Hello Erik,
I will provide you a quick answer, but I'll reply to the list so other may
comment as well.
Instructions and Actions are both entry subtypes but the difference is that
Instructions tell what the planned activities were and Actions tell which
actual actions were taken. They are meant
Hi Bert,
Yes, I believe it should be changed. I actually made a heading change for
the subject setting in the GUI of the archetype editor when I saw that the
subject attribute of the ENTRY classes should be a PARTY_RELATED (which
represents the relation to the subject of data) and not a
and features have been added and version 0.5 of the editor
(including the source code) will be released before the end of this month.
Regards,
Mattias Forss
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2007/1/8, Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at oceaninformatics.biz:
Koray Atalag wrote:
QUESTION-1: What is the correct approach for above problem?
as Sam has said your understanding is correct and the archetype is in
error.
QUESTION-2: Assume in some other place in the archetype you
the description (and even
terminology binding) might become erroneous?.
best regards
Mattias Forss escribi?:
2007/1/8, Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at oceaninformatics.biz:
Koray Atalag wrote:
QUESTION-1: What is the correct approach for above problem?
as Sam has said your
2007/1/3, Andrew Patterson andrewpatto at gmail.com:
The system at present is performing mappings on pre-modeled archetypes
depriving it the luxury of having access to the author.
This is what I meant by the 'split' case - a split between the
people/group
constructing the archetype, and
2006/12/19, Williamtfgoossen at cs.com Williamtfgoossen at cs.com:
In een bericht met de datum 18-12-2006 18:00:54 West-Europa
(standaardtijd), schrijft mattias.forss at gmail.com:
Maybe you're right, the definitions could be added as comments, but for
proprietary terminology like SNOMED CT
Hi Ian,
Archetypes are designed to be loosely coupled with terminology so that they
can be used when there are no terminology resources available.
If we have comments of the bindings, we get another problem because if the
definition of the binding changes (for example a translated term is
2006/12/18, Ian McNicoll ian at gpacc.co.uk:
Hi Mattias,
I do appreciate these difficulties but if the definition of the binding
changes the binding itself may be obsolete.
If the binding changes so much in the terminology that it may be obsolete in
the archetype it would probably lead to
2006/12/8, Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at oceaninformatics.biz:
Mattias Forss wrote:
Does this mean that the ratio constraint could as of now be removed from
the archetype editors? Will the DV_RATIO class be removed from the
specifications as well? If not, should the editors change
2006/11/30, Sam Heard sam.heard at oceaninformatics.biz:
Dear All
We have been working on the data types as we have known that there is a
need to deal with fractions, ratios and percentages when the idea is of
proportion - ie there is no units. Since the DV_QUANTITY_RATIO points to
Hi all,
I'm wondering what the difference is between a CONSTRAINT_REF and a
C_DV_CODED_TEXT that has the query attribute set? The descriptions of the
two are the following:
CONSTRAINT_REF class description:
Reference to a constraint described in the same archetype, but outside the
main
2006/11/21, Sam Heard sam.heard at oceaninformatics.biz:
The Ontology is so huge I have wondered about having the Text and
Description as attributes - it would save a lot of space and I do not think
it would complicate things at all.
What do others think?
Sounds like a good idea as long as
xsi:type=C_COMPLEX_OBJECT.../item
item xsi:type=C_COMPLEX_OBJECT.../item
/members
/attributes
Regards
Heath
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2006/11/17, Andrew Patterson andrewpatto at gmail.com:
I know that the C_MULTIPLE_ATTRIBUTE class has a property of 'members'
in
the AOM (since I know the AOM very much in detail), but it's not in the
XML
schema specification. I have not followed the AOM, because I thought I
was
only
2006/11/17, Heath Frankel heath.frankel at frankelinformatics.com:
The AOM is at fault in this instance - the AOM has a field
defined in C_ATTRIBUTE called 'children', and then proceeds
to rename this field to 'attributes' and 'members' in the two
subclasses C_SINGLE_ATTRIBUTE and
2006/11/17, Bert Verhees bert.verhees at rosa.nl:
Bert Verhees schreef:
Mattias Forss schreef:
Well, I'm no expert on XSD since I never cared about learning it...
but if I go back to your example, why didn't you use xsi:type in some
places, for example:
I don't know if you ever saw
Andrew,
In your example, you have the other_contributors element even when it has no
children, but the schema specification says that it's optional, i.e.
other_contributors
2006/11/13, Rong Chen rong.acode at gmail.com:
I am not sure if it's safe to allow cross-use of internal archetype nodes
for data entering. A better approach in my view is to separate the common
archetype node into a standalone archetype and include it in other archetype
or template.
For
2006/11/13, Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at oceaninformatics.biz:
Hi Matiass,
Mattias Forss wrote:
Archetype A and archetype B will have 'correct archetype paths
according to where the fragment was put', but will they refer to the
same paths? When I talked about data I meant what
2006/11/13, Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at oceaninformatics.biz:
Mattias Forss wrote:
Yes, I knew that. There seems to be some options when archetypes need
to reference the same kind of information to be entered in an EHR, e.g
. slots, specialisations, etc. Some EHR data should
Hi,
I am doing some experiments on a XML serializer for the Java archetype
editor. I wonder if there are any example XML archetypes that I can look at
to verify that I follow the XML-schema documentation correctly?
Regards,
Mattias
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Hi Thomas,
Thank you very much for your answers. They were quite clear and easy to
understand as they often are. I have some more questions below...
2006/11/7, Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at oceaninformatics.biz:
I'll just provide some formal answers below.
Mattias Forss wrote:
Hi,
I'm
2006/11/8, Mattias Forss mattias.forss at gmail.com:
We would also like to ask if there is a way of specifying validity for
questions depending on previously answered questions. E.g. if a certain
answer was given from a multiple alternative question (coded_text), then and
only then, some
2006/11/6, Sam Heard sam.heard at oceaninformatics.biz:
Hi Mattias
I'm currently working in a group that has been evaluating archetypes and
they found out that there in archetypes may be needed to add external nodes
from other archetypes instead of only adding complete archetypes as slots.
stuff, I'd like to see computing systems that
machine
process those... (And I don't mean Excel).
Quoting Williamtfgoossen at cs.com:
Mattias Forss mattias.forss at gmail.com wrote:
Hello Mattias,
these are exactly the questions, issues I have been working on for 3
years
now. All I
Hi,
I'm currently working in a group that has been evaluating archetypes and
they found out that there in archetypes may be needed to add external nodes
from other archetypes instead of only adding complete archetypes as slots.
Does the current ADL specification allow that external parts from
- if there is a syntax equivalent for this type, then use it
- otherwise use generic ADL
Should also be documented somewhere.
Regards,
Mattias
2006/10/31, Mattias Forss mattias.forss at gmail.com:
Hi,
I started wondering about different representations of ISM_TRANSITIONs of
the ism_transition attribute
How about specialised archetypes? Wouldn't there be occasions when a
parent archetype has some attribute, which a child (specialisation) of
that archetype don't want to deal with?
Mattias
2006/10/25, Sam Heard sam.heard at oceaninformatics.biz:
This is not sensible to have in an archetype -
2006/10/11, Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at oceaninformatics.biz:
Mattias Forss wrote:
2006/10/9, Mattias Forss mattias.forss at gmail.com:
2006/10/8, Sam Heard sam.heard at oceaninformatics.biz:
Christoph
Some things have been around for a long time in our development and one
2006/10/8, Sam Heard sam.heard at oceaninformatics.biz:
Christoph
Some things have been around for a long time in our development and one was
to have state defined at the root level even though it applied to each
event. The current editor should read both but saves the correct version.
2006/10/9, Mattias Forss mattias.forss at gmail.com:
2006/10/8, Sam Heard sam.heard at oceaninformatics.biz:
Christoph
Some things have been around for a long time in our development and one was
to have state defined at the root level even though it applied to each
event. The current
the framework of the
EU-funded Network of Excellence entitled Semantic Interoperability and
Data Mining in Medicine. Read more about Semantic Mining at
http://www.semanticmining.org .
Best regards,
Mattias Forss via the Medical Informatics Group,
Department of Biomedical Engineering,
Link?ping University
2006/9/26, Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at oceaninformatics.biz:
I have improved the documentation in the class definitions, and added
the following invariant to History:
period_consistency: is_periodic implies events.for_all (e: EVENT |
e.offset.to_seconds.mod(period.to_seconds) =
2006/9/20, Gerard Freriks gfrer at luna.nl:
Hi,
I'm not a pathologist.
But was a GP.
As GP I'm not interested in an arbitrary classification.
What is minimally necessary are: the value, the units of measurement and
the normal range as used in that lab for that measurement at that time.
2006/9/2, Bert Verhees bert.verhees at rosa.nl:
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Mattias Forss schreef:
We used (and modified) parts of the code from the existing editor
which was used as a facade against the openEHR archetype object model
since that model is immutable
There is already a Java-based archetype editor available here:
http://svn.openehr.org/knowledge/archetypes/dev/index.html
Regards,
Mattias Forss
2006/8/27, minreddy minreddy minreddy at yahoo.com:
Hello
I'm thinking to port Archchetype editor to Linux.
(As myself don't run windows at all
will happen in the future when other programmers
can join an open source Java archetype editor project.
Regards,
Mattias
These are only some suggestions from a rainy day in region of the South
Central France
regards
Bert Verhees
Regards,
Mattias Forss
2006/8/27, minreddy
at the repository the
state attreibute is of the type ITEM_STRUCTURE which make it equal to the
CARE_ENTRY.protocol attribute. I believe all the observation archetypes that
have the state attribute will have to be fixed...
Regards,
Mattias Forss
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could answer my previous questions
about composition attributes. Should it be possible to have several
categories for a composition? Should the category attribute always be
present in a composition archetype?
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not sure if
it's good in a user perspective, but I don't see a reason why it shouldn't
be possible. Any comments?
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Hi David,
The lifecycle field is optional in the archetype identifier, see
http://svn.openehr.org/specification/TRUNK/publishing/architecture/am/archetype_system.pdf
.
However, this document is under re-development so I don't know more about
the identifier than what's in the document. Another
2006/5/17, Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at oceaninformatics.biz:
Sam Heard wrote:
Mattias
This is a good discussion with some issues that need to be taken
further. The problem I face as a clinician is that tables in medicine
are often presented with the same data types across the row -
that contain actual data (ELEMENTs)?
Tom will be getting to this I think as I did an edit some time ago..Sam
Cheers,
Mattias
Hope this is OK.
Cheers, Sam
Mattias Forss wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to add support for ITEM_TABLE in the Java Archetype Editor
and I have looked
(ELEMENTs)?
Tom will be getting to this I think as I did an edit some time ago..Sam
Cheers,
Mattias
Hope this is OK.
Cheers, Sam
Mattias Forss wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to add support for ITEM_TABLE in the Java Archetype Editor
and I have looked
2006/5/16, Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at oceaninformatics.biz:
Mattias Forss wrote:
2006/5/16, Sam Heard sam.heard at oceaninformatics.biz
mailto:sam.heard at oceaninformatics.biz:
Well, we do not think it is only a matter of display - although it
could be seen
and/or contents of this
attribute with some GUI component or should it be done automatically
whenever new columns are added that contain actual data (ELEMENTs)?
Cheers,
Mattias
Hope this is OK.
Cheers, Sam
Mattias Forss wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to add support for ITEM_TABLE in the Java Archetype
ITEM_STRUCTURE
Attributes
0..1 columns: ListCLUSTER
Physical representation of the table
as a list of CLUSTERs, each containing
the data of one column of the
table.
Hope someone can help me.
Regards,
Mattias Forss
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Hi Sam,
I've been looking at the openEHR archetype profile specification and I can
see that for the C_DV_QUANTITY class the property attribute should be a data
type called DV_CODED_TEXT. However, I haven't seen the [terminology::code]
representation of a coded text in the archetypes that are
and will
have the release 1.0 tools and archetypes available very shortly.
The editor, alpha, on the Ocean site will create them in the release 1.0 form.
Cheers, Sam
Mattias Forss wrote:
Hello,
I've just compared some Composition archetypes from Ocean Informatics with
the specifications
in archetypes is what really matters and the terms can
always be bound to external terminologies to create a mutual
understanding.
Regards,
Mattias Forss
model structures in archetypes is what really matters and the
terms can always be bound to external terminologies to create a mutual
understanding.
Regards,
Mattias Forss
/archetype_principles.pdf
Content:
2 Purpose of Archetypes and Templates
2.1 Purpose of Archetypes
Archetypes are created for a number of purposes (described in detail in [1]
and [3]), summarised here
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UNIT matches {
unit_string matches {cm/s2}
magnitude matches {| 0.0|}
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UNIT matches {
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magnitude matches {|= 0.0|}
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From: Thomas Beale thomas.be...@oceaninformatics.biz
To: openehr-technical at openehr.org
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Ocean's Archetype Editor
Mattias Forss wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to figure out which reference model
.
Regards,
Mattias Forss (MSc student)
Medical Informatics group at the Department of Biomedical Engineering
Link?pings universitet, Sweden
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