Re: [OpenAFS] installing OpenAFS-client on Ubuntu

2006-01-29 Thread Ryan Propper
I forgot to mention one intermediate step I had to perform, though I don't know if it makes a difference. (Apologies, but it slipped my mind!) During sudo module-assistant auto-build openafs-modules the setup failed about halfway through. I checked the error log and found that the install script

Re: [OpenAFS] FC3 network install with OpenAFS rpms

2006-01-29 Thread Sergio Gelato
* Ron Croonenberg [2006-01-28 12:46:17 -0500]: I pxe booted the machines, used kickstart with the nfs way of installing things including the OpenAFS rpm's for the client install. However, the newer versions of the OpenAFS rpms check to see what kernel they are running on and if it isn't

Re: [OpenAFS] installing OpenAFS-client on Ubuntu

2006-01-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Ryan Propper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I forgot to mention one intermediate step I had to perform, though I don't know if it makes a difference. (Apologies, but it slipped my mind!) During sudo module-assistant auto-build openafs-modules the setup failed about halfway through. I checked

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: foreign-realm members of system:administrators have weakened powers?

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Adam Megacz wrote: To clarify, I need to point them at an installer on openafs.org that they can double click (with a strong preference for being able to accept all the default options). This is for Windows and MacOS users; the Linux users know what they're doing (I hope). Considering that

[OpenAFS] Re: foreign-realm members of system:administrators have weakened powers?

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
Jeffrey Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nor is it what we want you to do. If bandwidth is a concern I can certainly arrange to host a mirror of the openafs downloads. We have plenty of bandwidth here. - a ___ OpenAFS-info mailing list

[OpenAFS] the notion of site is not always well-defined / project cells

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
[ As a side note, I finally got this whole thing working by creating the ] [ bogus AFSDB entry mentioned earlier. But I'd like to continue this ] [ discussion because I think the use case I've set up is a very valuable ] [ one. I'm currently working on a detailed guide on how to set up

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: foreign-realm members of system:administrators have weakened powers?

2006-01-29 Thread Derrick J Brashear
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Adam Megacz wrote: Jeffrey Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nor is it what we want you to do. If bandwidth is a concern I can certainly arrange to host a mirror of the openafs downloads. We have plenty of bandwidth here. You have failed to understand. He's saying

Re: [OpenAFS] the notion of site is not always well-defined / project cells

2006-01-29 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Jan 29, 2006, at 6:19 , Adam Megacz wrote: I think the confusion comes from the fact that AFS was originally a commercial software program that you had to pay a huge amount of money for. Therefore, every user had exactly one site -- the organization that paid for his/her copy. It was

[OpenAFS] Re: the notion of site is not always well-defined / project cells

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
(sorry if this appears twice) Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, no. AFS was originally developed to serve the needs of Carnegie Mellon University, which still has multiple cells. IBM helped fund its development (much as DEC and others helped fund MIT's Project Athena

[OpenAFS] Re: the notion of site is not always well-defined / project cells

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
(sorry if this appears twice) Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, no. AFS was originally developed to serve the needs of Carnegie Mellon University, which still has multiple cells. IBM helped fund its development (much as DEC and others helped fund MIT's Project Athena

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: foreign-realm members of system:administrators have weakened powers?

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Adam Megacz wrote: Jeffrey Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nor is it what we want you to do. If bandwidth is a concern I can certainly arrange to host a mirror of the openafs downloads. We have plenty of bandwidth here. - a Its not a question of bandwidth. I'm sure that MIT and CMU

Re: [OpenAFS] the notion of site is not always well-defined / project cells

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Adam Megacz wrote: I argue that, in the post-Transarc era, there are a large number of situations where OpenAFS is useful for which no coherent/meaningful definition of site exists (cell, of course, is still well-defined). For 99% of users, they install OpenAFS to access the data in one cell.

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: the notion of site is not always well-defined / project cells

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Adam Megacz wrote: I would actually love to contribute as such a volunteer (as I have done for gcc and other projects), but my desire to do so has been totally nuked by the sorts of assumptions ingrained in those who decide which contributions get accepted and which don't. The gcc project

Re: [OpenAFS] the notion of site is not always well-defined / project cells

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Sunday, January 29, 2006 06:13:29 PM -0800 Jeffrey Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Megacz wrote: I argue that, in the post-Transarc era, there are a large number of situations where OpenAFS is useful for which no coherent/meaningful definition of site exists (cell, of course, is

Re: [OpenAFS] the notion of site is not always well-defined / project cells

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: The problem, Jeff, is that you have not quite gotten over the antiquated notion of a site in which a central administrator exerts complete control over all the services and all the clients. Jeff: I don't believe that any service provider has complete control over

Re: [OpenAFS] FC3 network install with OpenAFS rpms

2006-01-29 Thread Derek Atkins
Ron Croonenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] I'm not sure what you mean.. The RPM doesn't care about the RUNNING kernel.. It /does/ care about having 'kernel = version where version is the kernel version the RPM was built against. Is there a way around it ? Um, maybe you could just

[OpenAFS] Re: the notion of site is not always well-defined / project cells

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
Jeffrey Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I have said is that before I as a gatekeeper would accept code that makes fundamental changes to the way authentication and authorization works, It's cool, I understand this even if I don't agree with it. I (grudgingly) revived this point

[OpenAFS] Re: the notion of site is not always well-defined / project cells

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
Side note: Jeff H's description of my situation is exactly correct, down to the last detail. Jeffrey Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Adam is the administrator of his cell and until he can convince the powers that be at Berkeley to distribute configuration data for him This is the strange