Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] AMD graphics for OI?

[Till Wegmüller]

Hi

Well not that long, but definetly somewhere in that range I'm affraid.
Unless somebody sneakily started a porting effort.

Greetings
Till

On 02.05.2018 07:25, srvr_...@srvr-tmpl.ikhider.com wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I know there are graphics drivers for Nvidea hardware, but my hardware
> is AMD.
> 
> What is the status for AMD grahics drivers on OI? Is it one of those
> long-term, "one day...when GNU HURD dominates the marketplace on
> consumer and enterprise systems".
> 
> SM
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] AMD graphics for OI?

[srvr_mnk]

https://xkcd.com/1508/

SM

On 02.05.2018 02:32, Till Wegmüller wrote:

Hi

Well not that long, but definetly somewhere in that range I'm affraid.
Unless somebody sneakily started a porting effort.

Greetings
Till

On 02.05.2018 07:25, srvr_...@srvr-tmpl.ikhider.com wrote:

Hello,

I know there are graphics drivers for Nvidea hardware, but my hardware
is AMD.

What is the status for AMD grahics drivers on OI? Is it one of those
long-term, "one day...when GNU HURD dominates the marketplace on
consumer and enterprise systems".

SM

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI on small x86 systems

[James]

On 01/05/2018 23:09, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:

On 1 May 2018 at 21:14, Jerry Kemp  wrote:

I've been looking for some small x86/x64 systems like this to run Open
Indiana on, for personal/hobby purposes.

...


Another thing is that this HW has 128GB eMMc so I'm not sure is it
will be possible to use OI with this eMMc as root dev.


I don't think eMMC (nor MMC) works under Solaris but perhaps someone 
will be kind enough to give a definitive answer here.  Also what 
barriers are there to making it work?  (Writing/porting drivers...)




I have 1TB miniPCI Samsung Evo 960 SATA plugged in this HW (miniPCI
slot is configurable at BIOS level to support SATA or NVMe over this
interface) and another spindle connected over SATA connector so at
least those devices should be possible to use with OI.


That is promising.

I have a couple of Z83V "Mini PC"s.  Intel Atom x5-Z8350 4-core 1.92GHz, 
2GB DDR3, 32GB eMMC, Intel Graphics VGA Port, Gbit Ethernet, WiFi.


The Z83V only has EFI boot so OI does not work.  Are there similar 
machines with legacy boot?  Perhaps the UP will work.  What work is 
required to make OI work with UEFI?


I have put Linux Mint on a Z83V in the hope of replacing at least one of 
my SunRays for basic desktop usage.  Please don't write in but - Linux 
feels like going back to Solaria 9 with up-to-date added software, eg, 
new Firefox works but the OS does not use ZFS.  I'd much rather have OI 
on it.


I ran Solaris 11.3 for test (no graphics) and used USB memory sticks as 
eMMC is non-working.  The eMMC storage is built in (clue in the name) 
but by using USB a ZFS mirror with hot swap is possible.  USB2 is fast 
enough. The USB3 memory stick I tried used 1W, got very hot and failed.


The performance is perfectly adequate.  Power range: 3W idle 5W busy 
with no screen, +2W for active graphics.


The Z83V's CPU is the same model used in the basic UP-Board.  I'd like 
to try an UP.  The UP has Pi style IO which I assume will not work until 
someone write drivers for OI.  How hard is it?  Otherwise an ESP8266 
doing the physical IO with WiFi to a real computer will be the answer.



Other small systems I own:
A1SAi-2750F Supermicro - runs OI, Power 14W/28W (without storage).
N3700 ASRock Mini-ITX - runs S11 with graphics, didn't try OI, power 
11W/15W.
J3455, tried both ASRock and Gigabyte Mini-ITX MBs - no graphics with 
S11 nor OI. 10W/16W.


Compare with SunRay3+ active power 14W (plus 125W for a 1U server in 
another room).
I hardly class my C2750 systems as small but compared with say a 
SunBlade 2000 they are small except in performance.




James.






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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] AMD graphics for OI?

[Michal Nowak]

On 05/02/2018 07:25 AM, srvr_...@srvr-tmpl.ikhider.com wrote:

Hello,

I know there are graphics drivers for Nvidea hardware, but my hardware 
is AMD.


What is the status for AMD grahics drivers on OI? Is it one of those 
long-term, "one day...when GNU HURD dominates the marketplace on 
consumer and enterprise systems".


SM


If you have (very) old enough graphics card, you may use the Xorg driver 
(it's either called 'ati', or 'radeon') and you should have all the 
functionality. For anything newer the functionality moved from the Xorg 
driver to kernel. So for OpenIndiana to have AMD GFX support, we would 
have to port the Linux code the way it was done with the Intel driver. 
Otherwise you have to stick with 'vesa' driver.


Michal


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] openindiana-discuss Digest, Vol 94, Issue 2

[Bob Pasken]

Still having no luck attempting to run OI-hipster on a Sun Ultra-40m2 
and on a Sun Sunfire X4600. On both machines I get the same PCI error 
initialization error messages at boot and then the system hangs. Tomass 
Soone had a partail solution for the X4600 back a few months ago. I 
hoped that a complete solution would have made into this release.


Cheers
RWP

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] AMD graphics for OI?

[srvr_mnk]

How does one fire up the VESA driver?

Would ATI/AMD contribute to provide some kind of drivers if asked?

There are two drivers for AMD (that I am aware of) MESA and AMD GPU PRO. 
The latter is needed for video production on Linux. MESA is not enough, 
and may be okay for gaming, but not video production. I have not managed 
to get AMD GPU PRO to work even though there are instructions on the AMD 
site. It is buggy and difficult. People on forums have tried to work 
through solutions but the consensus is that AMD needs to get their act 
together.


That said, perhaps there may be more luck (down the road) with AMD GPU 
PRO than MESA?


SM

On 02.05.2018 04:13, Michal Nowak wrote:

On 05/02/2018 07:25 AM, srvr_...@srvr-tmpl.ikhider.com wrote:

Hello,

I know there are graphics drivers for Nvidea hardware, but my hardware 
is AMD.


What is the status for AMD grahics drivers on OI? Is it one of those 
long-term, "one day...when GNU HURD dominates the marketplace on 
consumer and enterprise systems".


SM


If you have (very) old enough graphics card, you may use the Xorg
driver (it's either called 'ati', or 'radeon') and you should have all
the functionality. For anything newer the functionality moved from the
Xorg driver to kernel. So for OpenIndiana to have AMD GFX support, we
would have to port the Linux code the way it was done with the Intel
driver. Otherwise you have to stick with 'vesa' driver.

Michal


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] AMD graphics for OI?

[ken mays via openindiana-discuss]

 Till mentions:
Unless somebody sneakily started a porting effort."

See: https://www.illumos.org/issues/8069
I ported the AMDGPU driver a few years ago. The main AMDGPU-Pro components are 
closed source.

So, no support otherwise...

~K



On Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 11:42:07 AM PDT, 
 wrote:  
 
 How does one fire up the VESA driver?

Would ATI/AMD contribute to provide some kind of drivers if asked?

There are two drivers for AMD (that I am aware of) MESA and AMD GPU PRO. 
The latter is needed for video production on Linux. MESA is not enough, 
and may be okay for gaming, but not video production. I have not managed 
to get AMD GPU PRO to work even though there are instructions on the AMD 
site. It is buggy and difficult. People on forums have tried to work 
through solutions but the consensus is that AMD needs to get their act 
together.

That said, perhaps there may be more luck (down the road) with AMD GPU 
PRO than MESA?

SM

On 02.05.2018 04:13, Michal Nowak wrote:
> On 05/02/2018 07:25 AM, srvr_...@srvr-tmpl.ikhider.com wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I know there are graphics drivers for Nvidea hardware, but my hardware 
>> is AMD.
>> 
>> What is the status for AMD grahics drivers on OI? Is it one of those 
>> long-term, "one day...when GNU HURD dominates the marketplace on 
>> consumer and enterprise systems".
>> 
>> SM
> 
> If you have (very) old enough graphics card, you may use the Xorg
> driver (it's either called 'ati', or 'radeon') and you should have all
> the functionality. For anything newer the functionality moved from the
> Xorg driver to kernel. So for OpenIndiana to have AMD GFX support, we
> would have to port the Linux code the way it was done with the Intel
> driver. Otherwise you have to stick with 'vesa' driver.
> 
> Michal
> 
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] AMD graphics for OI?

[Jerry Kemp]

Thank you Ken,

I had no idea that this existed.

So would I be correct in stating that I could load up OI on a system, along with one of the supported AMD frame buffers and your 
drivers, and, thru those drivers + OpenCL, could use the GPU's to process the computational type of data that people frequently do, 
i.e. mine for bitcoin or some other silly task along those lines?


Thanks again Ken for the work you did.   I looked at the illumous.org link 
below.   Did it really only take you (2) coding hours?

Jerry


On 02/05/18 23:44, ken mays via openindiana-discuss wrote:

  Till mentions:
Unless somebody sneakily started a porting effort."

See: https://www.illumos.org/issues/8069
I ported the AMDGPU driver a few years ago. The main AMDGPU-Pro components are 
closed source.

So, no support otherwise...

~K





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