a b wrote:
Even if there is no VC money and some people will have to, hum, share> an
apartment?
Why not? Remember also, VC capital is a U.S. specific thing. In Europe, if you
want a startup, you fund that thing out of your own pocket.
Off topic perhaps, but they have VC's in Britain as well
> Even if there is no VC money and some people will have to, hum, share> an
> apartment?
Why not? Remember also, VC capital is a U.S. specific thing. In Europe, if you
want a startup, you fund that thing out of your own pocket.
Even if there is VC capital available, people here don't go for it
> > IMHO, the Open Solaris community needs more than
> just
> > programmers.
>
> Sure, but if someone that does documentation or
> marketing can
> code at least to the extent of the "bite-size" stuff,
> can in the
> former case read code without the need of constant
> consultation
> with the progr
> I have started an ongoing personal project to engage
> my local Linux
> UG, (which I am a member of) in an OpenSolaris
> discussion. So far it's
> mostly been "Where do I get and how do I install
> OpenSolaris??"
Did you address the most common issues, such as:
- software subsystem management c
> This raises an interesting point. As a lot of
> comments regarding the
> lack of Linux documentation have been raised. The
> viewpoint of the
> Linux community is that OpenSolaris doesn't have
> enough documentation.
> Somehow we need to figure out what the disconnect is.
The disconnect is that
--- Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> >
> > Let me tell you a true story:
>
> Replace Solaris guy with debian guy in a Redhat
> shop.
I meant there is a another true story like this only
with a debian guy in a redhat shop.
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On 5/22/07, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The design and planning of this (an OpenSolaris reference distro) _is_
going to be an OpenSolaris Community-governed thing, not a Sun-governed
thing, right?
Yes.
-ian
--
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"Don't look back--som
> Sad story. But let's say the developers of the idea are
> python+framework+ui+graphics people, and they are os agnostic, and
> one of them says: we should get solaris because it'll scale, and if
> we can bring in Joe the Solaris Guru at founding and give him shares
> and make him Director of OS
--- a b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Sad story. But let's say the developers of the idea are
> > python+framework+ui+graphics people, and they are os agnostic,
> and
> > one of them says: we should get solaris because it'll scale, and
> if
> > we can bring in Joe the Solaris Guru at founding
--- UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let me tell you a true story:
> A Solaris guy will never join a rogue Linux startup. First of all,
> the "developers" will consider him to be obsolete - simply
> WORTHLESS. No, lower than worthless.
Sad story. But let's say the developers of the idea a
>
> Let me tell you a true story:
Replace Solaris guy with debian guy in a Redhat shop.
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> There's lots of that, but the opposite is also true:
> If you wait for
> the VCs to plunk down $3,000,000 before you get your
> app up, and if
> you wait until the Solaris Guy believes in your
> little group to join
> (he won't join until the VC money is in, the VC won't
> give you the
> money un
. . . . . .
> There's lots of that, but the opposite is also true:
> If you wait for
> the VCs to plunk down $3,000,000 before you get your
> app up, and if
> you wait until the Solaris Guy believes in your
> little group to join
> (he won't join until the VC money is in, the VC won't
> give you t
I read the "we" as "everyone [I've convinced] at this point". Also, it's been
said over and over that it will be a community project. To me that implies
that it will be mostly Sun people, because Sun is most of the active community
:)
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--- Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The design and planning of this (an OpenSolaris reference distro)
> _is_
> going to be an OpenSolaris Community-governed thing, not a
> Sun-governed
> thing, right?
Maybe Sun got tired of waiting for the "Community"?
Chris Mahan
818.943.1850 cell
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On Tue, 22 May 2007, Ian Murdock wrote:
On 5/22/07, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2007, Ian Murdock wrote:
> On 5/21/07, Brian Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I don't think one distro can be all things to all
>> people.
>
> Agreed. That's why there's still plenty o
On 5/22/07, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2007, Ian Murdock wrote:
> On 5/21/07, Brian Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I don't think one distro can be all things to all
>> people.
>
> Agreed. That's why there's still plenty of room for other distros,
> regardless of
On Mon, 21 May 2007, Ian Murdock wrote:
On 5/21/07, Brian Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't think one distro can be all things to all
people.
Agreed. That's why there's still plenty of room for other distros,
regardless of what Sun does.
Ian, you aren't gonna win this one by trying to
> > Chanting something long enough to onself or reading
> the same thing over and over - and perception becomes
> reality.
>
> Interesting that you should say that... :)
I've thought and considered these things for a very long time. I still think
about them every day.
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On 5/21/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No CIO in the
> world said, "I've gotta get me some Linux!", or at
> least in the late
> 1990s when Linux was taking off. He woke up one day
> and realized Linux
> was already everywhere.
Actually the reality is that he was told some day that L
> Chanting something long enough to onself or reading the same thing over and
> over - and perception becomes reality.
Interesting that you should say that... :)
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Ian Murdock writes:
> On 5/17/07, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't see how that's relevant for the question at hand, which I
> > believe was the importance of POSIX, SUS, and similar OS standards for
> > modern systems (or the lack thereof).
>
> It's all interfaces at the end o
> Sure, IBM may be not be "innovating" with AIX, as we speak, they've >
> certainly done so in the past, and it would be a shame to ignore that. >
> Solaris has gone through its "dark times", as well, when AIX was > considered
> "innovative" (consider, Solaris 8 v. AIX 4.3.3 or Solaris 9 > v. A
On 5/17/07, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ian Murdock writes:
> On 5/17/07, Richard L. Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Until an open collaboration of developers achieves the same
> > documented process as industry or formal membership based bodies
> > (ECMA, IEEE) or national (
> No CIO in the
> world said, "I've gotta get me some Linux!", or at
> least in the late
> 1990s when Linux was taking off. He woke up one day
> and realized Linux
> was already everywhere.
Actually the reality is that he was told some day that Linux has already been
put in place by some bloke on
Alan DuBoff wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
Sun is actually a massive a minority in the community at this point.
There are 51,179 people registered on the site right now, and only
about 2,000 of those have Sun badges.
So, where are all those other people? I don't see them p
a b wrote:
I wanted to get AIX, but when I looked even at an outdated 32-bit rack-mountable "AIX"
PPC system, the prices of the hardware were so high I just said - forget it! And the fact that one
can't get AIX readily makes things even worse. Perhaps it is possible to obtain AIX gratis, but it
> Do you have a HP-UX-11.x system?
Yes, I do.
> Well, there is AIX but I am not sure whether IBM takes it for real
> and I know of no "hacker" who is using AIX as development platform.
I wanted to get AIX, but when I looked even at an outdated 32-bit
rack-mountable "AIX" PPC system, the prices
Shawn Walker schrieb:
As I said before, the point is that it is unexpected behaviour.
Do you count the number of columns in an interactive context?
Unless the man page for the utility explicitly lists the behaviour in
question, it is undesireable in my view. Even then, I have misgivings
abou
On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Shawn Walker schrieb:
> On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Compatible formatting if stdout is not a terminal.
>> Optimized formatting if stdout is a terminal.
>
> Which would be really annoying to me as a user.
>
> I would g
Shawn Walker schrieb:
On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Compatible formatting if stdout is not a terminal.
Optimized formatting if stdout is a terminal.
Which would be really annoying to me as a user.
I would go to look at the output, think "I'll just pipe that to such
and
On 19/05/07, Doug Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
> On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hugh McIntyre schrieb:
>> > You can use (n)awk in the case above. For example, what happens with
>> > "cut" in the case above if a future project allows usernames >8
>>
Shawn Walker wrote:
On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hugh McIntyre schrieb:
> You can use (n)awk in the case above. For example, what happens with
> "cut" in the case above if a future project allows usernames >8
> characters? But granted that some people will have scripts t
On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hugh McIntyre schrieb:
> You can use (n)awk in the case above. For example, what happens with
> "cut" in the case above if a future project allows usernames >8
> characters? But granted that some people will have scripts that use
> "cut", so i
Hugh McIntyre schrieb:
You can use (n)awk in the case above. For example, what happens with
"cut" in the case above if a future project allows usernames >8
characters? But granted that some people will have scripts that use
"cut", so it's hard to change.
Compatible formatting if stdout is n
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FreeBSD's utilities in contrast check for the largest required width and
adjusts output accordingly:
-rwsr-s--x 1 oracle dba 133894000 Mai 29 2006 oracle*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba1339524 Mai 19 2006 oratclsh*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba
--- Joerg Schilling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > > Compared to other marketing activities from Sun,
> > > this would be cheap and the
> > > current idea of "project Indiana" looks to me
> like
> > > a Sun OpenSolaris
> > > dis
>Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> > Compared to other marketing activities from Sun,
>> > this would be cheap and the
>> > current idea of "project Indiana" looks to me like
>> > a Sun OpenSolaris
>> > distribution that (if done the way it currently
>> > seems) wil
Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Compared to other marketing activities from Sun,
> > this would be cheap and the
> > current idea of "project Indiana" looks to me like
> > a Sun OpenSolaris
> > distribution that (if done the way it currently
> > seems) will most lik
> Compared to other marketing activities from Sun,
> this would be cheap and the
> current idea of "project Indiana" looks to me like
> a Sun OpenSolaris
> distribution that (if done the way it currently
> seems) will most likely embrace
> and crush the sensitive plants that are the real
> fre
Daniel Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If df had a similar output, I'd prefer this:
>
> 83886083041200 534740837%
>335544321605719 31794110 5%
>62914560 37766679 1412994873%
>62914560 11017932 1412994844%
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
FreeBSD's utilities in contrast check for the largest required width and
adjusts output accordingly:
-rwsr-s--x 1 oracle dba 133894000 Mai 29 2006 oracle*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba1339524 Mai 19 2006 oratclsh*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba
>FreeBSD's utilities in contrast check for the largest required width and
>adjusts output accordingly:
>-rwsr-s--x 1 oracle dba 133894000 Mai 29 2006 oracle*
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba1339524 Mai 19 2006 oratclsh*
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba 48 Sep 25 2000 orax
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
It probably shouldn't be the default, but I can't really tell what this
means:
131996712968156 9652530272 1%
quick, how much space is that?
Enough free.
With the -h option the width of the filesystem size is roughly the same -
regardless if the files
a b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Do you have a HP-UX-11.x system?
>
> Yes, I do.
>
> > Well, there is AIX but I am not sure whether IBM takes it for real
> > and I know of no "hacker" who is using AIX as development platform.
>
> I wanted to get AIX, but when I looked even at an outdated 32-bi
>Doug Scott schrieb:
>> The patch for df.c below checks to see if stdout is a tty (i.e.
>> interactive), and will add
>> the -h option if no other options conflict. If stdout is not a tty (i.e.
>> a script), the df command
>> is unchanged. Is there anything wrong with this idea??
>
>Why does eve
Danek Duvall wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 03:08:22PM +0700, Doug Scott wrote:
The patch for df.c below checks to see if stdout is a tty (i.e. interactive),
and will add
the -h option if no other options conflict. If stdout is not a tty (i.e. a
script), the df command
is unchanged. Is the
Doug Scott schrieb:
The patch for df.c below checks to see if stdout is a tty (i.e.
interactive), and will add
the -h option if no other options conflict. If stdout is not a tty (i.e.
a script), the df command
is unchanged. Is there anything wrong with this idea??
Why does everyone like the "
John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andre van Eyssen wrote:
> > It's a dose of hell for anyone learning to write scripts.
>
> I don't believe we need an envariable to enable this for several
> reasons:
>
> A) envariables don't scale - they are per-user,
> per-system, per-problem band-ai
Andre van Eyssen wrote:
It's a dose of hell for anyone learning to write scripts.
I don't believe we need an envariable to enable this for several
reasons:
A) envariables don't scale - they are per-user,
per-system, per-problem band-aids. Over time
and over systems, this path leads to c
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 03:08:22PM +0700, Doug Scott wrote:
> The patch for df.c below checks to see if stdout is a tty (i.e. interactive),
> and will add
> the -h option if no other options conflict. If stdout is not a tty (i.e. a
> script), the df command
> is unchanged. Is there anything wron
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
Sun is actually a massive a minority in the community at this point.
There are 51,179 people registered on the site right now, and only about
2,000 of those have Sun badges.
So, where are all those other people? I don't see them participating on
the
On 18/05/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- "Richard L. Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry about that mess...here's another try.
>
> > The initial area of confusion hits with the
> > distinction between packages and patches -- I know
> > there's a differenc
Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > And I don't see th package tools determining
> > distribution models.
> > Blastwave have a different distribution model from
> > Sun and they
> > use standard Solaris packages just fine.
>
> Can you store dependency data in Solaris packa
> On Fri, 18 May 2007, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
> > Alan DuBoff wrote:
> >
> >> OpenSolaris should belong to the community, the
> community should decide
> >> it's destiny, the community should be the sum of
> the entire community. Yes,
> >> Sun is a part of that, but it is only a part. It's
> not
UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> HP-UX? Now that's a joke. hp being the braindead company they are, first
> killed off DECUnix (pardon, "Tru64"), and they haven't really done much of
> anything other than some minimal catching up, all while grinding their teeth,
> on HP-UX.
>
> I should
--- Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote:
> >> And I don't see th package tools determining
> >> distribution models.
> >> Blastwave have a different distribution model
> from
> >> Sun and they
> >> use standard Solaris packages just fine.
> >
> > Can yo
Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote:
And I don't see th package tools determining
distribution models.
Blastwave have a different distribution model from
Sun and they
use standard Solaris packages just fine.
Can you store dependency data in Solaris packages?
Yes, you have been able to store dep
> And I don't see th package tools determining
> distribution models.
> Blastwave have a different distribution model from
> Sun and they
> use standard Solaris packages just fine.
Can you store dependency data in Solaris packages?
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On 5/18/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The whole development model is because there is no
other way to do it since the packaging tools will not
allow anything else. There is no choice but to create
the patch system. Likewise the distribution model.
That's simply not
--- "Richard L. Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry about that mess...here's another try.
>
> > The initial area of confusion hits with the
> > distinction between packages and patches -- I know
> > there's a difference between releasing
> > functionality and fixing something that's
> >
> And the patches give you one thing by default that
> wholesale package
> replacement does not: the option to back them out.
You can also roll back on a package system.
> A lot of this isn't unique to Solaris; I think a
> number of other (mostly
> non-Linux) commercially distributed OSs disting
Sorry about that mess...here's another try.
> The initial area of confusion hits with the
> distinction between packages and patches -- I know
> there's a difference between releasing
> functionality and fixing something that's
> broken. That's not a distinction, by and
> large, that is not made i
> The initial area of confusion hits with the
> distinction between packages and patches -- I know
> there's a difference between releasing
> functionality and fixing something that's
> broken. That's not a distinction, by and
> large, that is not made in the Linux world. If
> I'm running
> foo-
So, who exactly is left, other than Solaris, in the UNIX arena?
IBM?, AIX Micro, Dyanmic, and VIO Partitions are kinda neat and they are
supported on their big database servers as opposed to Sun Logical Domains.
Granted this is mostly a firmware/hardware hack, but hey we need some other
aspects
> Solaris has many features which should be moving
> people from Linux to
> Solaris
> on mass. Unfortunately, a lot are turned off by some
> things which
> should have been
> fixed in Solaris a long time ago. Hopefully Project
> Indiana will address
> these.
Just because Solaris doesn't functi
> The opposite could be said about Solaris. A) Solaris
> has an
> illustrious history of adopting useless standards,
You've never truly lived until you've been dumped in a middle of a salad of all
kinds of Linux distros - from RedHat 9 to SuSE 9 to RHES to RHEL to ...
Then you'll know what pains
Casper writes:
As I see it, there are several categories:
- missing utilities (functionality, command line options,
...)
- no brainer: just add them/it
- differences in behaviour:
- backspace/delete : unfortunate mistakes made with the
Ian Murdock writes:
> On 5/17/07, Richard L. Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Until an open collaboration of developers achieves the same
> > documented process as industry or formal membership based bodies
> > (ECMA, IEEE) or national (ANSI) or international standards bodies (ISO),
> > _and
On 5/17/07, Richard L. Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One thing to think about is how standards have
> changed.. It's no
> longer big vendors in a room deciding what "the
> standard" is (i.e.,
> the top down approach). It's more the developers
> (largely in open
> source projects) deciding
On 5/16/07, Frank Van Der Linden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You can't do that with zones as they stand now. There's a whole list of
things you can't do in a non-global zone. So you'd have to pick one
environment for the global zone (which can do everything you want), and
then one for another zone
> Coming from a Linux background, I don't expect
> OpenSolaris to look and
> feel like Linux, but I do expect the OpenSolaris
> community to actively
> engage with people like me. My impression is that,
> due to Sun's long
> proud history (and BSD roots), some in the
> OpenSolaris and Sun
> com
> Linux is the OS of GNU project, why can not SunOS be
> one of the OS of GNU project?
Well, Hurd is actually "the" OS of the GNU project,
but in practice Hurd never caught on or developed
fast enough (and I've heard it has fundamental performance
issues), so in practice, Linux is too, and the wor
Andre van Eyssen wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2007, Doug Scott wrote:
The patch for df.c below checks to see if stdout is a tty (i.e.
interactive), and will add
the -h option if no other options conflict. If stdout is not a tty
(i.e. a script), the df command
is unchanged. Is there anything wrong wi
On Thu, 17 May 2007, Doug Scott wrote:
The patch for df.c below checks to see if stdout is a tty (i.e. interactive),
and will add
the -h option if no other options conflict. If stdout is not a tty (i.e. a
script), the df command
is unchanged. Is there anything wrong with this idea??
It's a d
Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
>> I chose to use words that are deliberately
>> provocative, and engender
>> some of the fears of agile methodology. Agile methods
>> do emphasize
>> real time communication, over written documents.
>> Agile methods also
>> emphasize "working software" as the measure of
> I chose to use words that are deliberately
> provocative, and engender
> some of the fears of agile methodology. Agile methods
> do emphasize
> real time communication, over written documents.
> Agile methods also
> emphasize "working software" as the measure of
> progress, and produce
> very lit
> Yes, Sun does make a lot of the decisions today, in
> regard to OpenSolaris,
> and that is wrong, IMO. I believe the community
> should be responsible for
> doing their own management of their community and as
> we move forward that
> is happening more and more.
It isn't said out loud too oft
Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
Another crazy idea would be to make utilities
sensitive to a certain
environment variable that defines the default
"flavor". It doesn't work
out of the box exactly, but it could be made almost
OOB if the choice of
flavor is offe
--- "Richard L. Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > IMHO, the Open Solaris community needs more than
> just
> > programmers.
>
> Sure, but if someone that does documentation or
> marketing can
> code at least to the extent of the "bite-size"
> stuff, can in the
> former case read code witho
> IMHO, the Open Solaris community needs more than just
> programmers.
Sure, but if someone that does documentation or marketing can
code at least to the extent of the "bite-size" stuff, can in the
former case read code without the need of constant consultation
with the programmers, and in the lat
> > Compare what's happening around OpenSolaris distros
> to most Linux
> > distros. Gentoo is amazing for docs and self-help;
> Ubuntu, Fedora,
> > Debian and others are not that far behind. I have a
> rack of machines
> > behind me, some Gentoo, some Ubuntu (all likely to
> be Debian soon).
> > D
> >Another crazy idea would be to make utilities
> sensitive to a certain
> >environment variable that defines the default
> "flavor". It doesn't work
> >out of the box exactly, but it could be made almost
> OOB if the choice of
> >flavor is offered when the user account is created -
> and for m
So have a new environment variable
SUNW_INCOMPATIBLE_LINUX_ACCOMODATION_DEFAULTS=true
which if set causes various programs to change their defaults. Note
that the programs would still have to add the functionality, just that the
default
behavior without that would remain as it is.
That way, th
> Two things:
>
> Improvement can only take place with change or
> supplementation. If something does not improve, it
> will be replaced by superior alternatives. Sun wants
> Solaris to be successful, so change (or
> supplementation) must occur. If POSIX told you to
> hang yourself, you wouldn'
> One thing to think about is how standards have
> changed.. It's no
> longer big vendors in a room deciding what "the
> standard" is (i.e.,
> the top down approach). It's more the developers
> (largely in open
> source projects) deciding what "the standard" is as a
> side
> effect of writing their
On 16/05/07, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Frank Van Der Linden wrote:
> You can't do that with zones as they stand now. There's a whole list of
> things you can't do in a non-global zone.
That is true today, but Xen might change that. We do have branded zones
toda
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Frank Van Der Linden wrote:
You can't do that with zones as they stand now. There's a whole list of
things you can't do in a non-global zone.
That is true today, but Xen might change that. We do have branded zones
today which run a Linux personality, but as you point out,
>Doug Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I have seen something similar used in the past to get around CPU
>> instruction set differences. On Sony's (Yes Sony) version of BSD
>> (possibly others), they were able to use an environment variable within
>> a symbolic link. It actually worked real
Doug Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have seen something similar used in the past to get around CPU
> instruction set differences. On Sony's (Yes Sony) version of BSD
> (possibly others), they were able to use an environment variable within
> a symbolic link. It actually worked really well
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 06:46:39PM -0400, Ian Murdock wrote:
> On 5/13/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 03:01:32PM -0700, MC wrote:
> > > Two things:
> > >
> > > Improvement can only take place with change or supplementation. If
> > > something does not impro
Moinak Ghosh wrote:
Frank Van Der Linden wrote:
Moinak Ghosh wrote:
Nexenta has a very nice approach to this problem. You can set an
environment variable to control your userland environment
personality.
I believe they have hooks into exec to determine the personality of
the caller a
"Richard L. Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You know what, I totally disagree with this move:
> > Don't make Solaris Linux like, BUT teach us Linux
> > guys the Solaris way. As I read here again and again
> > the "POSIX way" - what ever that means, at least I
> > don't know, and I am sur
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would that not be transparent?
(I'm assuming we're mapping paths in /usr/bin to /usr/sun *inside*
the kernel)
The csh hash table was a bad example, that one should be ok.
However, it's not 100% transparent, since it looks to me like an
application that would d
>Moinak Ghosh wrote:
>>
>> Nexenta has a very nice approach to this problem. You can set an
>> environment variable to control your userland environment personality.
>> I believe they have hooks into exec to determine the personality of
>> the caller and automatically resolve binaries from
Frank Van Der Linden wrote:
Moinak Ghosh wrote:
Nexenta has a very nice approach to this problem. You can set an
environment variable to control your userland environment personality.
I believe they have hooks into exec to determine the personality of
the caller and automatically resolv
Moinak Ghosh wrote:
Nexenta has a very nice approach to this problem. You can set an
environment variable to control your userland environment personality.
I believe they have hooks into exec to determine the personality of
the caller and automatically resolve binaries from /usr/sun if
Frank Van Der Linden wrote:
Ian Murdock wrote:
[...]
perfectly happy with Solaris as it exists today, and another for
people who are more familiar with the "Linux" environment. So, the
fact that we don't agree which one is better isn't a showstopper.
[...]environment for first-class citizens and
Ian Murdock wrote:
Well, if that's what you think I've said so far, I haven't done a
very good job of articulating my thoughts. Bottom line is: We have
Zones, so we can provide two environments, one for people who are
perfectly happy with Solaris as it exists today, and another for
people who ar
> You know what, I totally disagree with this move:
> Don't make Solaris Linux like, BUT teach us Linux
> guys the Solaris way. As I read here again and again
> the "POSIX way" - what ever that means, at least I
> don't know, and I am sure many "young"(as in age and
> as in new to Unix) Linux use
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