Re: SV: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-20 Thread Ian McNicoll
In the context of exposing a unique Identifier at Entry level e.g for FHIR mapping, I wondered about concatenating the composiitonUid (inc. version) with an Entry UID. i.e Versioning (as now) is handled at composition/contribution level. Ian Dr Ian McNicoll mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 office +44 (0

Re: SV: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-19 Thread Thomas Beale
On 16/12/2016 02:37, Bjørn Næss wrote: If you add UID on ENTRY level and you want to use that for some referencing/look up functionality: How do you handle versioning of Compositions and its content? Is it a new entry UID for each version ? same UID across versions. There is a way to identi

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-19 Thread Diego Boscá
I believe that ISO 13606 renewal has proposed uuid to be made optional, but they are still there El 18/12/2016 23:23, "Heath Frankel" escribió: > I think it should be a strong recommendation rather than mandatory > considering it is currently optional and the need for backward > compatibility. >

SV: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-19 Thread Bjørn Næss
nical@lists.openehr.org Emne: Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory? right. Good argument from evidence for the UID. Want to create a PR with these notes? Not sure about mixing URIs with UIDs... OTOH, usually easy to detect by parsing. - thomas On 19/12/2016 09:22, Heath Frankel wro

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-18 Thread Bert Verhees
I completely agree with this argument from Heath : I think it should be a strong recommendation rather than mandatory considering it is currently optional and the need for backward compatibility. Op ma 19 dec. 2016 07:07 schreef Thomas Beale : I knew that :) On 19/12/2016 14:17, Grahame Grieve

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-18 Thread Thomas Beale
I knew that :) On 19/12/2016 14:17, Grahame Grieve wrote: Not sure about mixing URIs with UIDs... OTOH, usually easy to detect by parsing. there's a URI format for UIDS: urn:uuid:{lowercase} That's the best to handle mixing them Grahame

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-18 Thread Grahame Grieve
> > Not sure about mixing URIs with UIDs... OTOH, usually easy to detect by > parsing. > there's a URI format for UIDS: urn:uuid:{lowercase} That's the best to handle mixing them Grahame > - thomas > > On 19/12/2016 09:22, Heath Frankel wrote: > > I think it should be a strong recommendation ra

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-18 Thread Thomas Beale
right. Good argument from evidence for the UID. Want to create a PR with these notes? Not sure about mixing URIs with UIDs... OTOH, usually easy to detect by parsing. - thomas On 19/12/2016 09:22, Heath Frankel wrote: I think it should be a strong recommendation rather than mandatory con

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-18 Thread Heath Frankel
I think it should be a strong recommendation rather than mandatory considering it is currently optional and the need for backward compatibility. I also think it maybe difficult to apply consistently in some cases such as feeder data. There are cases in CDA profiles where there are mandatory IDs a

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-18 Thread Thomas Beale
I also think that would be a good idea, since ENTRY = clinical statement. We could make it an openEHR rule. - thomas On 14/12/2016 00:24, Ian McNicoll wrote: There may be some advantages in routine application of uid at ENTRY level. Ian Dr Ian McNicoll mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 office +44

SV: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-15 Thread Bjørn Næss
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Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-13 Thread Pieter Bos
That sounds reasonable. I wonder how many existing systems already do this… Regards, Pieter Bos Nedap Healthcare On 13/12/16 14:24, "openEHR-technical on behalf of Ian McNicoll" wrote: There may be some advantages in routine application of uid at ENTRY level. Ian Dr Ian McNi

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-13 Thread Ian McNicoll
There may be some advantages in routine application of uid at ENTRY level. Ian Dr Ian McNicoll mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 office +44 (0)1536 414994 skype: ianmcnicoll email: i...@freshehr.com twitter: @ianmcnicoll Co-Chair, openEHR Foundation ian.mcnic...@openehr.org Director, freshEHR Clinical

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-13 Thread Thomas Beale
On 13/12/2016 23:46, Seref Arikan wrote: My preferred scenario would be to have an identifier on every node indeed. Not having that, I could live with identifiers for at least some types, such as entry subtypes and a few more. If it cannot be UID, so be it. What is the meaning of overhead h

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-13 Thread Seref Arikan
This looks like it. Thanks. On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Thomas Beale wrote: > https://openehr.atlassian.net/projects/SPECPR/issues/SPECPR- > 91?filter=allopenissues > > > On 13/12/2016 23:01, Boštjan Lah wrote: > >> On 13 Dec 2016, at 12:36, Thomas Beale wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13/12/20

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-13 Thread Thomas Beale
https://openehr.atlassian.net/projects/SPECPR/issues/SPECPR-91?filter=allopenissues On 13/12/2016 23:01, Boštjan Lah wrote: On 13 Dec 2016, at 12:36, Thomas Beale wrote: On 13/12/2016 22:27, Pieter Bos wrote: Generally the top-level structures will have a UID, and the other nodes can be r

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-13 Thread Seref Arikan
My preferred scenario would be to have an identifier on every node indeed. Not having that, I could live with identifiers for at least some types, such as entry subtypes and a few more. If it cannot be UID, so be it. What is the meaning of overhead here? Processing time? Memory/disk space? Accordi

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-13 Thread Boštjan Lah
> On 13 Dec 2016, at 12:36, Thomas Beale wrote: > > > > On 13/12/2016 22:27, Pieter Bos wrote: >> Generally the top-level structures will have a UID, and the other nodes can >> be reached with a path from there. So a UID plus path combination should >> make all features possible. It’s alread

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-13 Thread Thomas Beale
On 13/12/2016 22:27, Pieter Bos wrote: Generally the top-level structures will have a UID, and the other nodes can be reached with a path from there. So a UID plus path combination should make all features possible. It’s already recommended to set the uid on those top-level structures. Sett

Re: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-13 Thread Pieter Bos
technical discussions Subject: Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory? Greetings, Apologies if I missed a discussion about this, but as per http://www.openehr.org/releases/RM/latest/docs/common/common.html#_unique_node_identification "LOCATABLE descendants may have a uid, contain

Could the specs group consider making uid mandatory?

2016-12-13 Thread Seref Arikan
Greetings, Apologies if I missed a discussion about this, but as per http://www.openehr.org/releases/RM/latest/docs/common/common.html#_unique_node_identification "LOCATABLE descendants may have a *uid*, containing a GUID" The optional/recommended nature of uid makes it impossible to implement