Re: 8u40 is released / SB

2015-03-05 Thread Benjamin Gudehus
Hi Tom! As a programmer I use SB for prototyping. I think the problem is, that designers really need a visual UI and CSS editor. Upcoming web-standards like Web Components and frameworks like Google Polymer really shine, when it comes to connection between programmers and designers. --Benjamin

Re: 8u40 is released / SB

2015-03-05 Thread Tom Eugelink
My two cents would be that maintaining a UI builder is an awful lot of work, while I expect that a lot of programmers won't be using SB because it always has limitations. Either with complex layouts or custom controls. Real programmers probably use FXML directly or even just code it in Java.

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-05 Thread Benjamin Gudehus
Looks like Gluon is the Trolltech equivalent I just wished for - that was fast :-) I had a similar thought. Honestly this reminds me a bit more to JGoodies and the tools around it, but with a lot more. Looks good. Hope that Gluon takes the mobile ports for JavaFX and SceneBuilder to the next

Re: 8u40 is released / SB

2015-03-05 Thread Tobias Bley
But what about Xcode GUI design? Android Studio GUI designer? QT Designer? … Am 05.03.2015 um 09:19 schrieb Tom Eugelink t...@tbee.org: My two cents would be that maintaining a UI builder is an awful lot of work, while I expect that a lot of programmers won't be using SB because it always

Re: 8u40 is released / SB

2015-03-05 Thread Tomas Mikula
And then there are GroovyFX and ScalaFX, which embed the declarative UI language in the host language. To me, FXML seems to be just compensation for the lack of expressiveness in Java. Tomas On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Doug Schaefer dschae...@qnx.com wrote: GUI builders are great for

Re: 8u40 is released / SB

2015-03-05 Thread Doug Schaefer
GUI builders are great for prototyping or helping you learn. But when the application gets complex I keep hearing developers throw them out. They start getting in the way. I think if you have a good API and a good declarative UI language, think QML not FXML, then you may find you don¹t really

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Mike Hearn
Hi Kevin, Scene Builder source code is available in the OpenJFX repo under the BSD license, but separate binaries are no longer being released as of 8u40. I'm a bit confused what this means. People who want to use Scene Builder are expected to compile it themselves from now on? Does

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Anton V. Tarasov
Hi Emmanuel, jfx8u40/WebView (libjfxwebkit.so) doesn't link with icu lib, however it has that option and so it contains all the related headers which it nevertheless uses during the build process. UChar32 was defined as unsigned in older icu versions and it is still that in the

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Mike Hearn
binaries are no longer being released as of 8u40. I'm a bit confused what this means. People who want to use Scene Builder are expected to compile it themselves from now on? Does that really make sense? Presumably the idea here is that SB will be integrated into IDEs and will no longer have

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Tobias Bley
, Scene Builder source code is available in the OpenJFX repo under the BSD license, but separate binaries are no longer being released as of 8u40. I'm a bit confused what this means. People who want to use Scene Builder are expected to compile it themselves from now on? Does

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Mike Hearn
Hey Jonathan, If you let us know who does make these decisions, we will happily repeat our questions to them :) Mark Reinhold perhaps? I mean, I appreciate that GUI libraries are probably not a prime driver of sales for Oracle, but as an enterprise focused company I assume management understands

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Mike Hearn
2349 Unresolved Bugs seems buggy to me: https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Bug%20AND%20resolution%20%3D%20Unresolved Any software project always has lots of unresolved issues in the issue tracker, though, especially something as large as a UI toolkit. Qt has about

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Tomas Mikula
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Mike Hearn m...@plan99.net wrote: WRT 8u60+9, I read that 8u60 is going to be a bug fix only release with no new features at all. I don't know how to read that, as JavaFX does not seem especially buggy to me, 2349 Unresolved Bugs seems buggy to me:

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Mike Hearn
This is what we did at Gluon (http://gluonhq.com), and the result can be downloaded at http://gluonhq.com/products/downloads/ Thanks Johan! Looks like Gluon is the Trolltech equivalent I just wished for - that was fast :-) From your blog post, it sounds like you're planning to fork SB or at

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Tomas Mikula
is available in the OpenJFX repo under the BSD license, but separate binaries are no longer being released as of 8u40. I'm a bit confused what this means. People who want to use Scene Builder are expected to compile it themselves from now on? Does that really make sense? Presumably the idea

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Kevin Rushforth
Scene Builder source code is available in the OpenJFX repo under the BSD license, but separate binaries are no longer being released as of 8u40. See: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/sb2download-216.html -- Kevin ngalarn...@abinitio.com wrote: Hurray! Thank you

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread Kevin Rushforth
Anton Tarasov or Andrew Brygin might be able to provide an answer for you, although our effort recently has been focused on getting the updated C++11-based WebKit to build. -- Kevin Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Hi Kevin, I'm updating the OpenJFX package in Debian to the version 8u40-b25 and I get

Re: 8u40 is released

2015-03-04 Thread ngalarneau
...@oracle.com To: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net, Date: 03/03/2015 05:14 PM Subject:8u40 is released Sent by:openjfx-dev openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net For those who haven't seen yet, the JDK 8u40 release is now live and ready for download

8u40 is released

2015-03-03 Thread Kevin Rushforth
For those who haven't seen yet, the JDK 8u40 release is now live and ready for download. -- Kevin