Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Gary Driggs
On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:37 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: Well...Solaris 11 express support for production use will be made available under the Oracle Premier Support for Operating Systems program, maybe those who are enrolled will have access to the source code. maybe not. For awhile, some MySQL

[osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Knut Reinert
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:50 PM, David Blake davidblakeaus...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork? Given the ongoing BSD'tification of Illumos userland utilities I'd say it may be time to fork. Solaris and it's descendants should stay with it's

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Edward Martinez
. So perhaps Illumos/OpenIndiana will become the OurDelta or MariaDB equivalent of Oracle Solaris and outshine its predecessor. :) -Gary ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org maybe illumos/openindiana are

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Gary Driggs
On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:57 AM, Knut Reinert wrote: Given the ongoing BSD'tification of Illumos userland utilities I'd say it may be time to fork. Solaris and it's descendants should stay with it's SystemV heritage and POSIX. How do BSD or System V have anything to do with POSIX or Single UNIX

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
So perhaps Illumos/OpenIndiana will become the OurDelta or MariaDB equivalent of Oracle Solaris and outshine its predecessor. :) I am very doubtful about this. Oracle states (http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/173478) that Oracle Solaris 11 is scheduled to contain more than 2,700

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Btw, at http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/173478 : The first Oracle Solaris 11 Express release, expected by the end of calendar year 2010, will provide customers with timely access to the latest Oracle Solaris 11 Express features with an optional Oracle support agreement. This release

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Edward Martinez
They say that support agreement is *optional* for Solaris 11 Express. the battle of the articles;-) it may be optional but according to a few oracle sites it appears updates will only be available to whom is enrolled in the Oracle Premier Support for Operating Systems offering.

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Ian Collins
On 09/22/10 07:57 PM, Knut Reinert wrote: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:50 PM, David Blake davidblakeaus...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork? Given the ongoing BSD'tification of Illumos userland utilities I'd say it may be time to fork.

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Nikola M
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Well...Solaris 11 express support for production use will be made available under the Oracle Premier Support for Operating Systems program, maybe those who are enrolled will have access to the source code. maybe not. Sol 11 Express is open source for everyone.

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Nikola M
Edward Martinez wrote: well... if it happens that updates won't be made available to end-users,devs, etc unless we are enrolled in the Oracle Premier Support for Operating Systems offering then that is one main feature we lost we had a new opensolaris /dev build; updated software. i

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Gary Driggs
On Sep 22, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: Can Illumos developers spend 20 million person hours of development? There's much to be said for quality versus quantity. ;) -Gary ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dmitry G. Kozhinov d...@desktopfay.com wrote: So perhaps Illumos/OpenIndiana will become the OurDelta or MariaDB equivalent of Oracle Solaris and outshine its predecessor. :) I am very doubtful about this. Oracle states (http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/173478) that Oracle

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 09:57 +0200, Knut Reinert wrote: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:50 PM, David Blake davidblakeaus...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork? Given the ongoing BSD'tification of Illumos userland utilities I'd say it may be time

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:24, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: So perhaps Illumos/OpenIndiana will become the OurDelta or MariaDB equivalent of Oracle Solaris and outshine its predecessor. :) I am very doubtful about this. Oracle states (http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/173478) that

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Edward Martinez
Jorg When can we expect SchilliX-0.7.1i+ to be made available to download? Regards Edward -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Did Oracle really spend 1 man years? Yes, I ask myself the same question :) - Dmitry. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Cedric Blancher
On 22 September 2010 10:22, Gary Driggs gdri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:57 AM, Knut Reinert wrote: Given the ongoing BSD'tification of Illumos userland utilities I'd say it may be time to fork. Solaris and it's descendants should stay with it's SystemV heritage and POSIX. How

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Given that the development metric quoted there is the cumulative historic investment in the existing code-base, Illumos would probably be just as justified as Oracle in making the same claim. Agreed. 20 million hours cannot refer to (Open)Solaris 10 - 11 improvements. - Dmitry. -- This

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Du (Dmitry G. Kozhinov) schreibst: Did Oracle really spend 1 man years? Yes, I ask myself the same question :) - Dmitry. Solaris, as we know it now, is based and naturally derived from SunOS... (which was BSD). So, after 28 years of SunOS (Solaris itself internally still calls itself

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Cedric Blancher
On 22 September 2010 12:06, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 09/22/10 07:57 PM, Knut Reinert wrote: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:50 PM, David Blake davidblakeaus...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork? Given the ongoing BSD'tification

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 14:20 +0200, Cedric Blancher wrote: On 22 September 2010 12:06, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 09/22/10 07:57 PM, Knut Reinert wrote: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:50 PM, David Blake davidblakeaus...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, is anyone planning an

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 14:30 +0200, Cedric Blancher wrote: On 22 September 2010 14:25, Garrett D'Amore garr...@damore.org wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 14:20 +0200, Cedric Blancher wrote: On 22 September 2010 12:06, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 09/22/10 07:57 PM, Knut Reinert

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Erik Trimble
On 9/22/2010 5:02 AM, Cedric Blancher wrote: On 22 September 2010 10:22, Gary Driggsgdri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:57 AM, Knut Reinert wrote: Given the ongoing BSD'tification of Illumos userland utilities I'd say it may be time to fork. Solaris and it's descendants should

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michael Kerpan
Frankly, I don't see why none of the forks/sporks/distros floating around are looking at the modernized, more-featureful versions of the System V tools available from the Heirloom Tools project. IIRC, most of them are even CDDL-licensed (as OpenSolaris code was a starting point for most of them)

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Cedric Blancher
On 22 September 2010 14:43, Michael Kerpan mjker...@kerpan.com wrote: Frankly, I don't see why none of the forks/sporks/distros floating around are looking at the modernized, more-featureful versions of the System V tools available from the Heirloom Tools project. IIRC, most of them are even

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com wrote: When can we expect SchilliX-0.7.1i+ to be made available to download? There will be a self hosting SchilliX-0.7.2 tomorrow (in case there are no problems). This will be based on the same kernel as seen in 0.7.1i. During the past time, I compiled a

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Erik Trimble
On 9/22/2010 6:00 AM, Cedric Blancher wrote: On 22 September 2010 14:43, Michael Kerpanmjker...@kerpan.com wrote: Frankly, I don't see why none of the forks/sporks/distros floating around are looking at the modernized, more-featureful versions of the System V tools available from the Heirloom

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Dmitry G. Kozhinov d...@desktopfay.com wrote: So perhaps Illumos/OpenIndiana will become the OurDelta or MariaDB equivalent of Oracle Solaris and outshine its predecessor. :) I am very doubtful about this. Oracle states

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread I. Szczesniak
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Garrett D'Amore garr...@damore.org wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 14:30 +0200, Cedric Blancher wrote: On 22 September 2010 14:25, Garrett D'Amore garr...@damore.org wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 14:20 +0200, Cedric Blancher wrote: On 22 September 2010 12:06, Ian

Re: [osol-discuss] Illumos loosing the SystemV heritage, fork (was: Re: Is anyone planning an alternative to Illumos or a fork?)

2010-09-22 Thread Gary Driggs
On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:02 AM, Cedric Blancher wrote: This is news for me. Could you point me to the opengroup page which lists FreeBSD, NetBSD or any other BSD operating system except Apple OS X as SUS certified? Apple is the only one that can afford to pay for it but that means Darwin is as

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Dmitry G. Kozhinov d...@desktopfay.com wrote: So perhaps Illumos/OpenIndiana will become the OurDelta or MariaDB equivalent of Oracle Solaris and outshine its predecessor. :) I am very doubtful about this. Oracle states

Re: [osol-discuss] New In Solaris 10 9/10 (Update 9)

2010-09-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
what's new in the latest release of Oracle Solaris 10! http://blogs.sun.com/OTNGarage/date/20100908 Oracle upgrades Solaris with Sun Solaris 10 9/10 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/eye-on-oracl e/oracle-upgrades-solaris-with-sun-solaris-10-910/ Download link:

Re: [osol-discuss] New In Solaris 10 9/10 (Update 9)

2010-09-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
what's new in the latest release of Oracle Solaris 10! http://blogs.sun.com/OTNGarage/date/20100908 Oracle upgrades Solaris with Sun Solaris 10 9/10 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/eye-on-oracl e/oracle-upgrades-solaris-with-sun-solaris-10-910/ Download link:

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license

2010-09-22 Thread Alex Chris
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[osol-discuss] Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wants to become the next person after U.S. Senator Ernie Chambers to sue God

2010-09-22 Thread Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) 张恩鸣 o f Singapore
I want to sue God for being too busy and unresponsive. How can I file a lawsuit against Him at the United States Supreme Court? -- Yours sincerely, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) 张恩鸣 Dip(Mechatronics) BEng(Hons)(Mechanical Engineering) Citizenship: Singapore Citizen/Singaporean Alma Maters:

Re: [osol-discuss] could not open default font 'fixed'

2010-09-22 Thread Dan Anderson
I had the same problem, with snv_147. The fix is to append the following line to this file: /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias: fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1 Ref: http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5430180 - Dan Anderson -- This message