Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Raphaël Jadot]

Coming back to the topic: number of repos of OpenMandrivaAssociation organisation in github. If I'm correct, this is linked to the whole abf process, as each and every package has its github repo, with spec, yml, patches and stuff.Maybe then it would be better to put the repos where issues would be written in OpenMandrivaSoftware instead (IIRC there are less repos there than in OpenMandrivaAsociation)--Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile15.09.2016, 22:46, "Robert Xu" :That's like a small fraction of the number of repos we have in OpenMandrivaAssociation. Hell, we have so many it doesn't even load in mobile view..
I feel like the packages should be moved to like OpenMandrivaLx or something. I dunno. It's just really unwieldy, and any github user visiting github.com/OpenMandrivaAssociation will get lost right away unless they know what package they're looking for.
On 15 Sep 2016 14:02, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:But lot of repos is not unusual: https://github.com/coreos



15.09.2016, 19:58, "Raphaël Jadot" :
> Knowing that people don't necessarily understand the diff between
> https://github.com/OpenMandrivaAssociation
> https://github.com/OpenMandrivaSoftware
>
> 15.09.2016, 18:49, "Robert Xu" :
>>  On a sidenote: we have a crap-ton of repositories in
>>  OpenMandrivaAssociation. I personally dislike that just because
>>  there's just _too much_ (also hard to distinguish repositories), but
>>  it should be noted that we should either disable issues on all those
>>  repositories or add them to waffle.io (see
>>  https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/issues/1814).
>>
>>  Just because - how on earth are people going to find
>>  OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx when there are thousands of
>>  other repositories hiding it? (Ignoring just linking
>>  issues.openmandriva.org.)
>>
>>  On 15 September 2016 at 12:43, Robert Xu  wrote:
>>>   A quick evaluation from my view:
>>>
>>>   Waffle.io provides only one board, but it imports all issues to the
>>>   board automatically. This might be messy now, but we can definitely
>>>   work with it (Inbox/Bugs/Requests/Backlog/In
>>>   Progress/Review/Release/Resolved).
>>>   I'm a little concerned about bug load, but we'll see how it works.
>>>
>>>   As for Github Projects, you can create multiple boards to work with
>>>   it. For example, you can create a board for every sprint. But for a
>>>   continuously evolving distribution like ours, this may not be a good
>>>   idea because it does not provide the option to automatically import
>>>   all issues to a board. This can limit us, especially when triaging
>>>   and/or maintaining tasks. (Also, I don't trust people to not "forget"
>>>   about the project management tool... again.)
>>>
>>>   Waffle.io seems like the safer option right now. We can re-evaluate
>>>   Github projects again later. (Like when Waffle integrated with it:
>>>   https://bot.waffle.io/)
>>>   I'd recommend that you try Github projects out yourself to figure out
>>>   if you like it better or not, and report back.
>>>
>>>   On 15 September 2016 at 12:00, Robert Xu  wrote:
   It's already live at Github.com. I'll be evaluating it as well.

   On 15 Sep 2016 11:45, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:
>   Robert told about the fact that Github just annouced the new «projects»
>   service by github.
>
>   https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features
>
>   Documentation is already there so it should not be long before it's
>   shipped.
>   https://help.github.com/articles/tracking-the-progress-of-your-work-with-projects/
>
>   I agree Robert that if we could avoid navigating between different sites,
>   it could be better, so I'd prefer using github projects instead. Besides of
>   this, no objection.
>
>   15.09.2016, 13:14, "Colin Close" :
>   > During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva
>   > the need for a project management tool was identified.
>   > Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for
>   > the purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was suggested
>   > as a managment tool for this purpose.
>   > You can view information about this tool here
>   > https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
>   > A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
>   > https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
>   > The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
>   > There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
>   > meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped
>   > will allow those who were not present to express their views.
>   > If after two days there have been no serious o

Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Robert Xu]

In that case, let's wait until we can chat and confirm. A quick meeting to
plan out next steps.

Unlike TC meetings, which can drag on, we'll have a quick 15-30 minute
rapid fire meeting.

(This is also why I kind of like voice/video meetings, but whatever works.)

On 17 Sep 2016 15:24, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:

Colin was checked as «nomail» because of too many bounces from his email
address.

@Colin just in case, here is the history of the conversation:
http://ml.openmandriva.org/pipermail/om-cooker_ml.openmandriva.org/2016-
September/thread.html

17.09.2016, 21:19, "Raphaël Jadot" :
> It should be then added to next council meeting.
>
> It seems Colin can't access the discussion :(
>
> 17.09.2016, 19:30, "Robert Xu" :
>>  I _really_ want to deprecate Kahinah. It makes sense if ABF can't be
>>  modified before the end of November (a possibility, of course).
>>
>>  On 17 September 2016 at 05:00, Raphaël Jadot  wrote:
>>>   If we do this, I guess then connecting to ABF and Kahinah with github
makes
>>>   sense.
>>>
>>>   Wdyt Robert, for Kahinah?
>>>
>>>   --
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>>>
>>>   16.09.2016, 23:46, "Robert Xu" :
>>>
>>>   Uhhh... Resend?
>>>
>>>   Anyway, if we are to adopt this tool, I then propose:
>>>
>>>   1. Migrate all issues to Github.
>>>   2. Redirect project.openmandriva.org to waffle.io and
>>>   issues.openmandriva.org to Github.
>>>   3. Have a further meeting once this is settled to plan out Lx 4.
>>>
>>>   Robert
>>>
>>>   On 16 Sep 2016 5:43 pm, "Colin Close"  wrote:
>>>
>>>   During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for
OpenMandriva the
>>>   need for a project management tool was identified.
>>>   Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated
for the
>>>   purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was
suggested as
>>>   a managment tool for this purpose.
>>>   You can view information about this tool here
>>>   https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-
Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
>>>   A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
>>>   https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
>>>   The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
>>>   There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
>>>   meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is
hoped
>>>   will allow those who were not present to express their views.
>>>   If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will
be
>>>   considered adopted.
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Raphaël Jadot]

Colin was checked as «nomail» because of too many bounces from his email 
address.

@Colin just in case, here is the history of the conversation:
http://ml.openmandriva.org/pipermail/om-cooker_ml.openmandriva.org/2016-September/thread.html

17.09.2016, 21:19, "Raphaël Jadot" :
> It should be then added to next council meeting.
>
> It seems Colin can't access the discussion :(
>
> 17.09.2016, 19:30, "Robert Xu" :
>>  I _really_ want to deprecate Kahinah. It makes sense if ABF can't be
>>  modified before the end of November (a possibility, of course).
>>
>>  On 17 September 2016 at 05:00, Raphaël Jadot  wrote:
>>>   If we do this, I guess then connecting to ABF and Kahinah with github 
>>> makes
>>>   sense.
>>>
>>>   Wdyt Robert, for Kahinah?
>>>
>>>   --
>>>   Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile
>>>
>>>   16.09.2016, 23:46, "Robert Xu" :
>>>
>>>   Uhhh... Resend?
>>>
>>>   Anyway, if we are to adopt this tool, I then propose:
>>>
>>>   1. Migrate all issues to Github.
>>>   2. Redirect project.openmandriva.org to waffle.io and
>>>   issues.openmandriva.org to Github.
>>>   3. Have a further meeting once this is settled to plan out Lx 4.
>>>
>>>   Robert
>>>
>>>   On 16 Sep 2016 5:43 pm, "Colin Close"  wrote:
>>>
>>>   During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva 
>>> the
>>>   need for a project management tool was identified.
>>>   Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for 
>>> the
>>>   purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was suggested 
>>> as
>>>   a managment tool for this purpose.
>>>   You can view information about this tool here
>>>   
>>> https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
>>>   A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
>>>   https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
>>>   The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
>>>   There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
>>>   meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped
>>>   will allow those who were not present to express their views.
>>>   If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be
>>>   considered adopted.
>>>
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Raphaël Jadot]

It should be then added to next council meeting.

It seems Colin can't access the discussion :(

17.09.2016, 19:30, "Robert Xu" :
> I _really_ want to deprecate Kahinah. It makes sense if ABF can't be
> modified before the end of November (a possibility, of course).
>
> On 17 September 2016 at 05:00, Raphaël Jadot  wrote:
>>  If we do this, I guess then connecting to ABF and Kahinah with github makes
>>  sense.
>>
>>  Wdyt Robert, for Kahinah?
>>
>>  --
>>  Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile
>>
>>  16.09.2016, 23:46, "Robert Xu" :
>>
>>  Uhhh... Resend?
>>
>>  Anyway, if we are to adopt this tool, I then propose:
>>
>>  1. Migrate all issues to Github.
>>  2. Redirect project.openmandriva.org to waffle.io and
>>  issues.openmandriva.org to Github.
>>  3. Have a further meeting once this is settled to plan out Lx 4.
>>
>>  Robert
>>
>>  On 16 Sep 2016 5:43 pm, "Colin Close"  wrote:
>>
>>  During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva the
>>  need for a project management tool was identified.
>>  Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for the
>>  purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was suggested as
>>  a managment tool for this purpose.
>>  You can view information about this tool here
>>  
>> https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
>>  A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
>>  https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
>>  The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
>>  There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
>>  meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped
>>  will allow those who were not present to express their views.
>>  If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be
>>  considered adopted.
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Robert Xu]

I _really_ want to deprecate Kahinah. It makes sense if ABF can't be
modified before the end of November (a possibility, of course).

On 17 September 2016 at 05:00, Raphaël Jadot  wrote:
> If we do this, I guess then connecting to ABF and Kahinah with github makes
> sense.
>
> Wdyt Robert, for Kahinah?
>
> --
> Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile
>
> 16.09.2016, 23:46, "Robert Xu" :
>
> Uhhh... Resend?
>
> Anyway, if we are to adopt this tool, I then propose:
>
> 1. Migrate all issues to Github.
> 2. Redirect project.openmandriva.org to waffle.io and
> issues.openmandriva.org to Github.
> 3. Have a further meeting once this is settled to plan out Lx 4.
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 16 Sep 2016 5:43 pm, "Colin Close"  wrote:
>
> During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva the
> need for a project management tool was identified.
> Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for the
> purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was suggested as
> a managment tool for this purpose.
> You can view information about this tool here
> https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
> A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
> https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
> The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
> There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
> meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped
> will allow those who were not present to express their views.
> If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be
> considered adopted.
>
>
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Raphaël Jadot]

If we do this, I guess then connecting to ABF and Kahinah with github makes sense.Wdyt Robert, for Kahinah?--Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile16.09.2016, 23:46, "Robert Xu" :Uhhh... Resend?
Anyway, if we are to adopt this tool, I then propose:
1. Migrate all issues to Github.
2. Redirect project.openmandriva.org to waffle.io and issues.openmandriva.org to Github.
3. Have a further meeting once this is settled to plan out Lx 4.
Robert
On 16 Sep 2016 5:43 pm, "Colin Close"  wrote:During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva the need for a project management tool was identified.
Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for the purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was suggested as a managment tool for this purpose.
You can view information about this tool here https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-  https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped will allow those who were not present to express their views.
If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be considered adopted.






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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Robert Xu]

Uhhh... Resend?

Anyway, if we are to adopt this tool, I then propose:

1. Migrate all issues to Github.
2. Redirect project.openmandriva.org to waffle.io and
issues.openmandriva.org to Github.
3. Have a further meeting once this is settled to plan out Lx 4.

Robert

On 16 Sep 2016 5:43 pm, "Colin Close"  wrote:

> During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva
> the need for a project management tool was identified.
> Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for
> the purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was
> suggested as a managment tool for this purpose.
> You can view information about this tool here https://github.com/waffleio/
> waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
> A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
> https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
> The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
> There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
> meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped
> will allow those who were not present to express their views.
> If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be
> considered adopted.
>
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[OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Colin Close]

During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva the 
need for a project management tool was identified.
Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for the 
purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was suggested as a 
managment tool for this purpose.
You can view information about this tool here 
https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-  
https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a 
meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped will 
allow those who were not present to express their views.
If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be 
considered adopted.




 

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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Robert Xu]

That's like a small fraction of the number of repos we have in
OpenMandrivaAssociation. Hell, we have so many it doesn't even load in
mobile view..

I feel like the packages should be moved to like OpenMandrivaLx or
something. I dunno. It's just really unwieldy, and any github user visiting
github.com/OpenMandrivaAssociation will get lost right away unless they
know what package they're looking for.

On 15 Sep 2016 14:02, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:

> But lot of repos is not unusual: https://github.com/coreos
>
>
>
> 15.09.2016, 19:58, "Raphaël Jadot" :
> > Knowing that people don't necessarily understand the diff between
> > https://github.com/OpenMandrivaAssociation
> > https://github.com/OpenMandrivaSoftware
> >
> > 15.09.2016, 18:49, "Robert Xu" :
> >>  On a sidenote: we have a crap-ton of repositories in
> >>  OpenMandrivaAssociation. I personally dislike that just because
> >>  there's just _too much_ (also hard to distinguish repositories), but
> >>  it should be noted that we should either disable issues on all those
> >>  repositories or add them to waffle.io (see
> >>  https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/issues/1814).
> >>
> >>  Just because - how on earth are people going to find
> >>  OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx when there are thousands of
> >>  other repositories hiding it? (Ignoring just linking
> >>  issues.openmandriva.org.)
> >>
> >>  On 15 September 2016 at 12:43, Robert Xu  wrote:
> >>>   A quick evaluation from my view:
> >>>
> >>>   Waffle.io provides only one board, but it imports all issues to the
> >>>   board automatically. This might be messy now, but we can definitely
> >>>   work with it (Inbox/Bugs/Requests/Backlog/In
> >>>   Progress/Review/Release/Resolved).
> >>>   I'm a little concerned about bug load, but we'll see how it works.
> >>>
> >>>   As for Github Projects, you can create multiple boards to work with
> >>>   it. For example, you can create a board for every sprint. But for a
> >>>   continuously evolving distribution like ours, this may not be a good
> >>>   idea because it does not provide the option to automatically import
> >>>   all issues to a board. This can limit us, especially when triaging
> >>>   and/or maintaining tasks. (Also, I don't trust people to not "forget"
> >>>   about the project management tool... again.)
> >>>
> >>>   Waffle.io seems like the safer option right now. We can re-evaluate
> >>>   Github projects again later. (Like when Waffle integrated with it:
> >>>   https://bot.waffle.io/)
> >>>   I'd recommend that you try Github projects out yourself to figure out
> >>>   if you like it better or not, and report back.
> >>>
> >>>   On 15 September 2016 at 12:00, Robert Xu  wrote:
>    It's already live at Github.com. I'll be evaluating it as well.
> 
>    On 15 Sep 2016 11:45, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:
> >   Robert told about the fact that Github just annouced the new
> «projects»
> >   service by github.
> >
> >   https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-
> universe-announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features
> >
> >   Documentation is already there so it should not be long before it's
> >   shipped.
> >   https://help.github.com/articles/tracking-the-
> progress-of-your-work-with-projects/
> >
> >   I agree Robert that if we could avoid navigating between different
> sites,
> >   it could be better, so I'd prefer using github projects instead.
> Besides of
> >   this, no objection.
> >
> >   15.09.2016, 13:14, "Colin Close" :
> >   > During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for
> OpenMandriva
> >   > the need for a project management tool was identified.
> >   > Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to
> complicated for
> >   > the purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io
> was suggested
> >   > as a managment tool for this purpose.
> >   > You can view information about this tool here
> >   > https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-
> Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
> >   > A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
> >   > https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
> >   > The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
> >   > There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate
> so a
> >   > meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it
> is hoped
> >   > will allow those who were not present to express their views.
> >   > If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool
> will be
> >   > considered adopted.
> >   >
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Raphaël Jadot]

But lot of repos is not unusual: https://github.com/coreos



15.09.2016, 19:58, "Raphaël Jadot" :
> Knowing that people don't necessarily understand the diff between
> https://github.com/OpenMandrivaAssociation
> https://github.com/OpenMandrivaSoftware
>
> 15.09.2016, 18:49, "Robert Xu" :
>>  On a sidenote: we have a crap-ton of repositories in
>>  OpenMandrivaAssociation. I personally dislike that just because
>>  there's just _too much_ (also hard to distinguish repositories), but
>>  it should be noted that we should either disable issues on all those
>>  repositories or add them to waffle.io (see
>>  https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/issues/1814).
>>
>>  Just because - how on earth are people going to find
>>  OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx when there are thousands of
>>  other repositories hiding it? (Ignoring just linking
>>  issues.openmandriva.org.)
>>
>>  On 15 September 2016 at 12:43, Robert Xu  wrote:
>>>   A quick evaluation from my view:
>>>
>>>   Waffle.io provides only one board, but it imports all issues to the
>>>   board automatically. This might be messy now, but we can definitely
>>>   work with it (Inbox/Bugs/Requests/Backlog/In
>>>   Progress/Review/Release/Resolved).
>>>   I'm a little concerned about bug load, but we'll see how it works.
>>>
>>>   As for Github Projects, you can create multiple boards to work with
>>>   it. For example, you can create a board for every sprint. But for a
>>>   continuously evolving distribution like ours, this may not be a good
>>>   idea because it does not provide the option to automatically import
>>>   all issues to a board. This can limit us, especially when triaging
>>>   and/or maintaining tasks. (Also, I don't trust people to not "forget"
>>>   about the project management tool... again.)
>>>
>>>   Waffle.io seems like the safer option right now. We can re-evaluate
>>>   Github projects again later. (Like when Waffle integrated with it:
>>>   https://bot.waffle.io/)
>>>   I'd recommend that you try Github projects out yourself to figure out
>>>   if you like it better or not, and report back.
>>>
>>>   On 15 September 2016 at 12:00, Robert Xu  wrote:
   It's already live at Github.com. I'll be evaluating it as well.

   On 15 Sep 2016 11:45, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:
>   Robert told about the fact that Github just annouced the new «projects»
>   service by github.
>
>   
> https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features
>
>   Documentation is already there so it should not be long before it's
>   shipped.
>   
> https://help.github.com/articles/tracking-the-progress-of-your-work-with-projects/
>
>   I agree Robert that if we could avoid navigating between different 
> sites,
>   it could be better, so I'd prefer using github projects instead. 
> Besides of
>   this, no objection.
>
>   15.09.2016, 13:14, "Colin Close" :
>   > During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for 
> OpenMandriva
>   > the need for a project management tool was identified.
>   > Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated 
> for
>   > the purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was 
> suggested
>   > as a managment tool for this purpose.
>   > You can view information about this tool here
>   > 
> https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
>   > A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
>   > https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
>   > The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
>   > There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
>   > meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is 
> hoped
>   > will allow those who were not present to express their views.
>   > If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will 
> be
>   > considered adopted.
>   >
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Raphaël Jadot]

Knowing that people don't necessarily understand the diff between 
https://github.com/OpenMandrivaAssociation
https://github.com/OpenMandrivaSoftware


15.09.2016, 18:49, "Robert Xu" :
> On a sidenote: we have a crap-ton of repositories in
> OpenMandrivaAssociation. I personally dislike that just because
> there's just _too much_ (also hard to distinguish repositories), but
> it should be noted that we should either disable issues on all those
> repositories or add them to waffle.io (see
> https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/issues/1814).
>
> Just because - how on earth are people going to find
> OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx when there are thousands of
> other repositories hiding it? (Ignoring just linking
> issues.openmandriva.org.)
>
> On 15 September 2016 at 12:43, Robert Xu  wrote:
>>  A quick evaluation from my view:
>>
>>  Waffle.io provides only one board, but it imports all issues to the
>>  board automatically. This might be messy now, but we can definitely
>>  work with it (Inbox/Bugs/Requests/Backlog/In
>>  Progress/Review/Release/Resolved).
>>  I'm a little concerned about bug load, but we'll see how it works.
>>
>>  As for Github Projects, you can create multiple boards to work with
>>  it. For example, you can create a board for every sprint. But for a
>>  continuously evolving distribution like ours, this may not be a good
>>  idea because it does not provide the option to automatically import
>>  all issues to a board. This can limit us, especially when triaging
>>  and/or maintaining tasks. (Also, I don't trust people to not "forget"
>>  about the project management tool... again.)
>>
>>  Waffle.io seems like the safer option right now. We can re-evaluate
>>  Github projects again later. (Like when Waffle integrated with it:
>>  https://bot.waffle.io/)
>>  I'd recommend that you try Github projects out yourself to figure out
>>  if you like it better or not, and report back.
>>
>>  On 15 September 2016 at 12:00, Robert Xu  wrote:
>>>  It's already live at Github.com. I'll be evaluating it as well.
>>>
>>>  On 15 Sep 2016 11:45, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:
  Robert told about the fact that Github just annouced the new «projects»
  service by github.

  
 https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features

  Documentation is already there so it should not be long before it's
  shipped.
  
 https://help.github.com/articles/tracking-the-progress-of-your-work-with-projects/

  I agree Robert that if we could avoid navigating between different sites,
  it could be better, so I'd prefer using github projects instead. Besides 
 of
  this, no objection.

  15.09.2016, 13:14, "Colin Close" :
  > During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva
  > the need for a project management tool was identified.
  > Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for
  > the purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was 
 suggested
  > as a managment tool for this purpose.
  > You can view information about this tool here
  > 
 https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
  > A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
  > https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
  > The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
  > There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
  > meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is 
 hoped
  > will allow those who were not present to express their views.
  > If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be
  > considered adopted.
  >
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Raphaël Jadot]

Nice study, thanks Robert :)

I made a quick try to. 
https://github.com/OpenMandrivaSoftware/oma-web-RuruLandK/projects/1

Your latest email is the most convincing for me to go with Waffle.io, 
especially is further integration is planned with Github Projects through 
Waffle bot.

Furthermore if it helps not forgetting pending issues… 

15.09.2016, 18:44, "Robert Xu" :
> A quick evaluation from my view:
>
> Waffle.io provides only one board, but it imports all issues to the
> board automatically. This might be messy now, but we can definitely
> work with it (Inbox/Bugs/Requests/Backlog/In
> Progress/Review/Release/Resolved).
> I'm a little concerned about bug load, but we'll see how it works.
>
> As for Github Projects, you can create multiple boards to work with
> it. For example, you can create a board for every sprint. But for a
> continuously evolving distribution like ours, this may not be a good
> idea because it does not provide the option to automatically import
> all issues to a board. This can limit us, especially when triaging
> and/or maintaining tasks. (Also, I don't trust people to not "forget"
> about the project management tool... again.)
>
> Waffle.io seems like the safer option right now. We can re-evaluate
> Github projects again later. (Like when Waffle integrated with it:
> https://bot.waffle.io/)
> I'd recommend that you try Github projects out yourself to figure out
> if you like it better or not, and report back.
>
> On 15 September 2016 at 12:00, Robert Xu  wrote:
>>  It's already live at Github.com. I'll be evaluating it as well.
>>
>>  On 15 Sep 2016 11:45, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:
>>>  Robert told about the fact that Github just annouced the new «projects»
>>>  service by github.
>>>
>>>  
>>> https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features
>>>
>>>  Documentation is already there so it should not be long before it's
>>>  shipped.
>>>  
>>> https://help.github.com/articles/tracking-the-progress-of-your-work-with-projects/
>>>
>>>  I agree Robert that if we could avoid navigating between different sites,
>>>  it could be better, so I'd prefer using github projects instead. Besides of
>>>  this, no objection.
>>>
>>>  15.09.2016, 13:14, "Colin Close" :
>>>  > During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva
>>>  > the need for a project management tool was identified.
>>>  > Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for
>>>  > the purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was 
>>> suggested
>>>  > as a managment tool for this purpose.
>>>  > You can view information about this tool here
>>>  > 
>>> https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
>>>  > A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
>>>  > https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
>>>  > The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
>>>  > There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
>>>  > meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped
>>>  > will allow those who were not present to express their views.
>>>  > If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be
>>>  > considered adopted.
>>>  >
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Robert Xu]

On a sidenote: we have a crap-ton of repositories in
OpenMandrivaAssociation. I personally dislike that just because
there's just _too much_ (also hard to distinguish repositories), but
it should be noted that we should either disable issues on all those
repositories or add them to waffle.io (see
https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/issues/1814).

Just because - how on earth are people going to find
OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx when there are thousands of
other repositories hiding it? (Ignoring just linking
issues.openmandriva.org.)

On 15 September 2016 at 12:43, Robert Xu  wrote:
> A quick evaluation from my view:
>
> Waffle.io provides only one board, but it imports all issues to the
> board automatically. This might be messy now, but we can definitely
> work with it (Inbox/Bugs/Requests/Backlog/In
> Progress/Review/Release/Resolved).
> I'm a little concerned about bug load, but we'll see how it works.
>
> As for Github Projects, you can create multiple boards to work with
> it. For example, you can create a board for every sprint. But for a
> continuously evolving distribution like ours, this may not be a good
> idea because it does not provide the option to automatically import
> all issues to a board. This can limit us, especially when triaging
> and/or maintaining tasks. (Also, I don't trust people to not "forget"
> about the project management tool... again.)
>
> Waffle.io seems like the safer option right now. We can re-evaluate
> Github projects again later. (Like when Waffle integrated with it:
> https://bot.waffle.io/)
> I'd recommend that you try Github projects out yourself to figure out
> if you like it better or not, and report back.
>
> On 15 September 2016 at 12:00, Robert Xu  wrote:
>> It's already live at Github.com. I'll be evaluating it as well.
>>
>>
>> On 15 Sep 2016 11:45, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert told about the fact that Github just annouced the new «projects»
>>> service by github.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features
>>>
>>> Documentation is already there so it should not be long before it's
>>> shipped.
>>> https://help.github.com/articles/tracking-the-progress-of-your-work-with-projects/
>>>
>>> I agree Robert that if we could avoid navigating between different sites,
>>> it could be better, so I'd prefer using github projects instead. Besides of
>>> this, no objection.
>>>
>>> 15.09.2016, 13:14, "Colin Close" :
>>> > During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva
>>> > the need for a project management tool was identified.
>>> > Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for
>>> > the purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was 
>>> > suggested
>>> > as a managment tool for this purpose.
>>> > You can view information about this tool here
>>> > https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
>>> > A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
>>> > https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
>>> > The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
>>> > There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
>>> > meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped
>>> > will allow those who were not present to express their views.
>>> > If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be
>>> > considered adopted.
>>> >
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Robert Xu]

A quick evaluation from my view:

Waffle.io provides only one board, but it imports all issues to the
board automatically. This might be messy now, but we can definitely
work with it (Inbox/Bugs/Requests/Backlog/In
Progress/Review/Release/Resolved).
I'm a little concerned about bug load, but we'll see how it works.

As for Github Projects, you can create multiple boards to work with
it. For example, you can create a board for every sprint. But for a
continuously evolving distribution like ours, this may not be a good
idea because it does not provide the option to automatically import
all issues to a board. This can limit us, especially when triaging
and/or maintaining tasks. (Also, I don't trust people to not "forget"
about the project management tool... again.)

Waffle.io seems like the safer option right now. We can re-evaluate
Github projects again later. (Like when Waffle integrated with it:
https://bot.waffle.io/)
I'd recommend that you try Github projects out yourself to figure out
if you like it better or not, and report back.

On 15 September 2016 at 12:00, Robert Xu  wrote:
> It's already live at Github.com. I'll be evaluating it as well.
>
>
> On 15 Sep 2016 11:45, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:
>>
>> Robert told about the fact that Github just annouced the new «projects»
>> service by github.
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features
>>
>> Documentation is already there so it should not be long before it's
>> shipped.
>> https://help.github.com/articles/tracking-the-progress-of-your-work-with-projects/
>>
>> I agree Robert that if we could avoid navigating between different sites,
>> it could be better, so I'd prefer using github projects instead. Besides of
>> this, no objection.
>>
>> 15.09.2016, 13:14, "Colin Close" :
>> > During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva
>> > the need for a project management tool was identified.
>> > Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for
>> > the purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was 
>> > suggested
>> > as a managment tool for this purpose.
>> > You can view information about this tool here
>> > https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
>> > A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
>> > https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
>> > The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
>> > There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
>> > meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped
>> > will allow those who were not present to express their views.
>> > If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be
>> > considered adopted.
>> >
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Robert Xu]

It's already live at Github.com. I'll be evaluating it as well.

On 15 Sep 2016 11:45, "Raphaël Jadot"  wrote:

> Robert told about the fact that Github just annouced the new «projects»
> service by github.
>
> https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-
> announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features
>
> Documentation is already there so it should not be long before it's
> shipped. https://help.github.com/articles/tracking-the-
> progress-of-your-work-with-projects/
>
> I agree Robert that if we could avoid navigating between different sites,
> it could be better, so I'd prefer using github projects instead. Besides of
> this, no objection.
>
> 15.09.2016, 13:14, "Colin Close" :
> > During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva
> the need for a project management tool was identified.
> > Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for
> the purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was
> suggested as a managment tool for this purpose.
> > You can view information about this tool here
> https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-
> Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
> > A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-
> https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
> > The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
> > There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a
> meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped
> will allow those who were not present to express their views.
> > If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be
> considered adopted.
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Re: [OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Raphaël Jadot]

Robert told about the fact that Github just annouced the new «projects» service 
by github.

https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features

Documentation is already there so it should not be long before it's shipped. 
https://help.github.com/articles/tracking-the-progress-of-your-work-with-projects/

I agree Robert that if we could avoid navigating between different sites, it 
could be better, so I'd prefer using github projects instead. Besides of this, 
no objection.

15.09.2016, 13:14, "Colin Close" :
> During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva the 
> need for a project management tool was identified.
> Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for the 
> purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was suggested as a 
> managment tool for this purpose.
> You can view information about this tool here 
> https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
> A working version of the interface can be viewed here:- 
> https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
> The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
> There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a 
> meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped 
> will allow those who were not present to express their views.
> If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be 
> considered adopted.
>
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[OM Cooker] RRL (Rolling Release) Project management.

[Colin Close]

During a discussion about the implementation of the RRL for OpenMandriva the 
need for a project management tool was identified.
Some thought that our current tool (OpenProject) was to complicated for the 
purpose and an alternative online service called waffle.io was suggested as a 
managment tool for this purpose.
You can view information about this tool here 
https://github.com/waffleio/waffle.io/wiki/Recommended-Workflow-Using-Pull-Requests
A working version of the interface can be viewed here:-  
https://waffle.io/OpenMandrivaAssociation/OpenMandrivaLx
The tool uses github fto provide some of it's functionality.
There were too few people at the TC meeting for it to be quorate so a 
meaningful vote was not possible hence this cooker post which it is hoped will 
allow those who were not present to express their views.
If after two days there have been no serious objections the tool will be 
considered adopted.




 

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