Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face

2011-08-31 Thread Jean Weber
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 02:00, Frank Peters fpe.mli...@googlemail.com wrote: As I've said before, we can't change the past.  But we can prevent repeating past mistakes.  We need to ensure that in the future that In the past, this was no mistake but a prerequisite for docs. the core project

PATCH: sd/.../makefile.mk nonsense

2011-08-31 Thread Pavel Janík
Hi, the makefile.mk file contains this syntax error code: .IF $(ENABLE_PRESENTER_EXTRA_UI)==YES ENABLE_PRESENTER_EXTRA_UI is not used anymore .ENDIF Comment it or remove it... diff -urN ooo_DEV300_m97_src.orig/sd/source/ui/slideshow/makefile.mk

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Marc-Oliver Straub
I'm one of those hidden people... Currently I don't have bandwidth to jump into active development, but I'd like to stay up to date. My focus is on the low-level stuff like sal, URE/UDK and IPC bridges including performance. I'm using RedHat Enterprise Linux 5. Bye, Oli On 8/30/2011 9:24

Re: PATCH: sd/.../makefile.mk nonsense

2011-08-31 Thread eric b
Hi `Pavel, Le 31 août 11 à 08:42, Pavel Janík a écrit : Hi, I didn't follow the full story with DEV300 code, but this is not normal. For the record, the ENABLE_PRESENTER_EXTRA_UI was added to integrate the code written by students from Ecole Centrale Nantes. The feature not being

Re: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

2011-08-31 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 27.08.11 09:53, schrieb RGB ES: 2011/8/27 Mark Thomasma...@apache.org: As per [1], all user passwords (except those for ASF infra users with system admin privs) have been reset to: password Do not work for me:

Re: A point on the OOo code -- Getting to Apache Extras

2011-08-31 Thread Mathias Bauer
Hi Dennis, Am 30.08.2011 05:26, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: Mathias, In this thread you mentioned Apache Extras. I am curious how to support that moving ahead. So I must confess my ignorance first. Have you considered what a roadmap would be to have the CWS that need preservation

Re: [Repo][Proposal]After the code is checked in to SVN

2011-08-31 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 30.08.2011 19:08, schrieb Maho NAKATA: Hi Mathias, Is it the time to push FreeBSD patches? Now I'm at Dener to attend a conference, and just now my talk has finished. I'll work when I go back to Japan. Maybe next Monday or so. Building on FreeBSD surely is important - and if the patches

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Mathias Bauer
Hi Donald, Am 31.08.2011 00:38, schrieb Donald Whytock: How much disk space are we talking for a build? Could a thumb-drive Linux install handle it? Don I had the same problem: I don't have enough space on my hard disk to create a Linux partition of the necessary size. Here's a simple

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Mathias Bauer
Hi Dennis, Am 31.08.2011 02:32, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: I'll bite. I've got a Dell XPS 9100 running Windows 7 x64 with 1.6TB free on the HD (only 7200RPM though, keeps my Windows Experience Index at 5.9 - everything else in 7.7-7.8), 18GB DDR3 RAM, and Intel i7X980 processor. I've got

Re : Spam on us...@fr.openoffice.org

2011-08-31 Thread Fred Juan DIAZ
Hi (I moved Dennis E. Hamilton's answer in the right thread  not to pollute original theme ) You must understand that 1.  95% of the previous OOo list users have gone to LibO lists (see stats). 2. If those automatic messages are not stricto sensu spams, their effect is the same (would you like

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Tor Lillqvist
IIRC there are problems with Visual Studio 2010. I remember some posts on the LibreOffice dev list, Tor Lillquist, Jesús Corrius and others. Mail thread here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-March/009173.html As was expected, various mysterious and/or minor issues were

Re: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

2011-08-31 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Me too. :-( Marcus Am 08/31/2011 09:14 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 27.08.11 09:53, schrieb RGB ES: 2011/8/27 Mark Thomasma...@apache.org: As per [1], all user passwords (except those for ASF infra users with

Re: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

2011-08-31 Thread Pavel Janík
On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Me too. :-( OraSun employees? -- Pavel Janík

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30 August 2011 21:30, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi Rob Am 30.08.11 20:52, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch  wrote: ... * That it's strange to organize

[DISCUSS] OpenOffice.org NetBeans plugin - grant of source code

2011-08-31 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Hi, i stumbled over the OpenOffice.org NetBeans plugin on my disk and asked myself if it is included in the source grant from Oracle. I have a copy on my disk but i am not sure if it is the most recent one and the problem is that i can't check it. api.openoffice.org, wiki.services.openoffice.org

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30 August 2011 23:00, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 30.08.11 22:30, schrieb Rob Weir: (renaming the thread since it has drifted) On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch  wrote: Hi Rob Am 30.08.11 20:52, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at

Re: [DISCUSS] OpenOffice.org NetBeans plugin - grant of source code

2011-08-31 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
for people who don't know yet what this plugin is and for what it can be used see http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/OpenOffice_NetBeans_Integration It is very useful for extension and simplifies the development a lot. It really can help to increase the eco system around the office suite. Something

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30 August 2011 23:00, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 30.08.11 22:30, schrieb Rob Weir: (renaming the thread since it has drifted) On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch  wrote: Hi Rob Am 30.08.11 20:52, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at

Re: [Marketing] Questions

2011-08-31 Thread Ross Gardler
2011/8/31 Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com: Hi, sorry for posting the excerpt of an email in a foreign language ... maybe    http://translate.google.de/  helps to understand the content. [Snip and invite to present at a LInux Day event] Questions to the Apache way: I can't answer all

Re: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

2011-08-31 Thread TJ Frazier
On 8/31/2011 05:48, Pavel Janík wrote: On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Me too. :-( OraSun employees? It is reassuring that other experienced programmers are just as bad as I frequently am, at reporting bugs they run into while trying to get something done. I bring up

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Ian Lynch
On 31 August 2011 11:25, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 30 August 2011 23:00, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 30.08.11 22:30, schrieb Rob Weir: (renaming the thread since it has drifted) On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch

Creating the forums and wiki projects under SVN

2011-08-31 Thread Terry Ellison
I want to put the forums sub-project under svn today, so I can populate the baseline. At the moment /incubator/ooo has the core subdirectories branches, tags, trunk, trunk-orig -- plus the project tree for the www.openoffice.org site. Since the number of items under CM for the forums and

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Ross Gardler wrote on Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:25:14 +0100: Is it the way OOo used to work? No, but OOo has chosen to come to the ASF now. Whose decision was it to move to the ASF?

Re: [DISCUSS] OpenOffice.org NetBeans plugin - grant of source code

2011-08-31 Thread Carl Marcum
On 08/31/2011 06:08 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: for people who don't know yet what this plugin is and for what it can be used see http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/OpenOffice_NetBeans_Integration It is very useful for extension and simplifies the development a lot. It really can help to increase

Re: [DISCUSS] OpenOffice.org NetBeans plugin - grant of source code

2011-08-31 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Carl Marcum cmar...@apache.org wrote: On 08/31/2011 06:08 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: for people who don't know yet what this plugin is and for what it can be used see http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/**wiki/OpenOffice_NetBeans_**

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 31 August 2011 11:52, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Ross Gardler wrote on Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:25:14 +0100: Is it the way OOo used to work? No, but OOo has chosen to come to the ASF now. Whose decision was it to move to the ASF? The community that resides here. Lets not

Re: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

2011-08-31 Thread TJ Frazier
Update: Token email arrived after about an hour; link worked. OO.o site still not found. --/tj On 8/31/2011 06:38, TJ Frazier wrote: On 8/31/2011 05:48, Pavel Janík wrote: On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Me too. :-( OraSun employees? It is reassuring that other

Free passes to TransferSummit

2011-08-31 Thread Ross Gardler
I'd like to offer the OpenOffice community some sponsored passes to TransferSummit in Oxford, UK next week. Don Harbison will be there presenting on Apache OOo and I figured this would be a good opportunity for some of our EU side people (active or lurking, I don't care) so meet Don and each

Fwd: openoffice.org not responding

2011-08-31 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Andrew, It looks like openoffice.org is still down, odftoolkit.org is also down. It looks like all of Kenai is down. Is the dns transfer in flux, or wrong? Is there a wrong action on INFRA-3898? Please advise. Thanks, Dave Begin forwarded message: From: Simon Brouwer

Re: Creating the forums and wiki projects under SVN

2011-08-31 Thread Tony Stevenson
On 31 Aug 2011, at 11:52, Terry Ellison wrote: I want to put the forums sub-project under svn today, so I can populate the baseline. At the moment /incubator/ooo has the core subdirectories branches, tags, trunk, trunk-orig -- plus the project tree for the www.openoffice.org site.

Re: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

2011-08-31 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
2011/8/31 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 27.08.11 09:53, schrieb RGB ES: 2011/8/27 Mark Thomasma...@apache.org: As per [1], all user passwords (except those for ASF infra users with system admin privs)

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Marc-Oliver Straub
I'm one of those hidden people... Currently I don't have bandwidth to jump into active development, but I'd like to stay up to date. My focus is on the low-level stuff like sal, URE/UDK and IPC bridges including performance. I'm using RedHat Enterprise Linux 5. Bye, Oli On 8/30/2011 9:24

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 31.08.11 12:25, schrieb Ross Gardler: On 30 August 2011 23:00, Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 30.08.11 22:30, schrieb Rob Weir: (renaming the thread since it has drifted) On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.chwrote: Hi Rob Am 30.08.11 20:52,

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 31 August 2011 13:54, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: ... So you agree that the ASF don't cover all needs for the OOo Community and there sould be thrid parties who cover this needs. Right? That's not really what I said, but it's not so far from my point that I need to argue the

First Build mashin from me up and running

2011-08-31 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi at all My first Build mashine is up and running. It is a mac build mashine. Thanks to pavel for his help. Well the source don't build out of the box atm. There are sam trubbles with the move of l10n to extras. Is sameone working on a fix for this issue? The first build will be with

Re: [Marketing] Questions

2011-08-31 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi Ross, thanks for you quick answer on/to some questions 2011/8/31 Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com: 2011/8/31 Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com: Hi, sorry for posting the excerpt of an email in a foreign language ... maybe    http://translate.google.de/  helps to understand the

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 31.08.11 15:04, schrieb Ross Gardler: On 31 August 2011 13:54, Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: ... So you agree that the ASF don't cover all needs for the OOo Community and there sould be thrid parties who cover this needs. Right? That's not really what I said, but it's not so far

Re: An example of the license problems we're going to face

2011-08-31 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Rob, this is really simple. We have no rights other than what are conferred by the licenses and notices on those works you wish to be able to include in distributions. Since you believe they don't permit what

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 31 August 2011 14:27, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 31.08.11 15:04, schrieb Ross Gardler: On 31 August 2011 13:54, Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch  wrote: ... So you agree that the ASF don't cover all needs for the OOo Community and there sould be thrid parties who cover

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi Eike 2011/8/31 Eike Rathke o...@erack.de: [...] It's more fun to shrink a Windows partition and install a decent GNU/Linux distribution ;-)  Then, depending on distro, one of apt-get build-dep openoffice.org apt-get build-dep libreoffice or what the distro offers as build

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi Manfred Am 31.08.11 15:50, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: Hi Eike 2011/8/31 Eike Rathkeo...@erack.de: [...] It's more fun to shrink a Windows partition and install a decent GNU/Linux distribution ;-) Then, depending on distro, one of apt-get build-dep openoffice.org apt-get build-dep

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-08-31 Thread Mathias Bauer
Moin, please take my answers with a decent grain of salt, I'm not an expert for that area, Matthias Hütsch and Malte Timmermann certainly could answer that better, but I don't know if they are currently contributing to this list. Hopefully my remarks can help to look at the right places. Am

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Moin Raphael, 2011/8/31 Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch: Hi Manfred [...] http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_Linux I would like to build on a Ubuntu x86_64 Kernel 2.6.38-11-generic Kernel Version #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 29 19:02:55 UTC 201 do have

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 31.08.11 16:24, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: Moin Raphael, 2011/8/31 Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch: Hi Manfred [...] http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_Linux I would like to build on a Ubuntu x86_64 Kernel 2.6.38-11-generic Kernel Version

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Simon Phipps
I'd be happy to help out (usually UK timezone). S. On 31 Aug 2011, at 15:32, Rob Weir wrote: Great. Thanks. Could we get a couple more moderator volunteers, say a couple from Europe? Note that a user list will require more moderator assistance than a dev list, with people having

Re: [Repo][Proposal]After the code is checked in to SVN

2011-08-31 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Rob; The FreeBSD fixes surely won't introduce IP problems and have been up for review in bugzilla for a while, so I would think your comment is not (dis)regarding the FreeBSD port, but just concerning the general issue of adding new code. Now, I understand IBM has some replacements for

RE: Spam on us...@fr.openoffice.org

2011-08-31 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 08:19 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Fred Juan DIAZ, I agree that it is important to clean up those lists. I just wanted to be accurate that it is not a spam attack in the usual sense, if those are the problems. It is only on some of the lists, and it is only as

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread eric b
Hi Mathias, I'll start a build on Windows XP (SP3) once the download will be complete, and if there is no problem I can't solve, I'll test the l10n issue. Windows is 90% of the users (saddly true) and if somebody is interested, I can upload a build somewhere (if successfull, of course).

Re: Spam on us...@fr.openoffice.org

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:42 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 08:19 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Fred Juan DIAZ, I agree that it is important to clean up those lists. I just wanted to be accurate that it is not a spam attack in the usual sense, if those are

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:42 AM, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Windows is 90% of the users (saddly true) and if somebody is interested, I can upload a build somewhere (if successfull, of course). Why sadly? I thought half the point of OOo was to be an alternative to MS Office. The Linux

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We're blessed to have experienced OOo hackers on the list who have already jumped on the new code repository and started making improvements. But I see we have 214 people subscribed to the mailing list, including many who

RE: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Ross, That makes no sense. We are here because of the Oracle SGA, not because we all got together and said, hey gang, let's run over to Apache. And some of us, such as myself, were not part of the OpenOffice.org community in any meaningful way. It is true we here are a self-selected bunch

RE: Creating the forums and wiki projects under SVN

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 Good plan -Original Message- From: Terry Ellison [mailto:ter...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 03:52 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Creating the forums and wiki projects under SVN I want to put the forums sub-project under svn today, so I can populate the

RE: Who wants to build OpenOffice? - win32, win64

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Tor, I agree that the SUA/Interix arrangement is a bit strange and they seem to be sitting on the (relicensed?) source code. It is also a little tricky to operate across environments because of the file-system differences. I was mostly joking about that. I wouldn't attempt to build a

RE: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Test Instance doesn't support the reset procedure: it doesn't have a working e-mail connection. Use the Live Instance now on Apache. There is no longer need to use the test instance for anything. The Reset procedure must be used on the Live Instance because the password password is not

RE: Who wants to build OpenOffice? - win32, win64

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Thanks, Tor and Michael, for the additional information. I have 36GB free on my Tablet PC hard drive. If the network is too slow I can make a local-drive SVN Working folder and do the build on the Tablet using VC++ 2008. Reading off of the Windows Home Serve doesn't seem too bad, but I would

Re: Fwd: openoffice.org not responding

2011-08-31 Thread Kay Schenk
On 08/31/2011 05:05 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi Andrew, It looks like openoffice.org is still down, odftoolkit.org is also down. It was up yesterday pm around 1630 PDT. But, gee, it certainly isn't now! :( It looks like all of Kenai is down. Is the dns transfer in flux, or wrong? Is there

Re: Spam on us...@fr.openoffice.org

2011-08-31 Thread eric b
Hi Dennis, Le 31 août 11 à 17:19, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : My main point is there does not to be anyone here who has the authority to administer the fr.openoffice.org forums, and that you have to find someone who does have that authority. The fr.openoffice.org forum admin was one

RE: An example of the license problems we're going to face

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Of course, concerning CC-BY 2.0. And we can choose to view CC-BY 2.0 as toxic for the purposes of this project, I suppose. But either way, third-party rules apply. And we should deal with concrete cases in hand rather than hypotheticals. I agree that deal with it is snippy and I apologize

RE: [Repo][Proposal]After the code is checked in to SVN

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
For (3) If we do check-ins of changes against compatibly-licensed source, we are potentially doing check-ins under that license. So we need to be careful there too. There is more ceremony required to embrace compatibly-licensed code than the simple procedure for the SGA code (1 and

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I thought there was a short-circuit/umbrella process that doesn't require all of these details. I thought that came up on an old thread, either on the PPMC or in the early days of this list. We do need to collect and update the details, but I am not so sure we need to file a full-up

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Ross, That makes no sense.  We are here because of the Oracle SGA, not because we all got together and said, hey gang, let's run over to Apache.  And some of us, such as myself, were not part of the

Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I thought there was a short-circuit/umbrella process that doesn't require all of these details.  I thought that came up on an old thread, either on the PPMC or in the early days of this list. We do need to

RE: Who wants to build OpenOffice? - win32, win64

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[I've been amending these subjects so I can tell where the Windows builds are discussed and those not interested can also tell what not to read.] I am told that the VS 2010 V++ doesn't work directly, but VC++ 2008 is currently being used. Also, there is need for cygwin and perhaps other

RE: Spam on us...@fr.openoffice.org

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Neither Louis nor Stefan have responded to direct e-mails or been seen around here recently. If you have direct contact with anyone who can assist in blocking that annoying echo, please do so. - Dennis -Original Message- From: eric b [mailto:eric.bach...@free.fr] Sent: Wednesday,

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice? - hackfest

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I'm not interested in the Linux builds -- lots of people handle that -- but I have a question about IRC usage.  And also time zone impacts.  Will you provide time windows in UTC so we can all see what that

Re: Apache project community and external community

2011-08-31 Thread Simon Phipps
While I've been doing my best to ignore this thread, I have failed. My apologies. On 31 Aug 2011, at 18:04, Rob Weir wrote: It comes down to this in the end: It is easier to complain than to do something about it. Novell complained about how OOo was run for around 5 years before they split

Re: Fwd: openoffice.org not responding

2011-08-31 Thread Andrew Rist
This is not related to the DNS transfer. That process has not yet begun, and appropriate warning will be given when it is. That transfer should painless when it occurs, as it will only involve changing the owner of the DNS entries, not the content of them.

What could Doc be?

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Weir
Re-titling this thread based on the topic drift. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: As I've noted before, tracking down past contributors to get agreement on changing the license of existing material would be difficult and in some cases impossible. Given

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 31.08.2011 17:51, schrieb Donald Whytock: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:42 AM, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Windows is 90% of the users (saddly true) and if somebody is interested, I can upload a build somewhere (if successfull, of course). Why sadly? I thought half the point of OOo

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 31.08.2011 18:16, schrieb Kay Schenk: Is everything on this page http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/source.html including the Building Guide at -- http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide still current? I can't tell about everything, but the instructions

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Rob, On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 12:01:31 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: BTW, what should say the pre-reqs are for storage? Source, including /main and /extras is around 4GB. Matthias suggested 70 GB for building, which could be done on fast external storage. So 75 GB free space total is

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
2011/8/31 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: Something else to think about for the ooo-users list: file attachments. The experience with the german OOo-users list have shown that attachments should be banned. Today it is not an art piece to save a file in net and refer to a link to it. If the user

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
2011/8/30 Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org: Hey, over here (waving arm in the air)! me too, (if we are talking about en germanophone ML) but I think you are only talking about an english written ML Yes, I will moderate ooo-users. Do you need a minimum of three? M.

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 31.08.2011 20:34, schrieb Eike Rathke: Hi Rob, On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 12:01:31 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: BTW, what should say the pre-reqs are for storage? Source, including /main and /extras is around 4GB. Matthias suggested 70 GB for building, which could be done on fast external

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice? - win32, win64

2011-08-31 Thread Tor Lillqvist
I can imagine there are differences because of changes in how VS2010 uses MSBuild, (Which would be irrelevant, as the OOo build mechanism does not involve with MSBuild. Some of the 3rd-party libraries that are/used to be built with OOo use it I think.) although I don't know why command-line

Re: Fwd: openoffice.org not responding

2011-08-31 Thread Kay Schenk
Hi Andrew-- On 08/31/2011 10:17 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: This is not related to the DNS transfer. That process has not yet begun, and appropriate warning will be given when it is. That transfer should painless when it occurs, as it will only involve changing the owner of the DNS entries, not

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 08/31/2011 08:10 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: Something else to think about for the ooo-users list: file attachments. The default policy appears to be forbid many attachments, silently stripping them.  This would cause

Re: [Repo][Proposal]After the code is checked in to SVN

2011-08-31 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Rob, On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 09:22:46 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: It is a trade-off. Right now I think the most important task is to review the IP of the code and get that fixed where needed. Right now all code in the repository is in one of these categories: 1) Files that are in the

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: users-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2...@public.gmane.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] dev-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2...@public.gmane.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-08-31 1:09 PM Rob Weir wrote: ooo-users, the future home ofus...@openoffice.org Like the existing list, it would not be exclusively support. It would be used for discussions, new feature ideas, etc., whatever users want to post (within reason). We can't prevent users from posting

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-08-31 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Wolf, On Tuesday, 2011-08-30 20:23:28 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote: I have a machine that could do it - Ubuntu Linux 10.04, but I have never built anything of this complexity. This is a little bigger than ./configure, make, make install isn't it? In theory: only a little, in praxis:

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Rob, On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 14:10:45 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Something else to think about for the ooo-users list: file attachments. Any recommendations for what we should enable? Allow all ODF of known extensions, e.g. .odt .ods .odp ... For screenshots allow .png .jpg .jpeg Eike

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Marcus, On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 20:56:16 +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: For ooo-support@ files like doc, xls, ppt, odt, ods, odp will be most important. I'd certainly not allow MS binary files as potential malicious code carriers. But also jpg, png, gif for screenshots could be important.

RE: Who wants to build OpenOffice? - hackfest

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
This clearly has some effect that is not visible to me. Sorry. -Original Message- From: rabas...@gmail.com [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:08 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice? - hackfest On

Re: [code] builds, runs, but doesn't fly yet because of Mozilla being flagged as copyleft

2011-08-31 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi, On Tuesday, 2011-08-30 01:24:28 +0200, Eike Rathke wrote: One thing that caught my eye because I usually set macro security to very high: the dialog under Tools - Options - OpenOffice.org - Security - Macro Security doesn't open, just nothing happens. Raphael Bircher gave a valuable

Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7

2011-08-31 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi, I'm going to warm this up, as legal seems to have no definite opinion on it and effectively suggests the project has to establish its process and decide how it will handle larger contributions. See

Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7

2011-08-31 Thread Joe Schaefer
I thought you were given a definite opinion, at least for all practical purposes: it mainly depends on whether the contribution in question is substantial enough to be independently copyrightable.  For smallish bugfix patches, the answeris no, so there's no need for an iCLA. And when in doubt

Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Eike Rathke o...@erack.de wrote: Hi, I'm going to warm this up, as legal seems to have no definite opinion on it and effectively suggests the project has to establish its process and decide how it will handle larger contributions. See

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/31/2011 09:46 PM, schrieb Eike Rathke: Hi Marcus, On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 20:56:16 +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: For ooo-support@ files like doc, xls, ppt, odt, ods, odp will be most important. I'd certainly not allow MS binary files as potential malicious code carriers. I know.

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/31 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: Something else to think about for the ooo-users list: file attachments. The experience with the german OOo-users list have shown that attachments should be banned. Today it is

RE: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
When's the last time you heard of malicious code in a Microsoft Office file? No recent version will run macro code without warning and default disabling on load. I would expect mail clients to also be circumspect about allowing direct opening of document files provided as attachments. I

RE: [ooo-user] was RE: users-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2...@public.gmane.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] dev-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2...@public.gmane.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Yes, undisciplined use arises on the LibreOffice lists as well (with the usual smattering of unsubscribe me and please reply directly because I am not subscribed pleas). I don't think we can expect an occasional visitor to be disciplined, especially for a novice at coming to a list for

RE: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Not being able to send attachments is apparently a constant for user lists. I'm not sure they work here on ooo-dev either. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:11 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [ooo-user] was

RE: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ is now live - Regression Check

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I used the same password again because I didn't want to have more than one associated with orc...@openoffice.org. I generate unique passwords for all accounts. In this case it was a simplification to preserve single-sign-on between the openoffice.org site and the bugzilla here. And

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread TJ Frazier
Hi, Manfred, * On 8/31/2011 14:51, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: 2011/8/31 Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org: Something else to think about for the ooo-users list: file attachments. The experience with the german OOo-users list have shown that attachments should be banned. Today it is not an art piece

Re: Lazy consensus template

2011-08-31 Thread Kay Schenk
SO happy to see we still have a sense of humor! :) :) :) On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.comwrote: +1, but only if we meetup at East Coast Grill for Hell Night to test the sauce. On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org

Re: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

2011-08-31 Thread Marcus (OOo)
After password reset I can now successfully login. Didn't know that a reset is necessary; or I've overlooked this important detail somehow. Marcus Am 08/31/2011 11:43 AM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Me too. :-( Marcus Am 08/31/2011 09:14 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at

Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread TJ Frazier
On 8/31/2011 16:56, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: When's the last time you heard of malicious code in a Microsoft Office file? No recent version will run macro code without warning and default disabling on load. I would expect mail clients to also be circumspect about allowing direct opening of

RE: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-31 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Wow! When was that? I assume that bugzilla still accepts attachments (we were talking about lists). What do we do to protect it? - Dennis -Original Message- From: TJ Frazier [mailto:tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 14:08 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org

Re: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ is now live

2011-08-31 Thread Kay Schenk
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org wrote: Enjoy. Any problems, please create an infrastructure Jira issue against the Bugzilla component. Mark h...ALL incubator issues are lumped together. I'm not sure how valuable this will be to *us* or our users. I wish

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