Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-25 Thread floris v
Op 25-9-2011 8:05, Alexandro Colorado schreef: On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Tor Lillqvistt...@iki.fi wrote: So, Tor, what is your point of view on UI changes? I am all in favour of changing the UI, but I am fully aware that I am not an expert in UI issues, and don't claim to know how it

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-24 Thread floris v
I have no problem with some changes in the interface where they are helpful. For instance: The way that page styles are applied is very counter-intuitive. We get dozens of posts in the forums about how to make a document with a heading on all pages except the first, and

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-24 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Please respond to ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org To ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, cc Subject Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0 Hi all, 2011/9/21 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org I don't want to distract us too much for the 3.4.0 work. There is a lot of work to do

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote: many people most of the userbase We know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word So, Tor, what is your point of view on UI changes? -Rob --tml

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-24 Thread Tor Lillqvist
So, Tor, what is your point of view on UI changes? I am all in favour of changing the UI, but I am fully aware that I am not an expert in UI issues, and don't claim to know how it should be changed. (Also, I am a programmer, not an office software user; I actually use LibreOffice (or OOo) for

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-23 Thread floris v
I'm not so sure that further differentiation between AOO and LO is such a good idea. The Document Foundation with LO was started because some people didn't trust Oracle. Now that the code base is being transferred to ASF, and it looks like ASF is taking its responsibility for OOo seriously

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:39 AM, floris v floris...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure that further differentiation between AOO and LO is such a good idea. The Document Foundation with LO was started because some people didn't trust Oracle. Now that the code base is being transferred to ASF, and

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-23 Thread Fernand Vanrie
On 23/09/2011 15:28, Rob Weir wrote: We don't want to upset that. On the other hand, most of our potential users are using MS Office, and they have radically changed their UI... Yes, with many pro's and con's but we still have the 1 milion question: Must aOO or/and LO be a copy of the MS

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-23 Thread Fernand Vanrie
On 23/09/2011 15:28, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:39 AM, floris vfloris...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure that further differentiation between AOO and LO is such a good idea. The Document Foundation with LO was started because some people didn't trust Oracle. Now that the code

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-23 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be wrote: On 23/09/2011 15:28, Rob Weir wrote: We don't want to upset that. On the other hand, most of our potential users are using MS Office, and they have radically changed their UI... Yes, with many pro's and con's but we

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-23 Thread Guy Waterval
Hello, 2011/9/23 Shao Zhi Zhao zhaos...@cn.ibm.com hi, IBM symphony will contribute to Apache, it has good UI,it will be fit to your requirement. I know, I use Symphony and it's really a piece of cake. Many thanks for the great job. gw

Re: [AOOo 4.0] dev wishlist (Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0)

2011-09-22 Thread Armin Le Grand
that was there.] -Original Message- From: RGB ES [mailto:rgb.m...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 15:52 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: [AOOo 4.0] dev wishlist (Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0) 2011/9/22 Dennis E

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-22 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi all, 2011/9/21 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org I don't want to distract us too much for the 3.4.0 work. There is a lot of work to do, mainly around the detailed work of IP review. However, I think we should have a parallel conversation, with project contributors as well as with users, about

Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-21 Thread Rob Weir
I don't want to distract us too much for the 3.4.0 work. There is a lot of work to do, mainly around the detailed work of IP review. However, I think we should have a parallel conversation, with project contributors as well as with users, about what we could do after that, in a major release.

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-21 Thread FR web forum
What can we improve? Oh? Will you prove to be a Father Christmas? :-) This is the feedback from the french forum and improvements that we request us the most often Impress: - export to Flash with animation https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=16036 - screenshow mode in 16:9

Re: [AOOo 4.0] dev wishlist (Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0)

2011-09-21 Thread floris v
I'd like some long standing feature requests to be implemented. especially that when you perform a replace all, the cursor is returned to the location where you were instead of leaving you where the last item was replaced. That's a big time saver for people who do a lot of editing of for

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:07 PM, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr wrote: What can we improve? Oh? Will you prove to be a Father Christmas? :-) This is the feedback from the french forum and improvements that we request us the most often Sorry. My original note was ambiguous. I mainly wanted

RE: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Um, maybe too abstract? How about some concrete examples of the activity you mean. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 14:54 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0 On Wed

RE: [AOOo 4.0] dev wishlist (Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0)

2011-09-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-Original Message- From: floris v [mailto:floris...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 14:50 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [AOOo 4.0] dev wishlist (Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0) I'd like some long standing feature requests to be implemented. especially that when

Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0

2011-09-21 Thread Rob Weir
-Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 14:54 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0 On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:07 PM, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr wrote: What can we improve? Oh? Will you prove

Re: [AOOo 4.0] dev wishlist (Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0)

2011-09-21 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi Dennis, Dennis E. Hamilton schrieb: [..] That might help some of the copy and paste rearranging too, although it might be desirable to have a one-button remember-this-place in some go-to list pull-down too, having nothing to do with planting a bookmark in the document. [..] Is is called

Re: [AOOo 4.0] dev wishlist (Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0)

2011-09-21 Thread RGB ES
2011/9/22 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org If I have to navigate around documents, such as the ODF specifications themselves, I save as PDF so I can use the forward and back browser-style navigation. It would be terrific if that worked in OO.o directly, so that one could go

RE: [AOOo 4.0] dev wishlist (Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0)

2011-09-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 15:52 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: [AOOo 4.0] dev wishlist (Re: Starting a conversation on AOOo 4.0) 2011/9/22 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org If I have to navigate around documents, such as the ODF