Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread J. Antas
Horst Herb wrote: Not a matter of believing. We know from available evidence that there are some domains where private enterprise always delivers inferior outcome as compared to *equally funded* public undertakings: research, education and health. That is also my feeling, but up until now I was

alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, denny adelman wrote: ... I found myself wondering what alchemy would bring the open source community into legitimate competition for such large projects. Denny, This is a great question that actually has already been answered. The answer is contained in the history of

Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Tim Churches
On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 05:51, Andrew Ho wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, denny adelman wrote: ... I found myself wondering what alchemy would bring the open source community into legitimate competition for such large projects. Denny, This is a great question that actually has already been

Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 24 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... matter of pure practicality - in order to undertake really complex projects, you need a team of people who can immerse themselves in the project, ... Tim, There is no debate that people are needed. However, how the team come together and operate

Re: Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Tim Churches
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft provides open-source software through Windows XP, for example: ... Does that mean that the answer is a null set, or that you forgot to list the open source software which Microsoft provides through Windows XP? Tim C

resend, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Ho
For some reason, it appears that a support.microsoft.com URL was censored and did not reach Tim. Here it is again (repeated 3x): 1. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/Q306/8/19.ASP 2.

Re: resend, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Michael D. Weisner
Tim Churches wrote: Ah hah! The URLs have been mysteriously moved to the bottom of your message - see below. I found this quite odd. I received both of Andrew's postings with the URL links positioned as he had intended. Sometimes I am just fascinated that we are not driven absolutely mad

Re: Re: resend, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Tim Churches
Tim Churches [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, it appears that a support.microsoft.com URL was censored and did not reach Tim. Here it is again (repeated 3x): 1. 2. 3. Ah hah! The URLs have been mysteriously moved to the

Re: resend, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Tim Churches
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, it appears that a support.microsoft.com URL was censored and did not reach Tim. Here it is again (repeated 3x): 1. 2. 3. Ah hah! The URLs have been mysteriously moved to the bottom of your message - see below. I had a quick look

Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... I had a quick look at the firt of thoose URLs and it is not immediately apparent what its relevance is, ... Can you give us some hints? Tim, The URL points to Microsoft's Windows XP copyright disclosure that mentions inclusion of open-source

Microsoft as open-source software provider, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... OK, I see what you are referring to now - the licenses for BSD material from the Regents of the Uni of California etc at the end of the document. But surely that is an example of Microsoft making use of other party's open source code, Tim, What

Re: Microsoft as open-source software provider, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Tim Churches
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... OK, I see what you are referring to now - the licenses for BSD material from the Regents of the Uni of California etc at the end of the document. But surely that is an example of Microsoft making use of

Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-19 Thread denny adelman
On 18 Feb 2004, at 22:52, Horst Herb wrote: The difference is that one attempts to work for the greater good (but not necessarily sacrifice itself in that process, even FOSS developers have to eat), while the other attempts to maximise profit for itself (and solely for itself) *regardless*

Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-19 Thread Horst Herb
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:56, denny adelman wrote: There are some people here (I am one) who believe in the life-style model of self-employment (risk and adventure) and Commerce (I make it, you want it, we reach a fair deal, thank you's all around, we stay in Who said I disagree? I *am*

Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-19 Thread denny adelman
That's the difference. Time is a limited resource, that costs - knowledge is unlimited, not countable, invaluable and hence no price tag attached. Acquiring knowledge costs time, hence hiring my skills is expensive. But once I completed some work, and I have been paid for my time, I would