RE: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 14:18 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Hi Kay, > > I think there is a conflict of expectations and it is something that we need > to address. The makeup of the initial committers is what it is. Apache standard procedure was followed. It is true that it is unlikely that

OOo Trademark

Hi, I'm still getting requests now and again from persons who want to use the trademark OpenOffice.org for various reasons. In former times I have been pointing them to a web form that Oracle was providing. So, my questions are: - Is the OOo trademark already with Apache? - If yes, I recall I

Re: Before Symphony contribution

On 2011/07/19 03:08, Rob Weir said: > +1 Let's start from a stable build and make changes from there that > leave the build stable.So I think it looks like this: > 1) Get all OOo Hg repository converted over to SVN. This will include > all the code that was granted us in the Oracle SGA, as we

Re: SVN tutorial

Kay, On 07/18/2011 05:20 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Hi Carl--- SNIP I think you forgot the info about supplying userid and password, see http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn Fixed - r1148126 Thanks, Carl

Re: SVN tutorial

Kay, On 07/18/2011 05:21 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 07/18/2011 06:01 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: SNIP On the other hand, you should probably mention that alternative clients (eg, tortoisesvn) exist. Some people don't like cmdline interfaces. IMO, we might be wise to "recommend" an alternate GUI

Re: Symphony contribution

Rob Weir wrote: > Looks like the list manager strips out attachments. That probably is > a good idea. But you can view the screen shot I mentioned here: > > http://www.robweir.com/symphony-UI.png > > -Rob Maybe only some types are allowed through, I have seen a couple of diff files and script

Re: Symphony contribution

Looks like the list manager strips out attachments. That probably is a good idea. But you can view the screen shot I mentioned here: http://www.robweir.com/symphony-UI.png -Rob On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Malte Timmermann > wrote: >>

Re: SVN tutorial

Daniel, On 07/18/2011 09:01 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: You probably don't want to reinvent the "How do I use the svn(1) cmdline client" wheel. The svnbook and N other blogs and web sites already do that; pick one and run with it. Erhm, link to it. Since the task was to do a basic tutorial for

Re: Symphony contribution

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Malte Timmermann wrote: > Hi Erik, > > thanks for clarifications :) > > Some questions below... > > On 14.07.2011 05:09, Yong Lin Ma wrote: >> >> ... >> We are willing to contribute the whole Symphony to community. The code >> would be available to the community. (

Re: SVN tutorial

I think you want svn diff. It will examine the repository. Dave Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 07/18/2011 03:36 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> Kay, >> >> >> >> Is the description that you might

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 07/18/2011 10:04 PM, schrieb David McKay: >> >> On 18/07/11 20:50, Andy Brown wrote: >>> Mathias Bauer wrote: On 18.07.2011 20:21, Mathias Bauer wrote: >> 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is linux/unix >> specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. >>>

Re: OCR (was Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build)

Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > FWIW; > > --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Andy Brown wrote: > ... >> >> I agree with you that it is the expectations that cause the >> real problem. For me it is a waste as it does not do as >> most people expect. An OCR import would be a better option, >> if we can find one. >> >

Re: SVN tutorial

On 07/18/2011 03:36 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Kay, Is the description that you might be thinking of. Yes! thanks. Well the reason I asked the question re "diff" is that "svn diff" seems to produce output that is kind of different from a

RE: SVN tutorial

Kay, Is the description that you might be thinking of. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 14:02 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: SVN tutorial On 07/12/

Microsoft BFF finally available publically! (fwd)

Hi All I'm not sure if you'll all have heard of the Microsoft BFF Validator before, but in case not... It's a rather nifty tool from the interop team at Microsoft who write all the file format documentation. The BFF (Binary File Format) Validator exists to help people writing the binary office

Re: SVN tutorial

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Kay Schenk wrote: ... > > > > BTW - I have a TODO on > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html > for how to create a patch. > > OK, I have a question about this -- how to create a patch. > Is it really just as simple as running a "diff" on the > origin

Re: SVN tutorial

On 07/18/2011 06:01 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: You probably don't want to reinvent the "How do I use the svn(1) cmdline client" wheel. The svnbook and N other blogs and web sites already do that; pick one and run with it. Erhm, link to it. On the other hand, you should probably mention that al

Re: SVN tutorial

Hi Carl--- On 07/18/2011 03:41 AM, Carl Marcum wrote: Hi all, I did the page as a SVN Basics type page instead of a tutorial since I didn't know if we wanted practice files and commits in SVN. I have put up the page at: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/svn-basics.html I think you fo

Re: SVN tutorial

On 07/12/2011 06:55 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Jul 12, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Carl Marcum wrote: I'll sign up for the basic SVN tutorial from Help Wanted if no one has yet. Great! BTW - I have a TODO on http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html for how to create a patch. OK,

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

Am 07/18/2011 10:04 PM, schrieb David McKay: On 18/07/11 20:50, Andy Brown wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: On 18.07.2011 20:21, Mathias Bauer wrote: 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is linux/unix specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. This component is used for the pdf import extension

OCR (was Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build)

FWIW; --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Andy Brown wrote: ... > > I agree with you that it is the expectations that cause the > real problem.  For me it is a waste as it does not do as > most people expect. An OCR import would be a better option, > if we can find one. > I haven't looked at this in a while, b

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

David McKay wrote: > > On 18/07/11 20:50, Andy Brown wrote: >> Mathias Bauer wrote: >>> On 18.07.2011 20:21, Mathias Bauer wrote: >>> > 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is linux/unix > specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. This component is used for the pdf import extension,

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

On 18.07.2011 21:28, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni >> wrote: >> > >> > 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is >> > linux/unix specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. >> >> Why would this be l

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

On 18/07/11 20:50, Andy Brown wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: On 18.07.2011 20:21, Mathias Bauer wrote: 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is linux/unix specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. This component is used for the pdf import extension, not for OOo itself. The pdf import extensio

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

Mathias Bauer wrote: > On 18.07.2011 20:21, Mathias Bauer wrote: > >>> 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is linux/unix >>> specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. >> >> This component is used for the pdf import extension, not for OOo itself. >> >> The pdf import extension is not built by de

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni > wrote: > > > > 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is > > linux/unix specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. > > Why would this be linux/unix specific? xpdf code is used > for the pdf-impor

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Mathias Bauer wrote: ... > > > > I would like to add a couple more: > > > > 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is > > linux/unix specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. > > This component is used for the pdf import extension, not > for OOo itself. > > The pdf imp

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

Hi *, On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is linux/unix > specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. Why would this be linux/unix specific? xpdf code is used for the pdf-import extension, and that is available for Windows as well. >

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

On 18.07.2011 20:21, Mathias Bauer wrote: >> 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is linux/unix >> specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. > > This component is used for the pdf import extension, not for OOo itself. > > The pdf import extension is not built by default, there is a configure >

Re: Before Symphony contribution

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > Damjan Jovanovic wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Donald Harbison >> wrote: >>> Yes, that is the right sequence. Our project is Apache OpenOffice, no >>> question there. The intent behind the future code contribution of Symphony >>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

Am 07/18/2011 08:12 PM, schrieb Mathias Bauer: On 18.07.2011 12:53, Marcus (OOo) wrote: That the new contributors have to play the game now with the Apache rules is OK. But they need to know *that* it's going on. I've heard a few times that it was still thought that OOo is dead. They haven't he

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

On 18.07.2011 20:04, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > Hello Mathias; > > --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Mathias Bauer wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I tried to get rid of some copyleft dependencies. As I will >> leave for vacation on Wednesday, > > First of all, thanks so much for working on this! > >> I now send my fir

Re: Before Symphony contribution

Damjan Jovanovic wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Donald Harbison wrote: >> Yes, that is the right sequence. Our project is Apache OpenOffice, no >> question there. The intent behind the future code contribution of Symphony >> is to make it possible to harvest some of the value from it, a

Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

On 18.07.2011 12:53, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > That the new contributors have to play the game now with the Apache > rules is OK. But they need to know *that* it's going on. I've heard a > few times that it was still thought that OOo is dead. They haven't heard > about the transition to Apache. I

Re: Before Symphony contribution

imacat wrote: > Dear all, > > I welcome the contribution from the Symphony team. But before the > Symphony contribution, shouldn't it be the first task to move the source > onto Apache SVN or something, instead of the current mercurial hg? Not > only IBM would like to contribute back to Open

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

Hello Mathias; --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Mathias Bauer wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to get rid of some copyleft dependencies. As I will > leave for vacation on Wednesday, First of all, thanks so much for working on this! > I now send my first patch to the list so that others already > can have a look o

Re: Before Symphony contribution

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Donald Harbison wrote: > Yes, that is the right sequence. Our project is Apache OpenOffice, no > question there. The intent behind the future code contribution of Symphony > is to make it possible to harvest some of the value from it, and to merge > that value into

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

On 18.07.2011 19:29, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: >> >> I wanted to have it lazy ;-), so I just added a single configure switch >> "--with-disable-copyleft" and did some quick and dirty changes to >> configure.in. If someone wants to make the name or the

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > > I wanted to have it lazy ;-), so I just added a single configure switch > "--with-disable-copyleft" and did some quick and dirty changes to > configure.in. If someone wants to make the name or the implementation > nicer - please go for it.

Re: Before Symphony contribution

Yes, that is the right sequence. Our project is Apache OpenOffice, no question there. The intent behind the future code contribution of Symphony is to make it possible to harvest some of the value from it, and to merge that value into Apache OpenOffice. PPMC members affiliated with IBM, will be vol

A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

Hi, I tried to get rid of some copyleft dependencies. As I will leave for vacation on Wednesday, I now send my first patch to the list so that others already can have a look or even continue. I only did it on Linux so far, of course we will need adaptions for other platforms. I created the patch f

Re: Before Symphony contribution

Am 07/18/2011 06:32 PM, schrieb imacat: I welcome the contribution from the Symphony team. But before the Symphony contribution, shouldn't it be the first task to move the source onto Apache SVN or something, instead of the current mercurial hg? Not only IBM would like to contribute back t

Re: Apache CMS Workflow and a Key Question

- Original Message > From: Marcus (OOo) > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Mon, July 18, 2011 12:59:07 PM > Subject: Re: Apache CMS Workflow and a Key Question > > Am 07/18/2011 06:31 PM, schrieb Pedro F. Giffuni: > > > > > > --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > > > > .

Re: Apache CMS Workflow and a Key Question

- Original Message > From: Marcus (OOo) > Am 07/18/2011 04:31 PM, schrieb BRM: > > - Original Message > > > >> From: Marcus (OOo) > >> Am 07/14/2011 09:59 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: > >>> (1) Get the existing svn website repository into the project's svn. I >think > >> we

Re: Apache CMS Workflow and a Key Question

Am 07/18/2011 06:31 PM, schrieb Pedro F. Giffuni: --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Marcus (OOo) wrote: ... So, all is not necessarily lost - but it does depend on whether you want to reload the SVN repo. I don't know how you thought about CVS but the respective repo is already on SVN. I am confuse

Re: Boost regex

Hi Eike; --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Eike Rathke wrote: ... > Hi Pedro, > > On Monday, 2011-07-18 07:57:02 -0700, Pedro F. Giffuni > wrote: > > >> (1) boost/Regex_Experimental.tar.gz > >> Should be unpacked and committed or removed. > > > I know we basically agreed ICU regex is the way to go, > howev

Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Good point, Rob.  I am not floating a proposal, more an opportunity for > discussion.  Here are some questions: > >  1. When should we conclude that the Initial Committers that have arrived are > all that are coming and we should close

Re: Before Symphony contribution

On 18.07.2011 18:32, imacat wrote: > Dear all, > > I welcome the contribution from the Symphony team. But before the > Symphony contribution, shouldn't it be the first task to move the source > onto Apache SVN or something, instead of the current mercurial hg? Not > only IBM would like to c

Before Symphony contribution

Dear all, I welcome the contribution from the Symphony team. But before the Symphony contribution, shouldn't it be the first task to move the source onto Apache SVN or something, instead of the current mercurial hg? Not only IBM would like to contribute back to OpenOffice.org, but many of us

Re: Apache CMS Workflow and a Key Question

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Marcus (OOo) wrote: ... > > > > So, all is not necessarily lost - but it does depend > > on whether you want to reload the SVN repo. > > I don't know how you thought about CVS but the respective > repo is already on SVN. > I am confused. Apparently (I am a newcomer) OOo h

Re: Boost regex

Hi Pedro, On Monday, 2011-07-18 07:57:02 -0700, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >> (1) boost/Regex_Experimental.tar.gz >> Should be unpacked and committed or removed. > I know we basically agreed ICU regex is the way to go, however, > I just read somewhere on the net that Boost regex will become > part

Re: Apache CMS Workflow and a Key Question

Am 07/18/2011 04:31 PM, schrieb BRM: - Original Message From: Marcus (OOo) Am 07/14/2011 09:59 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: (1) Get the existing svn website repository into the project's svn. I think we should just export it all and then add to the project. The move from cvs to svn i

Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > It happens that the Initial Committers are a self-selected group whose only > qualification is (1) editing an entry on a wiki page and (2) doing what it > takes to show up. It's an arbitrary solution to the bootstrapping of a > pod

Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

On 18 July 2011 16:22, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Just to be clear: The time in proposal was 10 days, from June 1 to June 10.   > "Weeks" is a stretch. Really? Wow it felt much longer ;-) Thanks for the correction. > We should acknowledge that objection even though the PPMC is expected to be >

Re: Apache CMS Workflow and a Key Question

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, BRM wrote: ... > > > > So, when  we import the Kenai SVN into the Apache > SVN then commit history > > is not  important as we will loose data from > February until today. > > > > At least,  that's my opinion. > > > > FWIW - there is a project cvs2svn that can convert CV

RE: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

Just to be clear: The time in proposal was 10 days, from June 1 to June 10. "Weeks" is a stretch. I don't think this matters. I don't think the duration before the proposal was voted on was determined by any notion of some community having time to notice and the participants time to arrive an

Boost regex ... (was Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code)

Hi again; --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Mathias Bauer wrote: > Hi, > > some more strange files I found in the OOo code: > > (1) boost/Regex_Experimental.tar.gz > > Should be unpacked and committed or removed. > I know we basically agreed ICU regex is the way to go, however, I just read somewhere on

Re: Apache CMS Workflow and a Key Question

- Original Message > From: Marcus (OOo) > Am 07/14/2011 09:59 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: > > (1) Get the existing svn website repository into the project's svn. I > > think >we should just export it all and then add to the project. The move from cvs >to >svn in kenai has apparently

Re: SVN tutorial

You probably don't want to reinvent the "How do I use the svn(1) cmdline client" wheel. The svnbook and N other blogs and web sites already do that; pick one and run with it. Erhm, link to it. On the other hand, you should probably mention that alternative clients (eg, tortoisesvn) exist. Some

Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 18 July 2011 11:53, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > > ... > >> That the new contributors have to play the game now with the Apache rules is >> OK. But they need to know *that* it's going on. I've heard a few times that >> it was still thought that O

Re: Building On Linux

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to get a build without (L)GPL components. I'm making good > progress, but I'm unsure about the limitations we have. > > Let's consider an arbitrary library, e.g. neon. > > In my build I have disabled neon and so the build

Re: Building On Linux

On 18.07.2011 11:42, Mathias Bauer wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to get a build without (L)GPL components. I'm making good > progress, but I'm unsure about the limitations we have. > > Let's consider an arbitrary library, e.g. neon. > > In my build I have disabled neon and so the build system nei

Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

On 18 July 2011 11:53, Marcus (OOo) wrote: ... > That the new contributors have to play the game now with the Apache rules is > OK. But they need to know *that* it's going on. I've heard a few times that > it was still thought that OOo is dead. They haven't heard about the > transition to Apache

Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

Am 07/18/2011 12:36 PM, schrieb Ross Gardler: On 17 July 2011 20:26, Kay Schenk wrote: On 07/13/2011 06:37 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: ... Contributions elsewhere do not count. It is contributions here that matter. There was plenty of time during proposal time for past contributors to step up.

Re: SVN tutorial

Hi all, I did the page as a SVN Basics type page instead of a tutorial since I didn't know if we wanted practice files and commits in SVN. I have put up the page at: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/svn-basics.html I haven't linked it from anywhere yet. It still needs info on creati

Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

On 17 July 2011 20:26, Kay Schenk wrote: > On 07/13/2011 06:37 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: ... >> Contributions elsewhere do not count. It is contributions here that >> matter. There was plenty of time during proposal time for past >> contributors to step up. They did not. Now this is an ASF project

Building On Linux

Hi, I'm trying to get a build without (L)GPL components. I'm making good progress, but I'm unsure about the limitations we have. Let's consider an arbitrary library, e.g. neon. In my build I have disabled neon and so the build system neither builds the neon module nor the webdav UCP component in

Re: Online Help Planning

Hi Frank, we should keep extensions and extension help in mind when we change the format. Currently we are able to deploy help files within extension packages and can integrate them dynamically in the existing help system. It would be great to have an easy way to create or change help files (an ea