administrative cost which is quite
> common in the nonprofit world.
> 
> Gerry
> Gerard Arthus
> 409 Lowell Avenue East
> Mishawaka, Indiana
> United States
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> Cell - 574-302-7731
> Home - 574-520-1337 <574-217-8726>
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>> Yes, I too think it is a good idea and worth a try.
>>
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>>
>>
>> On 26/05/2021 20:40, Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss wrote:
 We can get this going with at least 3-4 individuals; if there is
>> interest I
 can start putting something together.
>>> This is definitely a great idea.
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Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI Foundation

2021-05-26 Thread Till Wegmueller 

Ok, Just a quick Info mail before everybody gets attached to things.

In the Maintainer call the founding of a Foundation/ or Rather 
Association has been discussed quite a bit. And it's in fact a process 
that was started once but not with a high priority. Thus far getting in 
Volunteers has been a higher priority rather than Organising cash or 
governance.


I get the benefits of a Foundation and a central spot to look at in 
Governance, but thus far we are one core developer (Andreas Wacknitz) 
and supporting maintainers. I love the initiative and Engagement that 
people bring here. And it's needed. But we don't need an official 
Signoff space yet. If people are willing to invest into development, we 
are not holding you guys back. But please be aware who you are and how 
much you have to do with the OI and in fact illumos brand and if another 
name is not more appropriate for an outside initiated initiative. ;)


Greetings
- Till

On 26.05.21 18:32, Gerard Arthus wrote:

We can roll illumos into the foundation; we can keep the books ourselves,
just have to pay a cpa to sign off on it if that is desired. I would do the
tax preparation myself unless a large amount of money was involved. I would
only do this if the finances were completely transparent and everything was
posted on the Internet. The main point here should be to use donations
strictly for development and not sucking administrative cost which is quite
common in the nonprofit world.

Gerry
Gerard Arthus
409 Lowell Avenue East
Mishawaka, Indiana
United States
46545
Cell - 574-302-7731
Home - 574-520-1337 <574-217-8726>

Instructor ITT-Tech - Mathematics, Electrical Engineering, and Computer
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On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 5:21 PM Marc Lobelle 
wrote:


Yes, I too think it is a good idea and worth a try.

Marc Lobelle

Belgium


On 26/05/2021 20:40, Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss wrote:

We can get this going with at least 3-4 individuals; if there is

interest I

can start putting something together.

This is definitely a great idea.
A.S.
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Re: [oi-dev] OI Foundation

2021-05-26 Thread Joshua M. Clulow via oi-dev 
On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 13:26, Reginald Beardsley via oi-dev
 wrote:
> Do we need an OI specific organization? Why could this not be handled by the 
> existing Illumos Foundation? That was what I was going to propose. We're 
> using the same base OS. So far as I know, OI just adds GUI support. So having 
> the Illumos Foundation simply maintain a ledger entry for OI specific 
> financial contributions and disburse them seems much lower cost.
>
> Another foundation is immediately burdened by the cost of tax preparation 
> among other things.

There is no illumos foundation today.  We're just a self-organising
project team.


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Re: [oi-dev] OI Foundation

2021-05-26 Thread Reginald Beardsley via oi-dev 
 
Do we need an OI specific organization? Why could this not be handled by the 
existing Illumos Foundation? That was what I was going to propose. We're using 
the same base OS. So far as I know, OI just adds GUI support. So having the 
Illumos Foundation simply maintain a ledger entry for OI specific financial 
contributions and disburse them seems much lower cost.

Another foundation is immediately burdened by the cost of tax preparation among 
other things.

Reg

 On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 12:33:31 PM CDT, Gerard Arthus 
 wrote:  
 
 Well I need one to two more people to place their name on the entity we 
create. It would be set up that there would be no compensation for members of 
the Board and that all revenues collected would go to Code development and 
maintenance. I and some others will provide the money for the filing fees and 
we can run it from one of my servers. As far as cleaning up the technical 
documentation...That can be dealt with after the foundation is established. I 
like the FREEBSD Model and could begin the process as soon as others agree.
Gerry
Gerard Arthus
409 Lowell Avenue East
Mishawaka, Indiana
United States
46545
Cell - 574-302-7731
Home - 574-520-1337

Instructor ITT-Tech - Mathematics, Electrical Engineering, and Computer 
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On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:13 PM Reginald Beardsley via oi-dev 
 wrote:

 Thanks for offering to do this. I've been pondering how to hire human 
resources to support OI, but somewhat reluctant to post about it as I tried 
8-10 years ago without success.

I am *very* interested in contributing money to such an organization on an 
annual basis at around $200/yr. In particular I think we need a tech writer to 
clean up the documentation, especially the wiki. Being able to hire developers 
would be a huge boon. But if we just cleaned up the ancient cruft in the wiki 
it would make life much easier.

My personal view is that without financial support from the user community OI 
is in serious jeopardy. That would distress me greatly. For me, contributing 
money is much less of a burden than trying to work on stuff myself.

Reg

 On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 11:50:02 AM CDT, Gerard Arthus 
 wrote:  
 
 I have been using Solaris since 1999 and was always impressed with its 
stability. If there is interest in putting together a Foundation or 
organization for Open Indiana, I will take care of all of the legal aspects 
concerning its establishment; however there will have to be other interested 
people willing to place their names on the governing body of such an 
organization.  Anyone interested should contact me through this list or you can 
use my personal email. The tax deductible aspect is what can actually attract 
funding and this can be accomplished with a little work. I would much prefer an 
organization where the people running it are volunteers and all proceeds will 
go   to the maintenance of the OI codebase and related software applications.
We can get this going with at least 3-4 individuals; if there is interest I can 
start putting something together.
Best wishes,
Gerry
Gerard Arthus
409 Lowell Avenue East
Mishawaka, Indiana
United States
46545
Cell - 574-302-7731
Home - 574-520-1337

Instructor ITT-Tech - Mathematics, Electrical Engineering, and Computer 
Engineering.
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Re: [oi-dev] OI Foundation

2021-05-26 Thread Gerard Arthus 
Well I need one to two more people to place their name on the entity we
create. It would be set up that there would be no compensation for members
of the Board and that all revenues collected would go to Code development
and maintenance. I and some others will provide the money for the filing
fees and we can run it from one of my servers. As far as cleaning up the
technical documentation...That can be dealt with after the foundation is
established. I like the FREEBSD Model and could begin the process as soon
as others agree.

Gerry

Gerard Arthus
409 Lowell Avenue East
Mishawaka, Indiana
United States
46545
Cell - 574-302-7731
Home - 574-520-1337 <574-217-8726>

Instructor ITT-Tech - Mathematics, Electrical Engineering, and Computer
Engineering.

garthus...@gmail.com
Notary The State of Indiana #685426
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https://archive.org/details/What_Have_We_Wrought_ (Selected Poem)
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https://archive.org/details/Here_There_Is_No_Lesson_To_Be_Learned_ (Selected
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https://archive.org/details/Deception_And_The_Self_Created_Terrorist_Threat_American_Complicity_In_World_W
(Selected
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https://archive.org/details/Solitary_Horsemen_Reflections_On_Life_In_Cyberspace
(Selected
Poem)


On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:13 PM Reginald Beardsley via oi-dev <
oi-dev@openindiana.org> wrote:

> Thanks for offering to do this. I've been pondering how to hire human
> resources to support OI, but somewhat reluctant to post about it as I tried
> 8-10 years ago without success.
>
> I am *very* interested in contributing money to such an organization on an
> annual basis at around $200/yr. In particular I think we need a tech writer
> to clean up the documentation, especially the wiki. Being able to hire
> developers would be a huge boon. But if we just cleaned up the ancient
> cruft in the wiki it would make life much easier.
>
> My personal view is that without financial support from the user community
> OI is in serious jeopardy. That would distress me greatly. For me,
> contributing money is much less of a burden than trying to work on stuff
> myself.
>
> Reg
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 11:50:02 AM CDT, Gerard Arthus <
> garthus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have been using Solaris since 1999 and was always impressed with its
> stability. If there is interest in putting together a Foundation or
> organization for Open Indiana, I will take care of all of the legal aspects
> concerning its establishment; however there will have to be other
> interested people willing to place their names on the governing body of
> such an organization.  Anyone interested should contact me through this
> list or you can use my personal email. The tax deductible aspect is what
> can actually attract funding and this can be accomplished with a little
> work. I would much prefer an organization where the people running it are
> volunteers and all proceeds will go   to the maintenance of the OI codebase
> and related software applications.
>
> We can get this going with at least 3-4 individuals; if there is interest
> I can start putting something together.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Gerry
> Gerard Arthus
> 409 Lowell Avenue East
> Mishawaka, Indiana
> United States
> 46545
> Cell - 574-302-7731
> Home - 574-520-1337
>
> Instructor ITT-Tech - Mathematics, Electrical Engineering, and Computer
> Engineering.
>
> garthus...@gmail.com
> Notary The State of Indiana #685426
> http://www.OpenEducation.org
> http://openeducation.org/moodle/  (For Course Portal) Log In as Guest
> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/edit?trk=tab_pro
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>

Re: [oi-dev] OI Foundation

2021-05-26 Thread Reginald Beardsley via oi-dev 
 Thanks for offering to do this. I've been pondering how to hire human 
resources to support OI, but somewhat reluctant to post about it as I tried 
8-10 years ago without success.

I am *very* interested in contributing money to such an organization on an 
annual basis at around $200/yr. In particular I think we need a tech writer to 
clean up the documentation, especially the wiki. Being able to hire developers 
would be a huge boon. But if we just cleaned up the ancient cruft in the wiki 
it would make life much easier.

My personal view is that without financial support from the user community OI 
is in serious jeopardy. That would distress me greatly. For me, contributing 
money is much less of a burden than trying to work on stuff myself.

Reg

 On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 11:50:02 AM CDT, Gerard Arthus 
 wrote:  
 
 I have been using Solaris since 1999 and was always impressed with its 
stability. If there is interest in putting together a Foundation or 
organization for Open Indiana, I will take care of all of the legal aspects 
concerning its establishment; however there will have to be other interested 
people willing to place their names on the governing body of such an 
organization.  Anyone interested should contact me through this list or you can 
use my personal email. The tax deductible aspect is what can actually attract 
funding and this can be accomplished with a little work. I would much prefer an 
organization where the people running it are volunteers and all proceeds will 
go   to the maintenance of the OI codebase and related software applications.
We can get this going with at least 3-4 individuals; if there is interest I can 
start putting something together.
Best wishes,
Gerry
Gerard Arthus
409 Lowell Avenue East
Mishawaka, Indiana
United States
46545
Cell - 574-302-7731
Home - 574-520-1337

Instructor ITT-Tech - Mathematics, Electrical Engineering, and Computer 
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[oi-dev] OI Foundation

2021-05-26 Thread Gerard Arthus 
I have been using Solaris since 1999 and was always impressed with its
stability. If there is interest in putting together a Foundation or
organization for Open Indiana, I will take care of all of the legal aspects
concerning its establishment; however there will have to be other
interested people willing to place their names on the governing body of
such an organization.  Anyone interested should contact me through this
list or you can use my personal email. The tax deductible aspect is what
can actually attract funding and this can be accomplished with a little
work. I would much prefer an organization where the people running it are
volunteers and all proceeds will go   to the maintenance of the OI codebase
and related software applications.

We can get this going with at least 3-4 individuals; if there is interest I
can start putting something together.

Best wishes,

Gerry
Gerard Arthus
409 Lowell Avenue East
Mishawaka, Indiana
United States
46545
Cell - 574-302-7731
Home - 574-520-1337 <574-217-8726>

Instructor ITT-Tech - Mathematics, Electrical Engineering, and Computer
Engineering.

garthus...@gmail.com
Notary The State of Indiana #685426
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https://archive.org/details/Solitary_Horsemen_Reflections_On_Life_In_Cyberspace
(Selected
Poem)
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