Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-07-03 Thread Kevin Rushforth
This is unplanned for JDK 9. We will consider doing it for JDK 10. -- Kevin Florian Brunner wrote: Hi Kevin, Thanks for the update. Back in 2012 there was the following statement from Oracle: "Oracle intends to standardize relevant parts of JavaFX through the JCP in the Java SE 9 time fram

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-07-01 Thread Florian Brunner
Hi Kevin, Thanks for the update. Back in 2012 there was the following statement from Oracle: "Oracle intends to standardize relevant parts of JavaFX through the JCP in the Java SE 9 time frame." http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/1854982 What about this plan? -Florian Am Samstag, 27.

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Kevin Rushforth
Hard to say whether a public equivalent of NGExternalNode would be feasible in the JDK 9 time frame. It depends on how much work would be to expose what you would need in a way that would be robust. It isn't something we plan for JDK 9, but I haven't given it enough thought to know what would b

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Michael Hoffer
Hi all, I agree that we need WebGL support in JavaFX. Recently, I made some experiments with integrating the Qt based WebView/WebEngine into JavaFX via synchronized shared memory buffers (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlIrY1SlNM4 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQXG77O2MqQ). what can i

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Scott Palmer
> On Jun 30, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Mike Hearn wrote: > > ... > With respect to things like "support WebRTC" or "support WebGL" - > seriously? WebRTC is useful for exactly one kind of app, video chat. It > seems to have been driven primarily so Google could make a Skype competitor > inside Gmail with

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Felix Bembrick
Mike, I believe it is essential that the JavaFX WebView supports WebGL as this is where a lot of the OpenGL work is being done now. At the moment, JavaFX WebView is limited to Lite Mode of Google Maps for example so it is not really compatible with an external browser. Other than that, there has

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Jack Moxley
I suppose i should stop shouting from the sidelines, roll up my sleeves and get my hands dirty, what can i do as a lowly developer to help? Sent from my iPhone > On 30 Jun 2015, at 12:16, Felix Bembrick wrote: > > Well, we are all at the whim of Oracle executives decisions with the added > he

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Mike Hearn
Be fair, chaps. WebGL is not exactly accessible. Desktop Linux is an extremely niche platform. JFX is open source. If someone wants accessibility support on Linux, they can certainly contribute patches to implement it. The JDK9 plan looks OK to me. It doesn't sound exciting but "support Jigsaw" a

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Jack Moxley
That should of read 'set its aspirations higher' Sent from my iPhone > On 30 Jun 2015, at 12:13, Jack Moxley wrote: > > Maybe it should its aspirations a little higher, especially with the advent > of unity, webgl or even scenegraph impls such as jmonkeyengine that do. > > Sent from my iPhone

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Felix Bembrick
Well, we are all at the whim of Oracle executives decisions with the added help of third parties such as Gluon and RoboVM. The future of JavaFX really is in *our* hands. > On 30 Jun 2015, at 21:13, Jack Moxley wrote: > > Maybe it should its aspirations a little higher, especially with the ad

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Jack Moxley
Maybe it should its aspirations a little higher, especially with the advent of unity, webgl or even scenegraph impls such as jmonkeyengine that do. Sent from my iPhone > On 30 Jun 2015, at 09:42, Felix Bembrick wrote: > > JavaFX has *never* claimed to be write once, run anyway > > >> On 30 J

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Felix Bembrick
JavaFX has *never* claimed to be write once, run anyway > On 30 Jun 2015, at 18:13, Mike wrote: > > write once, run anywhere > > This about sums it up! > > > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Jack Moxley wrote: >> >> write once, run anywhere >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On 29 Ju

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Mike
write once, run anywhere This about sums it up! On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Jack Moxley wrote: > write once, run anywhere > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 29 Jun 2015, at 21:45, Michał Zegan > wrote: > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Does it mean platfor

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Felix Bembrick
To be fair Jack, WORA is/was used in reference to the Java language itself; not JavaFX. Felix On 30 June 2015 at 17:12, Jack Moxley wrote: > write once, run anywhere > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 29 Jun 2015, at 21:45, Michał Zegan > wrote: > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Has

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-30 Thread Jack Moxley
write once, run anywhere Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Jun 2015, at 21:45, Michał Zegan wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Does it mean platform support for linux won't be implemented now, or > at all? > I usually use windows, but still depend on that support because

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-29 Thread Michał Zegan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does it mean platform support for linux won't be implemented now, or at all? I usually use windows, but still depend on that support because I sometimes use linux, so I am interested about that. W dniu 2015-06-29 o 22:40, Kevin Rushforth pisze: > Ther

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-29 Thread Kevin Rushforth
There is public API in 8u40 to support accessibility. Applications using standard JavaFX controls can, for example, use the accessibleText property to define the text that the screen reader will speak or the accessibleHelp property to provide a more detailed description. These properties have r

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-29 Thread Michał Zegan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I saw it, and it seems promising, but: first, there is probably, or I heard it wrong? no public api for making accessibility related stuff... Also, I believe there is no linux accessibility bridge as opposed to windows and mac. And I do not know if I a

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-29 Thread Kevin Rushforth
JavaFX accessibility is already implemented and was delivered in JDK 8u40. -- Kevin Michał Zegan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What about accessibility work? Work on it has been started, but not sure if it is still targetted for 9. W dniu 2015-06-27 o 20:16, Mike pisze

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-28 Thread Tom Eugelink
I have no direct knowledge of anything Oracle, but based on recent press releases Oracle has put "the cloud" up front and center. So I'm betting a lot of resources will go into that, and a lot of projects not in line with that goal will be reduced to maintenance mode. Personally I see the reduc

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-27 Thread Mike
I thought you knew. Your spending a lot of time researching information about your upcoming blog post so I thought that was part of your common knowledge. On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > Why are you asking me? > > On 28 June 2015 at 05:24, Mike wrote: > >> Felix how ma

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-27 Thread Felix Bembrick
Why are you asking me? On 28 June 2015 at 05:24, Mike wrote: > Felix how many full time Engineers does Oracle have on Javafx and Java? > How does this break up? How many open source contributors are Committing > often? > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Felix Bembrick > wrote: > >> Thanks Ke

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-27 Thread Mike
Felix how many full time Engineers does Oracle have on Javafx and Java? How does this break up? How many open source contributors are Committing often? On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > Thanks Kevin but I am left a little underwhelmed by this tiny list. It > seems that Ja

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-27 Thread Felix Bembrick
Thanks Kevin but I am left a little underwhelmed by this tiny list. It seems that JavaFX is perhaps the slowest evolving technology in history in many respects which is very disappointing. > On 28 Jun 2015, at 01:07, Kevin Rushforth wrote: > > Hi Felix, > > Sorry for the delay. Most of us we

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-27 Thread Felix Bembrick
I have to say that I agree with Mike that WebGL support is an absolute must especially when you consider how rudimentary the current JavaFX 3D features are. > On 28 Jun 2015, at 04:16, Mike wrote: > > a lot of FULL blown Webrtc support and building something in Javafx (like > Scene Builder) th

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-27 Thread Michał Zegan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What about accessibility work? Work on it has been started, but not sure if it is still targetted for 9. W dniu 2015-06-27 o 20:16, Mike pisze: > a lot of FULL blown Webrtc support and building something in Javafx > (like Scene Builder) that Proves We

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-27 Thread Mike
a lot of FULL blown Webrtc support and building something in Javafx (like Scene Builder) that Proves Webrtc support would be awesome. Ditto to Webgl support. On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Kevin Rushforth wrote: > Hi Felix, > > Sorry for the delay. Most of us were still pretty focused on 8u60,

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-27 Thread Kevin Rushforth
Hi Felix, Sorry for the delay. Most of us were still pretty focused on 8u60, but we are turning our attention to JDK 9 now. The focus for JDK 9 is Jigsaw. The currently planned big features (JEPs) for FX in JDK 9 are these: JEP 253: Prepare JavaFX UI Controls & CSS APIs for Modularization J

Re: JavaFX features in JDK 9

2015-06-26 Thread Felix Bembrick
Anyone got anything or is there a link somewhere that talks about these? On 15 June 2015 at 22:00, Felix Bembrick wrote: > I realise we are a long way off JDK 9 still and with crucial features such > as Jigsaw still a little up in the air but is it possible someone could > itemise the most likel