Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
Carl Brewer writes: [...] > You can turn off X11 easily enough, be aware that, at least in my > experience, the text screen is painfully slow! With the new loader, you can set the color depth to 8 bit. The text console is perfectly usable that way. Best regards -- Volker -- Volker A. BrandtConsulting and Support for Solaris-based Systems Brandt & Brandt Computer GmbH WWW: http://www.bb-c.de/ Am Wiesenpfad 6, 53340 Meckenheim, GERMANYEmail: v...@bb-c.de Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 10513 Schuhgröße: 46 Geschäftsführer: Rainer J.H. Brandt und Volker A. Brandt Mastodon: @vab@bonn.socialThreema: ID available upon request ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On 11/05/2023 3:05 pm, Stephan Althaus wrote: On 5/10/23 22:42, Gary Mills wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 10:31:09AM -0500, Gary Mills wrote: Is anybody running OI on a computer that does not have a console? I have a system that I installed with the GUI image, and with an HDMI console and USB keyboard and mouse. Now I'd like to use this system without all of them. I have another question. Will it help to have OI boot without the X11 screen? How do I accomplish that? The text screen will be adequate for most of what I need to do. Hello! Don't know if it will help (i would not believe so). Disable the X11 login screen and you're done: # svcadm disable lightdm If you do this, the requirement for using an HDMI dummy plug goes away too Carl ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On 5/10/23 22:42, Gary Mills wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 10:31:09AM -0500, Gary Mills wrote: Is anybody running OI on a computer that does not have a console? I have a system that I installed with the GUI image, and with an HDMI console and USB keyboard and mouse. Now I'd like to use this system without all of them. I have another question. Will it help to have OI boot without the X11 screen? How do I accomplish that? The text screen will be adequate for most of what I need to do. Hello! Don't know if it will help (i would not believe so). Disable the X11 login screen and you're done: # svcadm disable lightdm Regards, Stephan ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On 11/05/2023 6:42 am, Gary Mills wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 10:31:09AM -0500, Gary Mills wrote: Is anybody running OI on a computer that does not have a console? I have a system that I installed with the GUI image, and with an HDMI console and USB keyboard and mouse. Now I'd like to use this system without all of them. I have another question. Will it help to have OI boot without the X11 screen? How do I accomplish that? The text screen will be adequate for most of what I need to do. You can turn off X11 easily enough, be aware that, at least in my experience, the text screen is painfully slow! Not an issue if all you do is ssh into the box. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 10:31:09AM -0500, Gary Mills wrote: > Is anybody running OI on a computer that does not have a console? > I have a system that I installed with the GUI image, and with an > HDMI console and USB keyboard and mouse. Now I'd like to use this > system without all of them. I have another question. Will it help to have OI boot without the X11 screen? How do I accomplish that? The text screen will be adequate for most of what I need to do. -- -Gary Mills--refurb--Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada- ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 02:55:56AM -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > Given motherboard serial ports (like on a desktop, but very few > laptops anymore), can OpenIndiana handle a serial console? What > about a serial console on a PCIe card, or worse, on a USB port? I have used serial consoles in the past. Working with serial cables is a frustrating experience, especially if you don't have a breakout box. Ethernet is much better: you just connect it, and it works. I have two systems, one with a Supermicro motherboard, and one with a Tyan motherboard. Both have an IC that looks like VGA video to the OS, but converts VGA text to a serial stream that goes to a dedicated ethernet port. They work nicely for me with OI and IPMI. -- -Gary Mills--refurb--Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada- ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 03:52:25PM +1000, Carl Brewer wrote: > > Quite annoying! Maybe someone on this list knows what sort of KVM switch > might provide enough for a HDMI card to behave at boot time? I don't know > the terminology, so search engines are not being kind! I'd really like to be > able to use one. I recently converted from a VGA/USB KVM to an HDMI/USB KVM switch. The new one works with Winows 10 and OI. My three OI systems already had HDMI ports. The Windows system had only VGA and DP ports. I had to obtain a DP to HDMI adapter for that one. You need some sort of digital video port for all systems. I use this KVM now: https://www.newegg.ca/p/1DJ-00Z4-00038?Item=9SIAKFBJRX0258 Beware that you need to boot OI systems twice before the keyboard and mouse will work. Alternatively, you can replace the second boot with just temporarly switching the KVM to a different system. -- -Gary Mills--refurb--Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada- ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
Richard L. Hamilton writes: [...] > Funny note there: at least with Sun/SPARC hardware, you need a null modem > cable to connect a terminal, but there's a gotcha: turning off the terminal > or disconnecting it will generate a hangup, which is equivalent to L1-A, i.e. > break out of the OS and return to the OpenBoot prompt. One can resume the OS, > but needs to leave the terminal connected and on. Even terminal concentrators > or devices providing remote serial port access could have that effect if > rebooted. s-with Sun/SPARC hardware-with very old Sun/SPARC hardware- s/it will generate/up to about 20 years ago, it used to generate/ :-) Cheers -- Volker -- Volker A. BrandtConsulting and Support for Solaris-based Systems Brandt & Brandt Computer GmbH WWW: http://www.bb-c.de/ Am Wiesenpfad 6, 53340 Meckenheim, GERMANYEmail: v...@bb-c.de Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 10513 Schuhgröße: 46 Geschäftsführer: Rainer J.H. Brandt und Volker A. Brandt Mastodon: @vab@bonn.socialThreema: ID available upon request ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
Given motherboard serial ports (like on a desktop, but very few laptops anymore), can OpenIndiana handle a serial console? What about a serial console on a PCIe card, or worse, on a USB port? Funny note there: at least with Sun/SPARC hardware, you need a null modem cable to connect a terminal, but there's a gotcha: turning off the terminal or disconnecting it will generate a hangup, which is equivalent to L1-A, i.e. break out of the OS and return to the OpenBoot prompt. One can resume the OS, but needs to leave the terminal connected and on. Even terminal concentrators or devices providing remote serial port access could have that effect if rebooted. Someone now passed long ago invented a null-modem plug (allowing a more common straight-thru cable to be used) that in the housing connecting the ends, also had some circuitry so that if that plug was screwed to the system (but not to the cable attaching the terminal), one could freely disconnect the terminal cable without interrupting the OS. Unfortunately, that was not a commercial product; he made them for his employer for in-house use only. I don't know if he documented the design, and doubt I could find it even if he did. One can work around it with KEYBOARD_ABORT=alternate in /etc/default/kbd file, which sets carriage-return tilde CTRL-b as the abort sequence. > On May 8, 2023, at 11:37, Stephan Althaus > wrote: > > On 5/8/23 17:31, Gary Mills wrote: >> Is anybody running OI on a computer that does not have a console? >> I have a system that I installed with the GUI image, and with an >> HDMI console and USB keyboard and mouse. Now I'd like to use this >> system without all of them. >> >> Can I just disconnect them? Will OI boot fully without a console? >> Can I attach a console later, if I happen to need it? >> >> > Hello! > > As I can tell from history, you should set the BIOS to ignore these errors on > boot like "no keyboard attached". Try this with only the monitor attached, no > keyboard/mouse.. > > I have a Backup server without keyboard/mouse/monitor attached that i power > up from remote via IPMI, > that boots into OI just perfextly. > > > Regards, > > Stephan > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On 9/05/2023 4:07 pm, Carl Brewer wrote: The old thread about this has the subject : "A KVM switch broke my server?! Lightdm is panic'ing the kernel" It should be in the archive somewhere. Here : https://www.mail-archive.com/openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org/msg25721.html Carl ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
The old thread about this has the subject : "A KVM switch broke my server?! Lightdm is panic'ing the kernel" It should be in the archive somewhere. Carl ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On 9/05/2023 11:38 am, Gary Mills wrote: On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 08:17:42AM +1000, Carl Brewer wrote: Three of them. Have been running OI since it was OS, oh, almost 20 years now? One of my three is about that old too. Rock solid. I found I had to use an HDMI "dummy" to get the newer ones to boot. I wondered if an HDMI console was somehow special. The system I'm using has only HDMI and Display Port connectors for a monitor. It has no VGA connector. I only found out after setting a new (2 years ago now) generic consumer PC motherboard up as a server, doing all the setup etc on a bench with an HDMI monitor, then popping it in a rack with a KVM switch and it would not boot. The KVM switch didn't provide enough info to the graphics port for it to start cleanly. It would just hang. I did write about it here on this list at the time, but the archive is AWOL and I can't find my notes. Quite annoying! Maybe someone on this list knows what sort of KVM switch might provide enough for a HDMI card to behave at boot time? I don't know the terminology, so search engines are not being kind! I'd really like to be able to use one. Carl ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On 5/9/23 03:32, Gary Mills wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 05:37:00PM +0200, Stephan Althaus wrote: As I can tell from history, you should set the BIOS to ignore these errors on boot like "no keyboard attached". Try this with only the monitor attached, no keyboard/mouse.. That's good to know. I have a duplicate system on order. I can use that to experiment on. I have a Backup server without keyboard/mouse/monitor attached that i power up from remote via IPMI, that boots into OI just perfextly. How do you use IPMI? I've only used it with systems that have video emulator hardware installed, with a dedicated ethernet port. Hello! Yes, it is a server with IPMI dedicated ethernet port, (capable of html5 console redirection) >10 years old now. Regards, Stephan ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 08:17:42AM +1000, Carl Brewer wrote: > > Three of them. Have been running OI since it was OS, oh, almost 20 years > now? One of my three is about that old too. Rock solid. > > I found I had to use an HDMI "dummy" to get the newer ones to boot. I wondered if an HDMI console was somehow special. The system I'm using has only HDMI and Display Port connectors for a monitor. It has no VGA connector. > One of these : > https://core-electronics.com.au/hdmi-dummy-plug.html > > Otherwise it would lock up OI at boot-time. YMMV. Thanks for the page. I'll make sure I get one or two of those plugs. I expect I'll need them. -- -Gary Mills--refurb--Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada- ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 05:37:00PM +0200, Stephan Althaus wrote: > > As I can tell from history, you should set the BIOS to ignore these errors > on boot like "no keyboard attached". Try this with only the monitor > attached, no keyboard/mouse.. That's good to know. I have a duplicate system on order. I can use that to experiment on. > I have a Backup server without keyboard/mouse/monitor attached that i power > up from remote via IPMI, > that boots into OI just perfextly. How do you use IPMI? I've only used it with systems that have video emulator hardware installed, with a dedicated ethernet port. -- -Gary Mills--refurb--Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada- ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On 9/05/2023 1:31 am, Gary Mills wrote: Is anybody running OI on a computer that does not have a console? I have a system that I installed with the GUI image, and with an HDMI console and USB keyboard and mouse. Now I'd like to use this system without all of them. Three of them. Have been running OI since it was OS, oh, almost 20 years now? One of my three is about that old too. Rock solid. I found I had to use an HDMI "dummy" to get the newer ones to boot. One of these : https://core-electronics.com.au/hdmi-dummy-plug.html Otherwise it would lock up OI at boot-time. YMMV. Can I just disconnect them? Will OI boot fully without a console? Yes, but ... Can I attach a console later, if I happen to need it? Maybe ... I've had mixed experiences. Carl ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI without a console?
On 5/8/23 17:31, Gary Mills wrote: Is anybody running OI on a computer that does not have a console? I have a system that I installed with the GUI image, and with an HDMI console and USB keyboard and mouse. Now I'd like to use this system without all of them. Can I just disconnect them? Will OI boot fully without a console? Can I attach a console later, if I happen to need it? Hello! As I can tell from history, you should set the BIOS to ignore these errors on boot like "no keyboard attached". Try this with only the monitor attached, no keyboard/mouse.. I have a Backup server without keyboard/mouse/monitor attached that i power up from remote via IPMI, that boots into OI just perfextly. Regards, Stephan ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
