Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Tim Mooney wrote: > In regard to: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions, Lev said (at > 10:51pm...: > >> Ok, New (not even a) user here, please be gentle. >> >> So I'm considering installing oi as my primary OS. Before I do I have a >> few >> questions. >> >> 1. Is the whole system is package based? Like Linux, unlike FreeBSD. > > > Yes. OI uses the "Image Package System", aka IPS, as its packaging > format. IPS is what Oracle Solaris 11 and later use, and there's an > "IPS cheat sheet" available from Oracle that gives some examples of how > to do certain things. The 'pkg' command works sort of like yum, in > that it can fetch and install packages from remote repositories. > > I think that OI also still supports packages in the older SVR4 package > format. > > I have a very long history with RPM and I find a lot of things about > IPS/pkg somewhat alien, but the fact that IPS integrates with boot > environments is extremely handy. Well IPS is way more powerful than that. Most package management systems (SVR4/APT/RPM) are "fetch a tarball with metadata" while IPS is the GIT equivalent in the package management realm. Do a massive update with IPS and APT then compare the timings... There is a reason why we pay this overhead of rebuilding the index at each install. > >> 2. Is it recommended for desktop OS, or are you focusing on server >> installations? > > > My feeling is the majority of OI users use it for servers. I however use OI > as my desktop environment at my work, and it's served me well for several > years now. I switched to the /hipster branch several months ago, and > that's getting much more attention than the old -dev branch of OI. > > /hipster recently got packages for the MATE desktop environment, and that > will likely be the default in the not too distant future. MATE has been > very well received by the community. > >> 3. Is there any way to install the OS without ZFS? > > > I'm not certain. I guess I don't understand what would prompt one to do > that. ZFS definitely has a learning curve, but it's years ahead of the > nearest competitor. ZFS is one of the "killer features" that > differentiates Illumos-derived (and Oracle Solaris) systems from other > options. > >> 4. Is ext4 is supported? Recommended for root, home? > > > Not that I'm aware of. > >> 5. Is it recommended to install the OS on old HW? I have this currently >> running Debian Linux: > > > There is a hardware compatibility guide in the OI wiki. Check that out. > > Your old hardware won't have USB3 so the current lack of support for USB3 > in all Illumos-derived systems, including OI, won't be a factor for you > right now. Work has started by an Illumos developer to add USB3 support. > >> 6. Is there any web interface for packages, so I can check if there's any >> package that I'll miss, and have to compile by myself. > > > There's a web interface to the various OI repositories, including > /hipster. > > https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Package+Repositories > > If you're just starting with OI, you should really start with the /hipster > branch, so check out the hipster and hipster-encumbered repositories. > >> 7. I also have a server, currently running FreeBSD. It hosts a git server, >> lighttpd based web server, NFS server, and acts as border GW doing NAT. >> Can I >> use oi for these? > > > OI should be able to accomplish all of these tasks for you. Git & > lighttpd should be very easy to get going. NFS has always been available, > and OI supports through at least NFS version 4, though I'm not certain > about 4.1 or 4.2. > > Having OI act as a border GW doing NAT also shouldn't be an issue, though > the commands and the software used to do it on OI might be quite different > than on FreeBSD. > > Tim > -- > Tim Mooney tim.moo...@ndsu.edu > Enterprise Computing & Infrastructure 701-231-1076 (Voice) > Room 242-J6, Quentin Burdick Building 701-231-8541 (Fax) > North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND 58105-5164 > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- --- Praise the Caffeine embeddings ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
In message <20160916235750.36aa0e85@jive>, Lev writes: >In the other hand, I feel this is lack of knowledge as a handicap, and if I >had time, I'd be doing ZFS studies. I just don't want to mess with my live >system. There is full support in FreeBSD, so I could make it running on my >server. The OpenZFS commands in FreeBSD are identical to those in Illumos OSs. FreeBSD current and Illumos BEs and pkg commands are roughly similar, though different enough to require manpage look ups when switching between OSs. Have fun with your explorations. John groenv...@acm.org ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:46:29 -0400 Daniel Kjar wrote: > ZFS is so amazingly good. Every once in a while I google windows 10 > zfs just incase Yes, I know. I read lot of good about it. I even visited FOSSDEM and attended the ZFS sessions. I just don't have the knowledge. In the other hand, I feel this is lack of knowledge as a handicap, and if I had time, I'd be doing ZFS studies. I just don't want to mess with my live system. There is full support in FreeBSD, so I could make it running on my server. Thanks anyways. -- 73 de HA5OGL Op.: Levente ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:44 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016, Lev wrote: >> >> 3. Is there any way to install the OS without ZFS? >>> >>> Yes. But not via installer and not recomended. Why no ZFS if I may >>> ask? It's one of the main features of OI. >> >> >> Lack of knowledge? :-) I'm happy with just normal filesystems on the >> disk. I know ZFS is extra super cool... > > > If you don't plan to add new pools, then ZFS will offer normal filesystems > on the disk without any attention from you. > > If you just have a root pool and it is big enough then you are free to > ignore that ZFS exists. But then it would be criminal to ignore boot environments and snapshots ;) > > Bob > -- > Bob Friesenhahn > bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ > GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- --- Praise the Caffeine embeddings ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
ZFS is so amazingly good. Every once in a while I google windows 10 zfs just incase On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Bob Friesenhahn < bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us> wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016, Lev wrote: > >> >> 3. Is there any way to install the OS without ZFS? >>> Yes. But not via installer and not recomended. Why no ZFS if I may >>> ask? It's one of the main features of OI. >>> >> >> Lack of knowledge? :-) I'm happy with just normal filesystems on the >> disk. I know ZFS is extra super cool... >> > > If you don't plan to add new pools, then ZFS will offer normal filesystems > on the disk without any attention from you. > > If you just have a root pool and it is big enough then you are free to > ignore that ZFS exists. > > Bob > -- > Bob Friesenhahn > bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ > GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > -- Dr. Daniel Kjar Associate Professor of Biology Division of Mathematics and Natural Sciences Elmira College 1 Park Place Elmira, NY 14901 607-735-1826 http://faculty.elmira.edu/dkjar "...humans send their young men to war; ants send their old ladies" -E. O. Wilson ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016, Lev wrote: 3. Is there any way to install the OS without ZFS? Yes. But not via installer and not recomended. Why no ZFS if I may ask? It's one of the main features of OI. Lack of knowledge? :-) I'm happy with just normal filesystems on the disk. I know ZFS is extra super cool... If you don't plan to add new pools, then ZFS will offer normal filesystems on the disk without any attention from you. If you just have a root pool and it is big enough then you are free to ignore that ZFS exists. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
On 16.09.2016 23:28, Lev wrote: Ok. I'll go for XFCE, but I see that you have it. We don't have packages for it. But Tribblix has. So it can be built from source. I use make, cmake, gvim, and codelite. I don't like those giant IDEs like eclipse. I develop software for AVR MCUs and ARM in the future. Be aware that when you are programming in Native languages(C, C++) that you may need a linux to compile the binary for the embedded device. Oh... Well if you develop for ARM you need to cross-compile anyway. So you just need to see how the Compiler you use can do that and what the restrictions are. Okay. I GEUSS that you have the same driver in the kernel as FreeBSD. I have this to do NAT: map tun0 192.168.0.0/16 -> 0.0.0.0/32 portmap tcp/udp auto We have been known to port software from FreeBSD due to relaxed license. And shared ancestory. But might be some coincidence. Other question. Is this hipster thing is more like an unstable distribution? Is there any installation medium for the stable branch? We currently are using a rolling release model. Due to developer Team size we can not have an extensive Q+A process. A Stable branch does thus not exist. You can find the most up to date Isos here: http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/ Greetings Till ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:10:28 +0200 Till Wegmüller wrote: > Welcome to the Community > > > > > 1. Is the whole system is package based? Like Linux, unlike > > FreeBSD. > Depends on what you mean package based. FreeBSD is AFAIK also package > based as linux. They just have Ports as compiling source may not > always be what you want. > > But yes we have a Package system called IPS With FreeBSD, the base system have no packages. Updating/upgrading is done by IMHO black magic. > > 2. Is it recommended for desktop OS, or are you focusing on server > > installations? > We strive to be General Purpose. We recently integrated MATE 1.14 so > we have Desktops precompiled. Ok. I'll go for XFCE, but I see that you have it. > > 3. Is there any way to install the OS without ZFS? > Yes. But not via installer and not recomended. Why no ZFS if I may > ask? It's one of the main features of OI. Lack of knowledge? :-) I'm happy with just normal filesystems on the disk. I know ZFS is extra super cool... > > 4. Is ext4 is supported? Recommended for root, home? > No. Driver is GPL and thus due to licensing issues not ported. Okay. > > 5. Is it recommended to install the OS on old HW? I have this > > currently running Debian Linux: > Depends how much RAM you have you shaould at least have 1.5Gb Okay. > > I use XFCE, and it runs good. I ask this because I run oi in > > Virtualbox, and it is very very slow. > Virtualbox and other virtualisation tends to do that. Especially on > older hardware and with limited RAM. Ok. > > I'd use this computer for software development, embedded software > > development, but also watching movies with mpv. > What IDE/Editor are you using? Not all IDE's for embedded run on OI. > CLion for exmaple does not. I use make, cmake, gvim, and codelite. I don't like those giant IDEs like eclipse. I develop software for AVR MCUs and ARM in the future. > Be aware that when you are programming in Native languages(C, C++) > that you may need a linux to compile the binary for the embedded > device. Oh... > > 6. Is there any web interface for packages, so I can check if > > there's any package that I'll miss, and have to compile by myself. > > > Yes. http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster > > or just type pkg search in commandline. The result is the same. > > > > 7. I also have a server, currently running FreeBSD. It hosts a git > > server, lighttpd based web server, NFS server, and acts as border > > GW doing NAT. Can I use oi for these? > I don't know about lighttpd, we have nginx and apache. But the rest > is do able. I can give you some instructions for NAT. Okay. I GEUSS that you have the same driver in the kernel as FreeBSD. I have this to do NAT: map tun0 192.168.0.0/16 -> 0.0.0.0/32 portmap tcp/udp auto But might be some coincidence. Other question. Is this hipster thing is more like an unstable distribution? Is there any installation medium for the stable branch? Thanks for your fast response. Lev -- 73 de HA5OGL Op.: Levente ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
In regard to: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions, Lev said (at 10:51pm...: Ok, New (not even a) user here, please be gentle. So I'm considering installing oi as my primary OS. Before I do I have a few questions. 1. Is the whole system is package based? Like Linux, unlike FreeBSD. Yes. OI uses the "Image Package System", aka IPS, as its packaging format. IPS is what Oracle Solaris 11 and later use, and there's an "IPS cheat sheet" available from Oracle that gives some examples of how to do certain things. The 'pkg' command works sort of like yum, in that it can fetch and install packages from remote repositories. I think that OI also still supports packages in the older SVR4 package format. I have a very long history with RPM and I find a lot of things about IPS/pkg somewhat alien, but the fact that IPS integrates with boot environments is extremely handy. 2. Is it recommended for desktop OS, or are you focusing on server installations? My feeling is the majority of OI users use it for servers. I however use OI as my desktop environment at my work, and it's served me well for several years now. I switched to the /hipster branch several months ago, and that's getting much more attention than the old -dev branch of OI. /hipster recently got packages for the MATE desktop environment, and that will likely be the default in the not too distant future. MATE has been very well received by the community. 3. Is there any way to install the OS without ZFS? I'm not certain. I guess I don't understand what would prompt one to do that. ZFS definitely has a learning curve, but it's years ahead of the nearest competitor. ZFS is one of the "killer features" that differentiates Illumos-derived (and Oracle Solaris) systems from other options. 4. Is ext4 is supported? Recommended for root, home? Not that I'm aware of. 5. Is it recommended to install the OS on old HW? I have this currently running Debian Linux: There is a hardware compatibility guide in the OI wiki. Check that out. Your old hardware won't have USB3 so the current lack of support for USB3 in all Illumos-derived systems, including OI, won't be a factor for you right now. Work has started by an Illumos developer to add USB3 support. 6. Is there any web interface for packages, so I can check if there's any package that I'll miss, and have to compile by myself. There's a web interface to the various OI repositories, including /hipster. https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Package+Repositories If you're just starting with OI, you should really start with the /hipster branch, so check out the hipster and hipster-encumbered repositories. 7. I also have a server, currently running FreeBSD. It hosts a git server, lighttpd based web server, NFS server, and acts as border GW doing NAT. Can I use oi for these? OI should be able to accomplish all of these tasks for you. Git & lighttpd should be very easy to get going. NFS has always been available, and OI supports through at least NFS version 4, though I'm not certain about 4.1 or 4.2. Having OI act as a border GW doing NAT also shouldn't be an issue, though the commands and the software used to do it on OI might be quite different than on FreeBSD. Tim -- Tim Mooney tim.moo...@ndsu.edu Enterprise Computing & Infrastructure 701-231-1076 (Voice) Room 242-J6, Quentin Burdick Building 701-231-8541 (Fax) North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND 58105-5164 ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
Hey Lev Welcome to the Community 1. Is the whole system is package based? Like Linux, unlike FreeBSD. Depends on what you mean package based. FreeBSD is AFAIK also package based as linux. They just have Ports as compiling source may not always be what you want. But yes we have a Package system called IPS 2. Is it recommended for desktop OS, or are you focusing on server installations? We strive to be General Purpose. We recently integrated MATE 1.14 so we have Desktops precompiled. 3. Is there any way to install the OS without ZFS? Yes. But not via installer and not recomended. Why no ZFS if I may ask? It's one of the main features of OI. 4. Is ext4 is supported? Recommended for root, home? No. Driver is GPL and thus due to licensing issues not ported. 5. Is it recommended to install the OS on old HW? I have this currently running Debian Linux: Depends how much RAM you have you shaould at least have 1.5Gb I use XFCE, and it runs good. I ask this because I run oi in Virtualbox, and it is very very slow. Virtualbox and other virtualisation tends to do that. Especially on older hardware and with limited RAM. I'd use this computer for software development, embedded software development, but also watching movies with mpv. What IDE/Editor are you using? Not all IDE's for embedded run on OI. CLion for exmaple does not. Be aware that when you are programming in Native languages(C, C++) that you may need a linux to compile the binary for the embedded device. 6. Is there any web interface for packages, so I can check if there's any package that I'll miss, and have to compile by myself. Yes. http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster or just type pkg search in commandline. The result is the same. 7. I also have a server, currently running FreeBSD. It hosts a git server, lighttpd based web server, NFS server, and acts as border GW doing NAT. Can I use oi for these? I don't know about lighttpd, we have nginx and apache. But the rest is do able. I can give you some instructions for NAT. Greetings Till ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] newbie questions
Ok, New (not even a) user here, please be gentle. So I'm considering installing oi as my primary OS. Before I do I have a few questions. 1. Is the whole system is package based? Like Linux, unlike FreeBSD. 2. Is it recommended for desktop OS, or are you focusing on server installations? 3. Is there any way to install the OS without ZFS? 4. Is ext4 is supported? Recommended for root, home? 5. Is it recommended to install the OS on old HW? I have this currently running Debian Linux: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ I use XFCE, and it runs good. I ask this because I run oi in Virtualbox, and it is very very slow. I'd use this computer for software development, embedded software development, but also watching movies with mpv. 6. Is there any web interface for packages, so I can check if there's any package that I'll miss, and have to compile by myself. 7. I also have a server, currently running FreeBSD. It hosts a git server, lighttpd based web server, NFS server, and acts as border GW doing NAT. Can I use oi for these? Thanks for your answers. And thanks for the great OS. Best regards, Lev -- 73 de HA5OGL Op.: Levente ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various software
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Andrew Myers wrote: > How difficult is packaging? Is OI looking for people to help? Is it perhaps > some way I could get involved? I have some experience with rpmbuild - is > there an Solaris equivalent? Yes, we are looking for people. Start with: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Building+with+illumos-userland There are child pages that describe the contribution and development process. The documentation is itself a work in progress, as is the build system. See also: http://strictlygeeking.blogspot.com/2012/03/new-development-and-contribution-model.html ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various software
I don't know how IPS actually works, but I can forward you to the Wikipedia page for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_Packaging_System The first external link about the Image Packaging System for OpenSolaris should be relevant to OpenIndiana as well. You can browse through that until someone on the list forwards you to OpenIndiana-specific instructions (if they exist - OI tends to forward to OpenSolaris documentation a lot). Jan On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Bryan Iotti wrote: > I would be interested in learning how to package correctly too. Would save > a lot of time and trouble if I didn't have to compile stuff like the R > statistical program. > > If I recall correctly, you need a particular setup (with SunStudio?) to > prepare packages for the IPS repo. > > Bryan > On Apr 8, 2012 2:46 AM, "Andrew Myers" wrote: > >> How difficult is packaging? Is OI looking for people to help? Is it >> perhaps some way I could get involved? I have some experience with >> rpmbuild - is there an Solaris equivalent? >> ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various software
I would be interested in learning how to package correctly too. Would save a lot of time and trouble if I didn't have to compile stuff like the R statistical program. If I recall correctly, you need a particular setup (with SunStudio?) to prepare packages for the IPS repo. Bryan On Apr 8, 2012 2:46 AM, "Andrew Myers" wrote: > How difficult is packaging? Is OI looking for people to help? Is it > perhaps some way I could get involved? I have some experience with > rpmbuild - is there an Solaris equivalent? > > > From: jso...@gmail.com > > Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 07:32:19 -0600 > > To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various > software > > > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Andrew Myers wrote: > > > I guess I'm a "newbie" although I've been using various Linux distro's > for about 10 years. > > > > I'm a "newbie" to OI just like you, but I can answer some (not all) of > > your questions. > > > > > > > Firstly, I wanted to have a later version of Firefox installed, and I > did this by downloading 11.0 from > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/contrib/solaris_pkgadd/. > Is that the best way to upgrade? Is 3.6.12 the most recent in the > "official" repo? > > > > Many of the packages (including the Firefox 3.6.12) are from when > > OpenSolaris was still available. When it was forked to OpenIndiana, > > the (limited) team of developers focused on packages that were > > important to have a usable system. Since you found a build of Firefox > > 11 for Solaris, that means that it's possible to build Firefox 11 for > > OI, and it hasn't been done because no one has done it (yet). > > > > > > > Similarly I wanted a jdk installed. I went to the Oracle download > site, but the download for x64 is only 9.25MB. This doesn't seem right to > me. How do you install JDK7 on OI? > > > > If I recall correctly, to install Java x64 on Solaris you must first > > install the 32-bit version. The former uses the same libraries > > (written in Java) and merely swaps out the virtual machine. Does 81MB > > + 9MB sound about right? > > > > > > > In the meantime I installed jdk 1.6 using the command pfexec pkg > install jdk. > > > > > > Next, I'd like to install Eclipse. pkg search eclipse isn't showing > me anything useful, and I can't find any solaris builds at eclipse.org. > Do they not exist, or am I looking in the wrong place? > > > > Don't know. Sorry. I would assume you googled "eclipse solaris", found > > this as the first hit, but it isn't what you want (?): > > > http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.7-201106131736/solPlatform.php > > > > > > > I come from a Red Hat / Fedora background and I'm very used to > installing most software using yum. Is pkg comparable to this? Or is the > OI way more to download software individually and install it by hand? > > > > It's analogous to what you'd have with Red Hat. You can have several > > repositories with various policies for including packages (the > > official one, the "Sun Freeware" one, the "I'm not afraid of software > > patents" one, and random ones you may find throughout the Internet). > > As with Red Hat, this is the "preferred" way to get software, as you > > can update it all with two simple commands: "pkg refresh" "pkg > > update". > > > > As with Red Hat, specific software you want may be missing from the > > repositories (or have the version of Firefox from when RHEL 5 was > > originally released). You may be able to find ".pkg" files (the > > equivalent of ".rpm") to install the software, registering it with the > > package manager. In some cases, the only alternative is the ".tar.gz" > > which may contain a prebuilt binary or even just the source code. > > > > > > Jan > > > > ___ > > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various software
How difficult is packaging? Is OI looking for people to help? Is it perhaps some way I could get involved? I have some experience with rpmbuild - is there an Solaris equivalent? > From: jso...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 07:32:19 -0600 > To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various > software > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Andrew Myers wrote: > > I guess I'm a "newbie" although I've been using various Linux distro's for > > about 10 years. > > I'm a "newbie" to OI just like you, but I can answer some (not all) of > your questions. > > > > Firstly, I wanted to have a later version of Firefox installed, and I did > > this by downloading 11.0 from > > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/contrib/solaris_pkgadd/. > > Is that the best way to upgrade? Is 3.6.12 the most recent in the > > "official" repo? > > Many of the packages (including the Firefox 3.6.12) are from when > OpenSolaris was still available. When it was forked to OpenIndiana, > the (limited) team of developers focused on packages that were > important to have a usable system. Since you found a build of Firefox > 11 for Solaris, that means that it's possible to build Firefox 11 for > OI, and it hasn't been done because no one has done it (yet). > > > > Similarly I wanted a jdk installed. I went to the Oracle download site, > > but the download for x64 is only 9.25MB. This doesn't seem right to me. > > How do you install JDK7 on OI? > > If I recall correctly, to install Java x64 on Solaris you must first > install the 32-bit version. The former uses the same libraries > (written in Java) and merely swaps out the virtual machine. Does 81MB > + 9MB sound about right? > > > > In the meantime I installed jdk 1.6 using the command pfexec pkg install > > jdk. > > > > Next, I'd like to install Eclipse. pkg search eclipse isn't showing me > > anything useful, and I can't find any solaris builds at eclipse.org. Do > > they not exist, or am I looking in the wrong place? > > Don't know. Sorry. I would assume you googled "eclipse solaris", found > this as the first hit, but it isn't what you want (?): > http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.7-201106131736/solPlatform.php > > > > I come from a Red Hat / Fedora background and I'm very used to installing > > most software using yum. Is pkg comparable to this? Or is the OI way more > > to download software individually and install it by hand? > > It's analogous to what you'd have with Red Hat. You can have several > repositories with various policies for including packages (the > official one, the "Sun Freeware" one, the "I'm not afraid of software > patents" one, and random ones you may find throughout the Internet). > As with Red Hat, this is the "preferred" way to get software, as you > can update it all with two simple commands: "pkg refresh" "pkg > update". > > As with Red Hat, specific software you want may be missing from the > repositories (or have the version of Firefox from when RHEL 5 was > originally released). You may be able to find ".pkg" files (the > equivalent of ".rpm") to install the software, registering it with the > package manager. In some cases, the only alternative is the ".tar.gz" > which may contain a prebuilt binary or even just the source code. > > > Jan > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various software
On 04/07/2012 06:08 AM, Andrew Myers wrote: downloading 11.0 fromftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/contrib/solaris_pkgadd/. Is that the best way to upgrade? Is 3.6.12 the most recent in the "official" repo? It appears for the time being yes and also from here : http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+desktop/development Myself I use firefox esr 10 on OI:-) ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various software
Thanks Jan. That's very helpful. I'll try this all out tomorrow. Best regards, Andrew > From: jso...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 07:32:19 -0600 > To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various > software > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Andrew Myers wrote: > > I guess I'm a "newbie" although I've been using various Linux distro's for > > about 10 years. > > I'm a "newbie" to OI just like you, but I can answer some (not all) of > your questions. > > > > Firstly, I wanted to have a later version of Firefox installed, and I did > > this by downloading 11.0 from > > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/contrib/solaris_pkgadd/. > > Is that the best way to upgrade? Is 3.6.12 the most recent in the > > "official" repo? > > Many of the packages (including the Firefox 3.6.12) are from when > OpenSolaris was still available. When it was forked to OpenIndiana, > the (limited) team of developers focused on packages that were > important to have a usable system. Since you found a build of Firefox > 11 for Solaris, that means that it's possible to build Firefox 11 for > OI, and it hasn't been done because no one has done it (yet). > > > > Similarly I wanted a jdk installed. I went to the Oracle download site, > > but the download for x64 is only 9.25MB. This doesn't seem right to me. > > How do you install JDK7 on OI? > > If I recall correctly, to install Java x64 on Solaris you must first > install the 32-bit version. The former uses the same libraries > (written in Java) and merely swaps out the virtual machine. Does 81MB > + 9MB sound about right? > > > > In the meantime I installed jdk 1.6 using the command pfexec pkg install > > jdk. > > > > Next, I'd like to install Eclipse. pkg search eclipse isn't showing me > > anything useful, and I can't find any solaris builds at eclipse.org. Do > > they not exist, or am I looking in the wrong place? > > Don't know. Sorry. I would assume you googled "eclipse solaris", found > this as the first hit, but it isn't what you want (?): > http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.7-201106131736/solPlatform.php > > > > I come from a Red Hat / Fedora background and I'm very used to installing > > most software using yum. Is pkg comparable to this? Or is the OI way more > > to download software individually and install it by hand? > > It's analogous to what you'd have with Red Hat. You can have several > repositories with various policies for including packages (the > official one, the "Sun Freeware" one, the "I'm not afraid of software > patents" one, and random ones you may find throughout the Internet). > As with Red Hat, this is the "preferred" way to get software, as you > can update it all with two simple commands: "pkg refresh" "pkg > update". > > As with Red Hat, specific software you want may be missing from the > repositories (or have the version of Firefox from when RHEL 5 was > originally released). You may be able to find ".pkg" files (the > equivalent of ".rpm") to install the software, registering it with the > package manager. In some cases, the only alternative is the ".tar.gz" > which may contain a prebuilt binary or even just the source code. > > > Jan > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various software
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Andrew Myers wrote: > I guess I'm a "newbie" although I've been using various Linux distro's for > about 10 years. I'm a "newbie" to OI just like you, but I can answer some (not all) of your questions. > Firstly, I wanted to have a later version of Firefox installed, and I did > this by downloading 11.0 from > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/contrib/solaris_pkgadd/. > Is that the best way to upgrade? Is 3.6.12 the most recent in the "official" > repo? Many of the packages (including the Firefox 3.6.12) are from when OpenSolaris was still available. When it was forked to OpenIndiana, the (limited) team of developers focused on packages that were important to have a usable system. Since you found a build of Firefox 11 for Solaris, that means that it's possible to build Firefox 11 for OI, and it hasn't been done because no one has done it (yet). > Similarly I wanted a jdk installed. I went to the Oracle download site, but > the download for x64 is only 9.25MB. This doesn't seem right to me. How do > you install JDK7 on OI? If I recall correctly, to install Java x64 on Solaris you must first install the 32-bit version. The former uses the same libraries (written in Java) and merely swaps out the virtual machine. Does 81MB + 9MB sound about right? > In the meantime I installed jdk 1.6 using the command pfexec pkg install jdk. > > Next, I'd like to install Eclipse. pkg search eclipse isn't showing me > anything useful, and I can't find any solaris builds at eclipse.org. Do they > not exist, or am I looking in the wrong place? Don't know. Sorry. I would assume you googled "eclipse solaris", found this as the first hit, but it isn't what you want (?): http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.7-201106131736/solPlatform.php > I come from a Red Hat / Fedora background and I'm very used to installing > most software using yum. Is pkg comparable to this? Or is the OI way more > to download software individually and install it by hand? It's analogous to what you'd have with Red Hat. You can have several repositories with various policies for including packages (the official one, the "Sun Freeware" one, the "I'm not afraid of software patents" one, and random ones you may find throughout the Internet). As with Red Hat, this is the "preferred" way to get software, as you can update it all with two simple commands: "pkg refresh" "pkg update". As with Red Hat, specific software you want may be missing from the repositories (or have the version of Firefox from when RHEL 5 was originally released). You may be able to find ".pkg" files (the equivalent of ".rpm") to install the software, registering it with the package manager. In some cases, the only alternative is the ".tar.gz" which may contain a prebuilt binary or even just the source code. Jan ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Newbie Questions - Installing various software
Hi All, I guess I'm a "newbie" although I've been using various Linux distro's for about 10 years. I recently installed OI 151a on my old laptop (Dell e6400) and now I have a few questions about installing software. Firstly, I wanted to have a later version of Firefox installed, and I did this by downloading 11.0 from ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/contrib/solaris_pkgadd/. Is that the best way to upgrade? Is 3.6.12 the most recent in the "official" repo? Similarly I wanted a jdk installed. I went to the Oracle download site, but the download for x64 is only 9.25MB. This doesn't seem right to me. How do you install JDK7 on OI? In the meantime I installed jdk 1.6 using the command pfexec pkg install jdk. Next, I'd like to install Eclipse. pkg search eclipse isn't showing me anything useful, and I can't find any solaris builds at eclipse.org. Do they not exist, or am I looking in the wrong place? I come from a Red Hat / Fedora background and I'm very used to installing most software using yum. Is pkg comparable to this? Or is the OI way more to download software individually and install it by hand? Many thanks in advance, Andrew. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
