Re: [Opensim-dev] Having struggled with the privs inherited from SL I wish to object.
Uhmm, or you type it wrong or you think wrong. default stuff must have no perms. so the owner decide what transfer or copy perms need to be set. if it need to be set. Set everything default to full perms is a killer and very wrong. On 2014-03-25 15:23, Jim Williams wrote: I don't really care much what controls are allowed the creator, but I care a whole lot about the defaults. My speech is not free if I have to tell you it is free. I think that any privs set to default to restricting copying are both evil and wrong -- especially those involved in scripting, since that is what I wish to spend my time on in the Metaverse. All privs need to be adjusted such that the people wanting to restrict access to their stuff are the ones who have to do something. Thank you, Dharma Galaxy@metropolis Dharma Glaxy @osg -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Having struggled with the privs inherited from SL I wish to object.
No...Clearly default ought to be no restrictions. This is a simple matter of freedom of speech. If I have to tell you you are free to repeat my speech then I am not free. My speech is restricted. If someone wants to charge for receiving their speech it is fine with me, as long as I am not encumbered by their desires. You may invent whatever controls you want for people to use to limit the reach of their speech, as long as I have to do nothing to ignore them. All I want is the default of freedom to speak rather than the assumed default that I don't want to speak. Also, kill what?? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:48 PM, R.Gunther ri...@rigutech.nl wrote: Uhmm, or you type it wrong or you think wrong. default stuff must have no perms. so the owner decide what transfer or copy perms need to be set. if it need to be set. Set everything default to full perms is a killer and very wrong. On 2014-03-25 15:23, Jim Williams wrote: I don't really care much what controls are allowed the creator, but I care a whole lot about the defaults. My speech is not free if I have to tell you it is free. I think that any privs set to default to restricting copying are both evil and wrong -- especially those involved in scripting, since that is what I wish to spend my time on in the Metaverse. All privs need to be adjusted such that the people wanting to restrict access to their stuff are the ones who have to do something. Thank you, Dharma Galaxy@metropolis Dharma Glaxy @osg -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing listOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.dehttps://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Having struggled with the privs inherited from SL I wish to object.
You're free to change your permissions as you would like them to be. Nobody is restricting your freedom. If the defaults were changed for everyone just to suit your convenience, then others would be inconvenienced. If the permission system doesn't suit your needs, you're also free to use other software that you find better suits your needs. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Jim Williams sphere1...@gmail.com wrote: No...Clearly default ought to be no restrictions. This is a simple matter of freedom of speech. If I have to tell you you are free to repeat my speech then I am not free. My speech is restricted. If someone wants to charge for receiving their speech it is fine with me, as long as I am not encumbered by their desires. You may invent whatever controls you want for people to use to limit the reach of their speech, as long as I have to do nothing to ignore them. All I want is the default of freedom to speak rather than the assumed default that I don't want to speak. Also, kill what?? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:48 PM, R.Gunther ri...@rigutech.nl wrote: Uhmm, or you type it wrong or you think wrong. default stuff must have no perms. so the owner decide what transfer or copy perms need to be set. if it need to be set. Set everything default to full perms is a killer and very wrong. On 2014-03-25 15:23, Jim Williams wrote: I don't really care much what controls are allowed the creator, but I care a whole lot about the defaults. My speech is not free if I have to tell you it is free. I think that any privs set to default to restricting copying are both evil and wrong -- especially those involved in scripting, since that is what I wish to spend my time on in the Metaverse. All privs need to be adjusted such that the people wanting to restrict access to their stuff are the ones who have to do something. Thank you, Dharma Galaxy@metropolis Dharma Glaxy @osg -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing listOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.dehttps://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Having struggled with the privs inherited from SL I wish to object.
Time for another fork? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Dahlia Trimble dahliatrim...@gmail.comwrote: You're free to change your permissions as you would like them to be. Nobody is restricting your freedom. If the defaults were changed for everyone just to suit your convenience, then others would be inconvenienced. If the permission system doesn't suit your needs, you're also free to use other software that you find better suits your needs. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Jim Williams sphere1...@gmail.comwrote: No...Clearly default ought to be no restrictions. This is a simple matter of freedom of speech. If I have to tell you you are free to repeat my speech then I am not free. My speech is restricted. If someone wants to charge for receiving their speech it is fine with me, as long as I am not encumbered by their desires. You may invent whatever controls you want for people to use to limit the reach of their speech, as long as I have to do nothing to ignore them. All I want is the default of freedom to speak rather than the assumed default that I don't want to speak. Also, kill what?? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:48 PM, R.Gunther ri...@rigutech.nl wrote: Uhmm, or you type it wrong or you think wrong. default stuff must have no perms. so the owner decide what transfer or copy perms need to be set. if it need to be set. Set everything default to full perms is a killer and very wrong. On 2014-03-25 15:23, Jim Williams wrote: I don't really care much what controls are allowed the creator, but I care a whole lot about the defaults. My speech is not free if I have to tell you it is free. I think that any privs set to default to restricting copying are both evil and wrong -- especially those involved in scripting, since that is what I wish to spend my time on in the Metaverse. All privs need to be adjusted such that the people wanting to restrict access to their stuff are the ones who have to do something. Thank you, Dharma Galaxy@metropolis Dharma Glaxy @osg -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing listOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.dehttps://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] Having struggled with the privs inherited from SL I wish to object.
You are certainly free to fork if you want to - personally I think it is a fairly silly reason to fork, and doubt you will find enough people to support a fork for that reason alone. Especially since I am fairly certain that there is at least one client that will let you set what you want the defaults to be and then set them that way when you create a prim. If that is no longer true, you can also create a prim, set the permissions and then simply drag copy it anytime you need a new prim to build something. Or you can make a prim building tool which creates a prim and sizes and aligns it when you click on it - easy enough to do. There a plenty of options to get what you want without changing the way that thousands of people are used to it working... Frank On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Jim Williams sphere1...@gmail.com wrote: Time for another fork? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Dahlia Trimble dahliatrim...@gmail.comwrote: You're free to change your permissions as you would like them to be. Nobody is restricting your freedom. If the defaults were changed for everyone just to suit your convenience, then others would be inconvenienced. If the permission system doesn't suit your needs, you're also free to use other software that you find better suits your needs. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Jim Williams sphere1...@gmail.comwrote: No...Clearly default ought to be no restrictions. This is a simple matter of freedom of speech. If I have to tell you you are free to repeat my speech then I am not free. My speech is restricted. If someone wants to charge for receiving their speech it is fine with me, as long as I am not encumbered by their desires. You may invent whatever controls you want for people to use to limit the reach of their speech, as long as I have to do nothing to ignore them. All I want is the default of freedom to speak rather than the assumed default that I don't want to speak. Also, kill what?? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:48 PM, R.Gunther ri...@rigutech.nl wrote: Uhmm, or you type it wrong or you think wrong. default stuff must have no perms. so the owner decide what transfer or copy perms need to be set. if it need to be set. Set everything default to full perms is a killer and very wrong. On 2014-03-25 15:23, Jim Williams wrote: I don't really care much what controls are allowed the creator, but I care a whole lot about the defaults. My speech is not free if I have to tell you it is free. I think that any privs set to default to restricting copying are both evil and wrong -- especially those involved in scripting, since that is what I wish to spend my time on in the Metaverse. All privs need to be adjusted such that the people wanting to restrict access to their stuff are the ones who have to do something. Thank you, Dharma Galaxy@metropolis Dharma Glaxy @osg -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing listOpensim-dev@lists.berlios.dehttps://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- No essence. No permanence. No perfection. Only action. ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
