Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-19 Thread Felix Bembrick
I agree with you on the point that desktops are here to stay, but my point was that if JavaFX is only ever going to viable on such desktops then it is not cross platform because by far the biggest focus for commercial software development companies currently is "post PC" devices like mobiles, ta

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-19 Thread Tobi
The question is: How does perform JavaFX in comparison to e.g. Xamarian? > Am 19.04.2016 um 13:14 schrieb Scott Palmer : > > >> On Apr 19, 2016, at 4:18 AM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > >> >> Let's face it, without highly optimised AOT, Java and/or JavaFX on mobiles >> is simply not viable which

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-19 Thread Scott Palmer
> On Apr 19, 2016, at 4:18 AM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > > Let's face it, without highly optimised AOT, Java and/or JavaFX on mobiles is > simply not viable which in turn implies that JavaFX itself is not even worth > looking at... RIP. Let's not go crazy. JavaFX is still the best bet for desk

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-19 Thread Felix Bembrick
Well I did ask Johan what AOT they are going to use instead of RoboVM but there has not be a response yet. Let's face it, without highly optimised AOT, Java and/or JavaFX on mobiles is simply not viable which in turn implies that JavaFX itself is not even worth looking at... RIP. But I take Jo

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-19 Thread Tobi
Hi, in my opinion the abandonment of RoboVM is a very big step back for Java on Mobile because there is NO real alternative to RoboVM. So it has definitely a big impact on Gluon and JavaFX on Mobile. Gluon uses RoboVM 1.8 - and old version of RoboVM which will be not developed anymore. So no se

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-18 Thread Sven Reimers
Seems there are more forks out there.. https://github.com/bugvm/bugvm Sven On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > Good luck to you Erik. I totally agree with you and hope you succeed. If > there's any way I can help, I will do just that. > > Felix > > > On 19 Apr 2016, at 04:

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-18 Thread Felix Bembrick
Good luck to you Erik. I totally agree with you and hope you succeed. If there's any way I can help, I will do just that. Felix > On 19 Apr 2016, at 04:39, Erik De Rijcke wrote: > > I'm currently looking if I can get some robovm fork kickstarted. ( > https://github.com/FlexoVM/flexovm/issues/4

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-18 Thread Erik De Rijcke
I'm currently looking if I can get some robovm fork kickstarted. ( https://github.com/FlexoVM/flexovm/issues/4 ). It's really a shame that for this one time Java has a real nice aot llvm compiler, MS kills it. Being able to compile Java (or any bytecode language) to a native, fast and small execut

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-18 Thread Felix Bembrick
I wonder what the performance of alternatives to RoboVM is like... > On 19 Apr 2016, at 03:09, Steve Hannah wrote: > > https://twitter.com/GluonHQ/status/721784242565357568 > > The Gluon blog post from a few months ago (when @robovm was acquired by >> @xamarin) is still almost entirely relevant

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-18 Thread Felix Bembrick
So what AOT will you be using now? The last RoboVM AOT or something else? > On 19 Apr 2016, at 03:15, Johan Vos wrote: > > Indeed, this doesn't have any impact on JavaFX. > The Gluon tools are currently using the RoboVM AOT 1.8, which was the last > open-source version. > > RoboVM delivered a

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-18 Thread Johan Vos
Indeed, this doesn't have any impact on JavaFX. The Gluon tools are currently using the RoboVM AOT 1.8, which was the last open-source version. RoboVM delivered a whole set of products, including an AOT, but also a system that provides some JNI functionality, a set of bindings that create Java cla

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-18 Thread Steve Hannah
https://twitter.com/GluonHQ/status/721784242565357568 The Gluon blog post from a few months ago (when @robovm was acquired by > @xamarin) is still almost entirely relevant > http://gluonhq.com/gluon-supports-multiple-jvms/ On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > So what do th

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-18 Thread Felix Bembrick
So what do they use instead? > On 19 Apr 2016, at 02:52, Steve Hannah wrote: > > According to Gluon, they're not impacted by this. > https://twitter.com/GluonHQ/status/721784161728471041 > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Felix Bembrick > wrote: > >> I just read this article which sta

Re: What does this mean for the future of JavaFX on iOS?

2016-04-18 Thread Steve Hannah
According to Gluon, they're not impacted by this. https://twitter.com/GluonHQ/status/721784161728471041 On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > I just read this article which states that RoboVM is effectively "shutting > down". > > https://www.voxxed.com/blog/2016/04/robovm/ >