Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

I am not trying to create an OpenJFX repository that is maintained to any degree But, in my work on the Robot API I also went ahead and created the necessary infrastructure to get OpenJFX building on Appveyor (Windows continuous integration) and Travis CI (both Linux and macOS continuious

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

Hi, first of all I would like to say that I fully agree with everything that has been said so far in this thread and I am glad that someone is pushing this long overdue discussion. Please find my comments inline. Am 15.12.17 um 10:09 schrieb John-Val Rose: [...] This initiative/team/group

RE: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

10:38 To: John-Val Rose <johnvalr...@gmail.com> Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net Mailing <openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net> Subject: Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes) Dear all, Chris mail motivated me to answer too. *** For *your* situation, what is JavaFX, how do you want

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

Dear all, Chris mail motivated me to answer too. *** For *your* situation, what is JavaFX, how do you want it to evolve and what does it mean to you? *** I am developping for 10 years scientific desktop apps with Java Swing (+ Java Web Start). As our users are mostly using linux & macOS, we

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

Thanks for that extensive and very insightful response Chris. Let me make something very clear, just in case people have the wrong idea: I am not here to complain, stir-up trouble or to criticise anyone. In fact, I greatly admire the JavaFX team at Oracle and what they are managing to achieve

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

Hi John, Here's my $0.02 on JavaFX as someone who's used it for over 4 years in the JITWatch project (https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/jitwatch) and also for fun with my DemoFX benchmarks (https://github.com/chriswhocodes/DemoFX). On the whole I think the API is very good. Event handling, layout,

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

I posted this over a week ago: > I am willing to work with *anyone* (within Oracle or not) on the features that the community craves, > such as those I listed (and any others). Not just because “many hands make light work” but because > I don’t know everything (or even close) and I need the

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

2017-12-06 9:40 GMT+01:00 John-Val Rose : > Yes, I obviously need to know if anything I work on or design is going to > be accepted or is even wanted by the community as a whole, and as early on > in the process as possible. Heck, if I had my way, JavaFX would be used to >

RE: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

: Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes) Yes, I obviously need to know if anything I work on or design is going to be accepted or is even wanted by the community as a whole, and as early on in the process as possible. Heck, if I had my way, JavaFX would be used to build everything from

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

dev-requ...@openjdk.java.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > openjfx-dev-ow...@openjdk.java.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of openjfx-dev digest..." > > > Today's Topic

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

d is > small enough to be accepted without. Somebody has to decide before filing > the JEP. > > -Markus > > > > From: Mario Torre [mailto:neugens.limasoftw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2017 09:11 > To: Markus KARG > Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net &

RE: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

-dev@openjdk.java.net Subject: Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes) I think Phil said that, the way to propose such changes is to file a Jep and discuss it here. Cheers, Mario On Wed 6. Dec 2017 at 09:07, Markus KARG <mar...@headcrashing.eu> wrote: I think what John ac

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

; -Markus > > -Original Message- > From: openjfx-dev [mailto:openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] On Behalf > Of Philip Race > Sent: Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2017 06:50 > To: John-Val Rose > Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net > Subject: Re: Innovation again (was Re: Tex

RE: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

Subject: Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes) There needs to be a viable community that is not just Oracle to support you here .. I think everyone has come to be dependent on Oracle to "be there". But if there is a specific community need that Oracle doesn't see as essential, then the

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

Absolutely - there needs to be a viable community that is not just Oracle. So, is there one? If not, how do we build one? OK, so let me rephrase my earlier email: I am willing to work with *anyone* (within Oracle or not) on the features that the community craves, such as those I listed (and

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

There needs to be a viable community that is not just Oracle to support you here .. I think everyone has come to be dependent on Oracle to "be there". But if there is a specific community need that Oracle doesn't see as essential, then the community should help out. -phil. On 12/5/17, 9:27

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

Well, that’s all fine but you didn’t address the issue of working with someone within Oracle to get these innovations done. Sure, I could just toil away by myself but clearly it would be better all around if there was someone with much more extensive knowledge of JavaFX and its internals who

Re: Innovation again (was Re: Text classes)

I think looking at it as an Oracle-owned and controlled project maybe the first mistake here. Yes it was closed source and then Oracle controlled, but not any more, OCA requirements aside. It is not even a "java specification". It can be evolved at an API level without a JSR. The JEP process is