[Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

2009-05-31 Thread Stefan Andersson
I do believe we're all feeling the advent of 0.7 - a milestone in any open source project. Here's a crazy idea for you; how about we agree to freeze feature set and major architecture as of now, and concentrate on only: * Finalizing the backend restructuring * Clear mantis (hell,

Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

2009-05-31 Thread Nebadon Izumi
Have you even looked at mantis??? there are 728 open tickets, chances are if we clear mantis, we will have OpenSimulator 1.0.. I personally don't see this as feasible, this is to me looks like us trying to control what all the developers are doing, and I have to -1 this idea as it would probably

Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

2009-05-31 Thread Nebadon Izumi
I can agree with that, if everyone else agrees i have no problem with it, I would just hate for anyone to think that we are locking things up and they wont have our support. And mostly i was more concerned with trying to clear mantis, that seams a bit unrealistic, as a good portion of fixing the

Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

2009-05-31 Thread Stefan Andersson
Again, this would be entirely by agreement - anybody not wishing to do bug fixing can do whatever they like, but I do think even core devs get a kick out of bugfixing now and then, and adding stuff like those pesky last lsl commands. Regarding the mantis, there are several things that can

Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

2009-05-31 Thread James Stallings II
I think its a great tone Stefan :D I think that even failing to accomplish the goals of such an effort would produce much benefit for the project. Sign me up :) *sharpens mantis pencils* On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Stefan Andersson ste...@tribalmedia.sewrote: Again, this would be

Re: [Opensim-dev] HUGE ASSET CACHE

2009-05-31 Thread Michael Cortez
Dan wrote: Is it possible to configure a huge disk asset-cache for region servers? A disk cache is currently being tested. No guarantees, warranties, express or implied but the test patch is available at http://code.google.com/p/flotsam/downloads/list This is just something I threw together

Re: [Opensim-dev] HUGE ASSET CACHE

2009-05-31 Thread Stefan Andersson
On a side note, one thing to profile would be to work towards having large binaries transferred as streams instead of bringing them into memory and transforming them into various temporary forms. Best regards, Stefan Andersson Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:12:30 -0700 From:

Re: [Opensim-dev] HUGE ASSET CACHE

2009-05-31 Thread Mike Dickson
Given the recent changes for modularity has there been any thought to being able to configure a seperate shared cache across multiple regions. Something like the Jakarta JCS stuff (http://jakarta.apache.org/jcs/) comes to mind. I'm not suggesting that specific implementation but simply that if

Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

2009-05-31 Thread Daniel Smith
I will toss in a crazy idea from the side :) Have every other point release alternate its focus between features vs stability... .7 - more stability, .8 - more features, .9 - more stability etc. Something akin to the Linux development model Daniel

Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

2009-05-31 Thread Thomas Grimshaw
Hey, Personally I would say that the way to approach clearing the mantis would be... not clearing the mantis :P Rather, get someone to go through each ticket and jot down a summary of each; then you'll end up with a list of stuff that needs fixing (or changing, or adding). The core devs can

[Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Fly Man
Goodmorning everyone, As a result of argument between Nebadon, Jamenai and myself about OpenWiredux I decided to step down as a developer on that project. Also the other projects that I maintain have seized development. Please remove the following projects from the Gforge asap as they'll be

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Mike Dickson
I'm only using the WiRedux stuff of the modules you listed personally. But I don't think the BSD license works the way you think it does. Attribution is certainly required by the license and no reason you couldn't do a closed source version based on it. But what you put out under a BSD license is

Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

2009-05-31 Thread Nebadon Izumi
I stand corrected, I went back and you are correct, i only had closed filtered out and not the resolved issues, hence the inflated count. sorry about that. I think all of these ideas are great, sorry to be the stickler in the mud, but I'd rather everyone beat up on me now while were discussing it

Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

2009-05-31 Thread Charles Krinke
Just to pick on the Longest Open for a little bit, here they are. The last column is the number of days the Mantis has been open. It seems to me that a Mantis open over a year is a good candidate for a feature request, perhaps a 'wont fix' or even a 'we did fix and forgot to close'. So, to

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Kyle Hamilton
Once you release something under the BSD license, anyone can do anything with it, as long as the license is followed (i.e., the copyright clause is followed). It cannot be retroactively removed. Further, anything on the Forge, in the subversion, is openly available. You can continue your

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Thomas Grimshaw
Fly Man, It simply doesn't work like that. You didn't make any mention of a creative commons license at the time of posting. The projects have been clearly tagged as BSD, i'm afraid there's no way for you to revoke that. Tom. Fly Man wrote: Thomas, everything I posted on the Gforge is under

Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

2009-05-31 Thread Kyle Hamilton
Could you perhaps sort those by the assigned priority? 721 is priority 'low', for example. -Kyle H On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Charles Krinke c...@pacbell.net wrote: Just to pick on the Longest Open for a little bit, here they are. The last column is the number of days the Mantis has

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Charles Krinke
I'm going to try to be as diplomatic as possible here. All of us may contribute to various forge projects as we and our peers may determine from time to time. I am truly sorry you are upset, Fly-Man, but that does not change anything. We move forward with or without any one individual and that

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Fly Man
Well, there is a way to revoke that and that has just been done. The projects are closed. In the meanwhile, development has seized on those projects (which I personally think is just wrong because this can be solved by 2 people) I clearly stated to people that I wasn't happy about the way some

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Ideia Boa
Fly-Man I do not know who is right in your disagreement, but I think if you had something you were thinking that was not being done in the most correct, I think the only way would have launched the discussion on mail-list #opensim-dev and not just you away from everything and remove the work

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Fly Man
Ideia, this problem can easily be resolved by 2 people that just say sorry and revert back the things that they added to the OpenSimWiredux so I can take a clean copy of the code without the whole mess that it is now. So, in other words as some won't know what I said on #opensim-dev: Jamenai:

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Kyle Hamilton
How about you check out the subversion tree at the last revision without the whole mess that it is now? That's what revision control systems are for, so you can check out old revisions. You can control your own experience -- while everyone else can cooperate as they want to. You should do this

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Fly Man
Kyle, please read back what I posted earlier before you start to throw with words that I won't respond to: * There's 2 people that just need to apoligize and then we can all get back to what we're good in. Unless those people step up and take responsibilty about their actions, then it means that

[Opensim-dev] Difference between functionality in new OGS Radmin module and existing RAdmin?

2009-05-31 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Adam, what's the difference between these two modules? On casual inspection, the gridwide notification in OGSRadmin looks pretty similar to the existing RemoteAdminPlugin.XmlRpcAlertMethod() -- justincc Justin Clark-Casey http://justincc.wordpress.com

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Robert Dzikowski
Kyle Hamilton wrote: How about you check out the subversion tree at the last revision without the whole mess that it is now? That's what revision control systems are for, so you can check out old revisions. You can control your own experience -- while everyone else can cooperate as they want

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Charles Krinke
Dear Fly-Man: I would like to suggest we step back from a point of honor and try to figure out how to work together. There are times in this project when passions rise high and this is one of those times. I would really like to find a way to move forward without pushing anyone into a

[Opensim-dev] Mac OS X OpenSim installer

2009-05-31 Thread Jeff Ames
Hello, I've started an OS X installer in http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/osinstaller/, alongside the existing Windows one. It currently installs a binary version of 0.6.5-post-fixes (r9713), built with Mono 2.4. But it could still use a lot of work (dependency installation, creating

Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

2009-05-31 Thread Frisby, Adam
Fly-Man-, When you bring out the big guns, and you aren't on solid ground - people tend to look down at you - when you start a conversation out in confrontation, then confrontation you will get. Regarding, 'revoking' the license, you simply cannot do that legally (go check with a lawyer) -

Re: [Opensim-dev] Mac OS X OpenSim installer

2009-05-31 Thread Frisby, Adam
+1 Adam -Original Message- From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev- boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Jeff Ames Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 8:30 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: [Opensim-dev] Mac OS X OpenSim installer Hello, I've started