Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies

2017-11-28 Thread Diane Disbro 
My library has nine branches but we told the ILS that we are all in the same 
building. That way, age protected items will be FIFO to all of the patrons in 
our nine branches. Anything without age protection is FIFO throughout our 
resource sharing consortium.

 

Diane Disbro

Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager

Union Branch

Scenic Regional Library

308 Hawthorne Drive

Union, MO 63084

636-583-3224

  ddis...@scenicregional.org

www.scenicregional.org

 

 

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of 
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:31 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and 
potential copies

 

Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is all 
proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium plan to 
resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears some of you 
are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or do not do so 
beyond the local library system?

Thank you,
Scott

 

 

Scott Thomas

Executive Director

PaILS / SPARK

(717) 873-9461

  scott.tho...@sparkpa.org

  Description: Description: Training | SPARK – 
Pennsylvania's Statewide Library System

 

 

 

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Diane 
Disbro
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group ; ME 
list serv 
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and 
potential copies

 

I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than 
try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that 
they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it. 

 

Thank you, Josh, for asking.




Diane Disbro

Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager

Union Branch

Scenic Regional Library

308 Hawthorne Drive

Union, MO 63084

(636) 583-3224

 

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro  
wrote:

Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold 
selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in 
your catalog.  We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for 
holds, along with all potential copies.  This gives users bad info since for us 
holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on 
proximity for other locations.  And since one org uses age hold protection, the 
total copy count isn’t accurate either since half the copies might be age hold 
protected so they cannot fill the users holds.

 

Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2?  
Did you modify it in some way?  I would like to see examples of what you 
changed it to if you changed it.

 

Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold protected 
and cannot be captured for that hold?  Right now it pulls from hold copy map, 
but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the age hold protection 
might be possible to add.

 

Thanks

Josh

 

 

 

Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org

Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139  

LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies

2017-11-28 Thread scott.tho...@sparkpa.org 
Mike,
   Thank you for that clear explanation. It does indeed make sense.

Scott

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Mike 
Rylander
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:52 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and 
potential copies

Scott,

It's not that you can't have a hybrid, but that FIFO sites will end up getting 
their holds prioritized over proximity-based sites if there is resource sharing 
between them, all else being equal, as FIFO only cares about request time and 
proximity cares about "closeness".  Having just one or the other in use means 
nobody gets the short end of the stick.

HTH,


--
Mike Rylander
 | President
 | Equinox Open Library Initiative
 | phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
 | email:  mi...@equinoxinitiative.org
 | web:  http://equinoxinitiative.org

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:30 AM, 
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org 
> wrote:
Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is all 
proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium plan to 
resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears some of you 
are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or do not do so 
beyond the local library system?
Thank you,
Scott


Scott Thomas
Executive Director
PaILS / SPARK
(717) 873-9461
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
[Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide Library 
System]



From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org]
 On Behalf Of Diane Disbro
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
>;
 ME list serv 
>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and 
potential copies

I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than 
try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that 
they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it.

Thank you, Josh, for asking.

Diane Disbro
Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager
Union Branch
Scenic Regional Library
308 Hawthorne 
Drive
Union, MO 

 
63084
(636) 583-3224

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro 
> wrote:
Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold 
selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in 
your catalog.  We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for 
holds, along with all potential copies.  This gives users bad info since for us 
holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on 
proximity for other locations.  And since one org uses age hold protection, the 
total copy count isn’t accurate either since half the copies might be age hold 
protected so they cannot fill the users holds.

Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2?  
Did you modify it in some way?  I would like to see examples of what you 
changed it to if you changed it.

Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold protected 
and cannot be captured for that hold?  Right now it pulls from hold copy map, 
but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the age hold protection 
might be possible to add.

Thanks
Josh



Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org
Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139
LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Registration is now open for the 2018 Evergreen International Conference

2017-11-28 Thread Deborah Luchenbill 
On behalf of the 2018 Evergreen International Conference Planning Committee, I 
am pleased to announce that registration is now open for the 2018 conference, 
May 1st through May 3rd  in St. Charles, MO (pre-conference activities on April 
30). 

 

The conference will be held at the St. Charles Convention Center, with the 
hotel block in the attached Embassy Suites Hotel St. Charles.


The St. Charles Convention Center is close to historic St. Charles, MO and its 
many local restaurants, shops, microbrews, and wineries as well as the Streets 
of St. Charles mixed-use community and its shops, restaurants, and movie 
theater.  There will be a lot of fun things to do and see, in addition to 
attending the conference!
 

Please be on the watch for further announcements about programs, activities, 
and our keynote speaker. 



Registration can be accessed using this link:  http://bit.ly/2ACZyTj, or via 
the conference main web page:  
https://evergreen-ils.org/conference/2018-evergreen-international-conference/.



On April 30, we'll have all-day Development and Documentation Hackfests and 
four half-day pre-conference sessions, which you can add to your registration.  
Read about the pre-conferences here:

https://evergreen-ils.org/conference/2018-evergreen-international-conference/2018-conference-programs-and-schedule/
 We are very excited to welcome you to the 2018 Evergreen International 
Conference!


Best,
Debbie Luchenbill
Maegan Bragg
Donna Bacon
The whole 2018 Conference Crew

Debbie Luchenbill
Evergreen Coordinator
MOBIUS
111 E. Broadway, Ste. 220
Columbia, MO  65203
deb...@mobiusconsortium.org
573-234-4914
https://mobiusconsortium.org
Missouri Evergreen Help Desk: h...@mobiusconsortium.org / 877-312-3517
http://libraries.missourievergreen.org

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies

2017-11-28 Thread Mike Rylander 
Scott,

It's not that you can't have a hybrid, but that FIFO sites will end up
getting their holds prioritized over proximity-based sites if there is
resource sharing between them, all else being equal, as FIFO only cares
about request time and proximity cares about "closeness".  Having just one
or the other in use means nobody gets the short end of the stick.

HTH,


--
Mike Rylander
 | President
 | Equinox Open Library Initiative
 | phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
 | email:  mi...@equinoxinitiative.org
 | web:  http://equinoxinitiative.org

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:30 AM, scott.tho...@sparkpa.org <
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> wrote:

> Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is
> all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium
> plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears
> some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or
> do not do so beyond the local library system?
>
> Thank you,
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> Scott Thomas
>
> Executive Director
>
> *PaILS / SPARK*
>
> (717) 873-9461
>
> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
>
> [image: Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's
> Statewide Library System] 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-
> boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Diane Disbro
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group  georgialibraries.org>; ME list serv 
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold
> queue and potential copies
>
>
>
> I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other
> than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online
> account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or
> months to get it.
>
>
>
> Thank you, Josh, for asking.
>
>
> Diane Disbro
>
> Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager
>
> Union Branch
>
> Scenic Regional Library
>
> 308 Hawthorne Drive
> 
>
> Union, MO
> 
>   63084
> 
>
> (636) 583-3224
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro 
> wrote:
>
> Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold
> selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in
> your catalog.  We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position
> for holds, along with all potential copies.  This gives users bad info
> since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and
> are filled based on proximity for other locations.  And since one org uses
> age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate either since half
> the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds.
>
>
>
> Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2?
> Did you modify it in some way?  I would like to see examples of what you
> changed it to if you changed it.
>
>
>
> Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold
> protected and cannot be captured for that hold?  Right now it pulls from
> hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the
> age hold protection might be possible to add.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org
>
> Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139 <(218)%20233-3757>
>
> LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110 <(218)%20790-2110>
>
>
>
>
>

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Firefox Quantum Add-ons theme for Evergreen 3.0

2017-11-28 Thread Donald Butterworth 
Hi All,

Has anybody found a color scheme "theme" that matches the Evergreen 3.0
toolbar? The "Dark Green by MaDonna" that I'm using now isn't that great of
a match.

I don't want to go through all 506 screens to find the perfect theme.
Anyone found one they really like?

Thanks!

Don

-- 
Don Butterworth
Collection Management Librarian /
Faculty Associate
B.L. Fisher Library
Asbury Theological Seminary
don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu
(859) 858-2227

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies

2017-11-28 Thread scott.tho...@sparkpa.org 
Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is all 
proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium plan to 
resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears some of you 
are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or do not do so 
beyond the local library system?

Thank you,
Scott


Scott Thomas
Executive Director
PaILS / SPARK
(717) 873-9461
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
[Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide Library 
System]



From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Diane 
Disbro
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group ; ME 
list serv 
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and 
potential copies

I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than 
try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that 
they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it.

Thank you, Josh, for asking.

Diane Disbro
Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager
Union Branch
Scenic Regional Library
308 Hawthorne Drive
Union, MO 63084
(636) 583-3224

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro 
> wrote:
Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold 
selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in 
your catalog.  We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for 
holds, along with all potential copies.  This gives users bad info since for us 
holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on 
proximity for other locations.  And since one org uses age hold protection, the 
total copy count isn’t accurate either since half the copies might be age hold 
protected so they cannot fill the users holds.

Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2?  
Did you modify it in some way?  I would like to see examples of what you 
changed it to if you changed it.

Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold protected 
and cannot be captured for that hold?  Right now it pulls from hold copy map, 
but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the age hold protection 
might be possible to add.

Thanks
Josh



Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org
Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139
LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies

2017-11-28 Thread Terran McCanna 
At PINES we just comment out the hold order in the OPAC and self-check
templates so that the patron doesn't see it.

Terran McCanna
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, GA 30345
404-235-7138
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:30 AM, scott.tho...@sparkpa.org <
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> wrote:

> Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is
> all proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium
> plan to resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears
> some of you are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or
> do not do so beyond the local library system?
>
> Thank you,
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> Scott Thomas
>
> Executive Director
>
> *PaILS / SPARK*
>
> (717) 873-9461
>
> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
>
> [image: Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's
> Statewide Library System] 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-
> boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Diane Disbro
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group  georgialibraries.org>; ME list serv 
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold
> queue and potential copies
>
>
>
> I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other
> than try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online
> account that they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or
> months to get it.
>
>
>
> Thank you, Josh, for asking.
>
>
> Diane Disbro
>
> Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager
>
> Union Branch
>
> Scenic Regional Library
>
> 308 Hawthorne Drive
> 
>
> Union, MO
> 
>   63084
> 
>
> (636) 583-3224
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro 
> wrote:
>
> Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold
> selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in
> your catalog.  We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position
> for holds, along with all potential copies.  This gives users bad info
> since for us holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and
> are filled based on proximity for other locations.  And since one org uses
> age hold protection, the total copy count isn’t accurate either since half
> the copies might be age hold protected so they cannot fill the users holds.
>
>
>
> Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2?
> Did you modify it in some way?  I would like to see examples of what you
> changed it to if you changed it.
>
>
>
> Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold
> protected and cannot be captured for that hold?  Right now it pulls from
> hold copy map, but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the
> age hold protection might be possible to add.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org
>
> Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139 <(218)%20233-3757>
>
> LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110 <(218)%20790-2110>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Firefox Quantum Add-ons theme for Evergreen 3.0

2017-11-28 Thread Janet Schrader 
Hi Don,

I have Simple Green. I think that matches quite well.



Janet

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Donald Butterworth <
don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Has anybody found a color scheme "theme" that matches the Evergreen 3.0
> toolbar? The "Dark Green by MaDonna" that I'm using now isn't that great of
> a match.
>
> I don't want to go through all 506 screens to find the perfect theme.
> Anyone found one they really like?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don
>
> --
> Don Butterworth
> Collection Management Librarian /
> Faculty Associate
> B.L. Fisher Library
> Asbury Theological Seminary
> don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu
> (859) 858-2227
>



-- 
Janet Schrader
BIbliographic Services Supervisor
C/W MARS Inc.
67 Millbrook Street, Suite 201
Worcester, MA
tel: 508-755-3323 ext. 325
fax: 508-757-7801

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and potential copies

2017-11-28 Thread Josh Stompro 
Hello Scott, we do resource share.  One of our systems is 3x larger than the 
other, so the smaller system uses age hold protection on their new items to 
keep them home for a while.  Otherwise we were seeing 4x more holds placed by 
the larger system which was pulling a disproportionate share of new material 
from the smaller system.  The smaller system also recently decided to use FIFO 
vs proximity for their holds, while the larger system is sticking with check-in 
proximity priority.

Most of the highly sought after items that have lots of holds are new items in 
our experience, so the smaller system that is using FIFO will only fill their 
own customers holds in FIFO order until the age hold protection expires.  Once 
it expires then there is a chance that the larger system’s holds will get 
priority if they are older than the remaining smaller systems holds.  We don’t 
know if that is going to be a problem in actual usage yet.

Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of 
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:31 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and 
potential copies

Another interesting issue was raised in this discussion. Our consortium is all 
proximity because we were told that, if org units within a consortium plan to 
resource share, they must all be FIFO or proximity, but it appears some of you 
are hybrids. Can I assume you do not resource share at all or do not do so 
beyond the local library system?
Thank you,
Scott


Scott Thomas
Executive Director
PaILS / SPARK
(717) 873-9461
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
[Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide Library 
System]



From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Diane 
Disbro
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:30 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
>;
 ME list serv 
>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Catalog holds status display - Hold queue and 
potential copies

I am very interested to hear if someone has done something with this other than 
try to explain to disgruntled patrons why they see in their online account that 
they are next in the queue for an item but they wait weeks or months to get it.

Thank you, Josh, for asking.

Diane Disbro
Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager
Union Branch
Scenic Regional Library
308 Hawthorne Drive
Union, MO 63084
(636) 583-3224

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Josh Stompro 
> wrote:
Hello, Those of you that use age hold protection and non FIFO best hold 
selection sort order, what have you done with the status column of holds in 
your catalog.  We just noticed that it is showing the FIFO queue position for 
holds, along with all potential copies.  This gives users bad info since for us 
holds are sometimes filled in FIFO order for some orgs, and are filled based on 
proximity for other locations.  And since one org uses age hold protection, the 
total copy count isn’t accurate either since half the copies might be age hold 
protected so they cannot fill the users holds.

Did you just remove that section from templates/opac/parts/hold_status.tt2?  
Did you modify it in some way?  I would like to see examples of what you 
changed it to if you changed it.

Should the potential copies count exclude copies that are age hold protected 
and cannot be captured for that hold?  Right now it pulls from hold copy map, 
but it looks like restricting the copy count based on the age hold protection 
might be possible to add.

Thanks
Josh



Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org
Josh Stompro | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139
LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110