Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-13 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Oct 13, 2011 1:19 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: On 10/12/2011 8:15 PM, Rob Weir wrote: ...snip... That's fine, but just understand that you are touching on topics that will be painful to some and could lead

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-13 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Am 13.10.2011 11:18, schrieb Ross Gardler: a discussion from a position of we don't care will not help +1, well said, Martin

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.comwrote: Well, you can take a look at http://projects.openoffice.org/ ...and see the structure of work division by project and the names of people who were associated with those projects in the past. There was an

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-13 Thread Donald Harbison
+1 2011/10/13 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, you can take a look at http://projects.openoffice.org/ ...and see the structure of work division by project and the names of people who were

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-13 Thread Ross Gardler
2011/10/13 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: i don't really want to comment on this because of my history. Jürgen, note that some of us here (specifically the ASF mentors) are completely unaware of the history. As one of those mentors I am not interested in why such history might make

Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
What's the best place to (quickly) learn just who was who and what groups did what in the previous OOo life at Oracle? I see things like Community council and Engineering steering council and lots of projects, but it's not clear yet how they were supposed to be related or helped to manage

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Donald Harbison
Well, you can take a look at http://projects.openoffice.org/ ...and see the structure of work division by project and the names of people who were associated with those projects in the past. There was an Engineering Steering Committee (ESC) where the Sun developer staff met with volunteers, but

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
OK, so there was the Community Council and the ESC, as well as the leads and participants on an array of Projects that worked on specific areas of OOo code, websites, outreach, conferences, everything. Since all these organizations effectively were tied to Sun/Oracle, has Oracle officially

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: OK, so there was the Community Council and the ESC, as well as the leads and participants on an array of Projects that worked on specific areas of OOo code, websites, outreach, conferences, everything. Since all these

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 10/12/2011 8:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote: ...snip... On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Shane Curcurua...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: I'm just trying to understand what some of the other previous expectations around OOo governance and the brand were, so we can better explain what the new governance

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: On 10/12/2011 8:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote: ...snip... On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Shane Curcurua...@shanecurcuru.org  wrote: I'm just trying to understand what some of the other previous expectations around OOo

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 10/12/2011 8:15 PM, Rob Weir wrote: ...snip... That's fine, but just understand that you are touching on topics that will be painful to some and could lead this list down paths I don't think we want to go right now. I really think we want to avoid a discussion of legacy OOo governance. -Rob