Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-08-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite; the particular case of ksh is a difficult one; while I don't think there are many people writing products based on ksh script (I'd certainly hope there aren't any), scripts are often written by system administrators and breakage is bad. Similar to what Sun did

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-08-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Change of perspective Are we all confusing the Consolidation called ON that lives under the OpenSolaris banner with the whole set of potential consolidations? Just because the ON consolidation is saddled with compatibility issues with the closed stuff

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IHMO, in order for OpenSolaris to be accepted by mortals like myself, blastwave.org has to become an integral part thereof. In order to make blastwave an integral part of OpenSolaris, blastwave would need to move towards an open build process. Guess

Re: [osol-discuss] zfs and acl, resource controls

2005-08-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
Daniel Johnsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anything new happened in this direction ? I mean can we really expect to see fine-grained acls with the arrival of ZFS ? Like on Windows2k3 where you can set alot of permissions (read, read_acl, write, append, ...) instead of just r/w/x, and the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-08-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Sommerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in the specific case of ksh88, it may turn out to be the case that pdksh is close enough that the known delta is just a few bug fixes away -- a small-scale project rather than a major undertaking like rewriting it from scratch... Why do you believe

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-08-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rules we've set up in Solaris allow us to do a large amount, even incompatible change, without going to a new major release. It would probably have to be something as fundamental as libc changing incompatibility and not offering an old version to

[osol-discuss] Packaging and Building applications, standards for OpenSolaris

2005-08-02 Thread Magnus Forsberg
Hi all, At the moment I'm looking for a Sun-way of building Solaris packages (Like SUNW), with a proper build environment, but unfortunately there are too many ways. I already have my own customized environment, but I prefer to use a standard. The packaging guides at

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-08-02 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: The most important thing people need to understand is that adding something that is closed source and cannot be redistributed or ported to other (new) platforms is a deviation from OpenSolaris. [ ... ] This ties back to my message yesterday on this

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-08-02 Thread Matthew Simmons
JL == James Lick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JL Move current ksh to ksh88, add ksh93, and make ksh a link to ksh88. JL Include a script to change the link to/from ksh88 or ksh93 so people JL can configure the default to taste easily. In a future release the JL link would point to

Re: [osol-discuss] Packaging and Building applications, standards for OpenSolaris

2005-08-02 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Magnus Forsberg wrote: [ ... ] The best solution to all of this for now is: http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/... That might be putting it a little too strongly, but I do agree that the JDS/pkgbuild build system definitely seems to have _a lot_ of unifying potential. Eric

[osol-discuss] Re: Packaging and Building applications, standards for OpenSolaris

2005-08-02 Thread UNIX admin
Sunfreeware is just plain BUSTED because Steve Christensen doesn't really understand how to package software, to be more precise, he does not understand how to engineer software packages. Sun clearly states in their Application Packaging Developer's Guide how packages should be designed and

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread James Dickens
On 8/2/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to make blastwave an integral part of OpenSolaris, blastwave would need to move towards an open build process. Guess why SchilliX cannot just use the results of the blastwave project. Jörg In my

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: If you like to have a discussion where people read your mail, you should start with lines that are no longer than 78 characters following RFC-2822. You and many other people in this list use infinitely long lines that are close to impossible to read.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread Shawn Walker
On 8/2/05, W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my previous post, I asked a couple of what should be considered easy questions regarding blastwave.org but instead of getting direct yes or no answers, I was told to go through the entire web site. This kind of attitude happened a lot

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
James Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he was stating it was rude to tell someone to go read the doc's instead of giving him a link to a page that anwsered his questions directly. ??? Did you read my mail? If you did, you would know that this is wrong. If you like to have a

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
most other people use a email client that breaks lines automaticly making the best use of a gui interface. I think I have subscribed to the email list, but instead of getting the posted messages, I have been receiving a bunch of emails that read like this: --- You are watching the forum

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Anyway, as I mentioned to you in a separate email, the way this forum is set up really does not speak well for whatever community it intends to represent. Agreed. Derek and the rest of the group, can we scrap the forums (or maybe make them R/O) and

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
People who use a Browser to write mail need to set up the editing window to be wide enough (e.g. 130 chars) and then manually insert line breacks. Jörg The problem with manually inserting line breaks is that, after you go back to edit your message, the entire paragraph will usually get totally

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 02:07:29PM -0400, Dragan Cvetkovic wrote: Anyway, as I mentioned to you in a separate email, the way this forum is set up really does not speak well for whatever community it intends to represent. Agreed. Derek and the rest of the group, can we scrap the forums (or

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-08-02 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 02:07:29PM -0400, Dragan Cvetkovic wrote: Or, as I said before, let us set a news server for opensolaris.org groups. What are the objections to gmane? Gmane is fine, but I think it is set as R/O i.e. you can't post

[osol-discuss] Re: developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-08-02 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
This is a test to see whether the OpenSolaris Forum will show Chinese characters: 漢字 This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] New community proposal: Approachability

2005-08-02 Thread Stephen Hahn
One of the areas we've been working on after Solaris 10 has been labelled approachability--a rather vague term for eliminating both annoying and substantial gaps in the operating system. Areas we've been investigating include simplifying complex operations, like rich networking

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-08-02 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2005 at 01:07:37AM -0700, Ferdinand O. Tempel wrote: [ ... ] As time progresses OpenSolaris will run ahead of the music, and introduce incomaptibilites with Solaris. That's This is not the plan and is not our announced

Re: [osol-discuss] zfs and acl, resource controls

2005-08-02 Thread Matty
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, James C. McPherson wrote: Daniel Johnsen wrote: ... 1b. Btw, why doesnt sun share the development process of zfs with the community ? Like integrating it into the opensolaris release, but not as the default root filesystem. It would be very clever to get a lot of

[osol-discuss] netnews access (was Solaris vs. Linux)

2005-08-02 Thread Mike Kupfer
What are the objections to gmane? Dragan Gmane is fine, but I think it is set as R/O i.e. you can't post Dragan through it. We started talking about this in July, and it fell off my radar. Anyway, the concern about gmane is the fact that users currently have to be registered with mailman to

Re: [osol-discuss] New community proposal: Approachability

2005-08-02 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, I'd like to get this discussion out and onto opensolaris.org, so that inputs, fixes, and new ideas come from the larger set of people who care about OpenSolaris adoption. If you are interested, please let me know, or just join in. Thus: Sounds fantastic to me. Is this the

Re: [osol-discuss] New community proposal: Approachability

2005-08-02 Thread Tao Chen
On 8/2/05, Stephen Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the areas we've been working on after Solaris 10 has been labelled approachability--a rather vague term for eliminating both annoying and substantial gaps in the operating system.Areas we've been investigating include simplifying complex

[osol-discuss] Re: New community proposal: Approachability

2005-08-02 Thread Tao Chen
Ouch, I am looking at this thread from the web, the format totally screws up: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1509 The original post from Stephen doesn't even show up. FWIW, I usually read/write emails from gmail. Tao This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] New community proposal: Approachability

2005-08-02 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-08-02 17:59]: Hey, I'd like to get this discussion out and onto opensolaris.org, so that inputs, fixes, and new ideas come from the larger set of people who care about OpenSolaris adoption. If you are interested, please let me know, or

[osol-discuss] iSCSI Target implementation?

2005-08-02 Thread Matty
Does anyone know if an iSCSI target implementation is on the opensolaris roadmap? The initiator implementation looks promising, but the target implementation would be super useful. Thanks for any insight, - Ryan ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-08-02 Thread Derek Cicero
James Lick wrote: W. Wayne Liauh wrote: This is a test to see whether the OpenSolaris Forum will show Chinese characters: 漢字 The forum software replaced what you wrote with ??, but in the mailing list it comes out correctly as the traditional characters han zi. The forum pages are