Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread David Forslund
I've been quite impressed by the YAWL work of van der Alst at Eindhoven. It is probably technically superior to some of the other workflow systems out their, particularly in its richness and accuracy of expressing workflow, but I don't believe it supports any of the standards out there. Thus

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread Will Ross
Philippe, Actually, I am still talking about Wayne's focus on the user. As a project manager I spend much of my time in a balancing act by advocating for someone else's perspective. When I work with with IT developers and vendors, the most important missing voice is generally the

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread David Forslund
Communication between HIS isn't specifically a need of a citizen, just the results of it. It has been almost impossible for a patient to be able to see or possess a record of their healthcare which is being done by a variety of organizations and providers. This need for a virtual healthcare

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread David Forslund
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Will!Do you have some example workflow diagrams that you have found useful? Dave Will Ross wrote: Philippe, Actually, I am still talking about Wayne's focus on the user. As a project manager I spend much of my time in a balancing act by advocating

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread Philippe AMELINE
Will, Who is the user you want to show workflow diagrams too? Is he/she an health professional or a citizen/patient? From my point of view, and according to the tools I already elaborated and tested, the health professional should be provided with two different kind of tools : front office

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
Philippe AMELINE wrote: I am ok to put a workflow engine among the front office services, but are you talking about a workflow of people/acts (something like a care path) or a workflow of documents? Good point Philippe from my now outdated experience with workflow tools, there used

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread David Forslund
Philippe AMELINE wrote: Will, Who is the user you want to show workflow diagrams too? Is he/she an health professional or a citizen/patient? I can't speak for Will, but I think workflow is useful for the tasks that people need to do in caring for a patient. In the work we did with City

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread Philippe AMELINE
David, I am not very at ease with this vision. Let's express it simply: what you try to do with a person/care workflow is to make sure that will be present, at a given place and a given time, the patient, the professionals and the proper material. If you work in the care place's referential,

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread Tim.Churches
David Forslund wrote: I've been quite impressed by the YAWL work of van der Alst at Eindhoven. It is probably technically superior to some of the other workflow systems out their, particularly in its richness and accuracy of expressing workflow, but I don't believe it supports any of the

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread Thomas Beale
Tim.Churches wrote: I don't know how big this problem is, but I do know that attempts to have universal graphical languages so far have only succeeded in specialist areas after many years. They haven't worked in programming - else we would all be using UML to program with. Thanks

[openhealth] joining the group from a non-yahoo e-mail account?

2006-03-23 Thread Richard Schilling
I've joined this group - thanks for accepting. But, I'd like to join using a non-yahoo account. Did I miss some instruction on a web page somewhere that tells me how to do that? Thanks. Richard Schilling - New Yahoo! Messenger

Re: [openhealth] joining the group from a non-yahoo e-mail account?

2006-03-23 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Richard -- You're welcome - the group is open to all who are interested in healthcare FOSS. Go to yahoogroups.com - with your Yahoo id, you can associate multiple e-mail addresses, and decide which is the one that receives mail sent to the list. Write to me off list if you need help (but I

[openhealth] Re: Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread rschi2006
I think what Philippe is talking about (continuity of care) is how the hospital moves a patient through their medical organization to get treatment. The view he describes was typically used to describe patient care from the clinician's viewpoint. That is, how a continuity of care for a

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread Tim Cook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Forslund wrote: I'm trying to understand what these reference view points have to do with getting the data between organizations. In a single care place, the data for the patient may have to come from multiple locations to be available to

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread David Forslund
Tim Cook wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Forslund wrote: I'm trying to understand what these reference view points have to do with getting the data between organizations. In a single care place, the data for the patient may have to come from multiple

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread Will Ross
Dave, Attached is a diagram which is part of a practice management software replacement project I am managing for a group of rural ambulatory clinics. This particular diagram maps the initial steps at one clinic as Reception interacts with the current software (HP) when a patient

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread Will Ross
Joseph, I disagree on your community challenge. I think the community aspect of open source is not only over rated, it is in fact a negative, a risk factor to be considered. I think what we need is software that works better than what we have, and so by progressive iterative cycles we

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread Will Ross
oops. now i posted the document in the openhealth files section. [wr] - - - - - - - - On Mar 23, 2006, at 8:01 PM, David Forslund wrote: As you probably noticed, images (and attachments) are stripped off by the mailer, so the diagram isn't visible. :-( What is the communication between

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations Standards.

2006-03-23 Thread David Forslund
Is this workflow put into a computable form or is it just to help understand the various processes? If it is computable, what are you using to describe the workflow. This type of workflow is rather easily described in XPDL, for example, and can drive the various tasks and user inputs. Most of