Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-08-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ferdinand O. Tempel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought we are still in hope that the SVr4 pkg system will become OpenSource soon. Lets start working on solutions anyway. Just in case you run out of breath while you hold it while waiting for Sun to release. Why rely on kindness on the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ferdinand O. Tempel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought we are still in hope that the SVr4 pkg system will become OpenSource soon. Lets start working on solutions anyway. Just in case you run out of breath while you hold it while waiting for

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-08-04 Thread Andy Tucker
On 8/4/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun needs to opensource the package system or to rewrite the zones code. Sun advertizes that OpenSolaris includes Zones but they rely on the missing package system. Until the packaging source (or at least redistributable binaries) is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-08-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
Andy Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/4/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun needs to opensource the package system or to rewrite the zones code. Sun advertizes that OpenSolaris includes Zones but they rely on the missing package system. Until the packaging source (or at

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-08-03 Thread Shawn Walker
On 8/3/05, Ferdinand O. Tempel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a solution for the dilemma this community seems to be in. If it were my call, I'd pick the packaging system which is very well documented, performs well and has a lot of packages for it already. From where I'm sitting that

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-07-08 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Louwtjie, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 11:52:03 AM, you wrote: LB Sorry James, I'll try again :) LB You need the Express ISO's to deploy the opensolaris source, yes. LB My question is, looking down the line in 3-6 months (or 12), will there be any opensolaris distro's (directly from Sun)?

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you talking about how binaries built from ON and other Solaris consolidations are delivered, or about a hypothetical community-led third-party application repository like portage, pkgsrc, and blastwave provide today? Certainly unification in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-06-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On 6/30/05, Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or non-portability, as the case may be. Static linking no longer works on Solaris. For that matter, what mainstream platform doesn't support dynamic linking? Uh...static linking does too work on Solaris 10 :P It may not work for base OS

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-06-29 Thread Eric Boutilier
Tending to be a bit of a reductionist, I can't help but throw out what I think is the #1 foundational question here. What's the best package architecture (database) standard for OpenSolaris? The canonicial choices, listed alphabetically, are: * deb * pkgsrc (implemented by pkgsrc system) *

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-06-29 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 15:43, Eric Boutilier wrote: - A big strike against deb and portage (for Solaris/OpenSolaris) is that no work's been done yet. - A big strike against Solaris packaging is it's not open-source yet. - A big point in favor of Solaris packaging is compatibiltiy with

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-06-29 Thread Chris Ricker
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Eric Boutilier wrote: My 2 cents: - A big strike against deb and portage (for Solaris/OpenSolaris) is that no work's been done yet. - A big strike against Solaris packaging is it's not open-source yet. - A big point in favor of Solaris packaging is compatibiltiy

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-06-29 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 02:43:27PM -0500, Eric Boutilier wrote: Tending to be a bit of a reductionist, I can't help but throw out what I think is the #1 foundational question here. What's the best package architecture (database) standard for OpenSolaris? The canonicial choices, listed

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-06-29 Thread Shawn Walker
These questions to me frame the entire set of problems for any existing packaging system that tries to integrate with a native one or when you have a 3rd party providing the packages instead of the original project. On 6/29/05, Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - If new packages are

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-06-29 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Darren J Moffat wrote: On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 12:43, Eric Boutilier wrote: Tending to be a bit of a reductionist, I can't help but throw out what I think is the #1 foundational question here. What's the best package architecture (database) standard for OpenSolaris?

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-06-29 Thread Laszlo Peter
I feel like it's time to mention my baby: pkgbuild (pkgbuild.sf.net), which is an rpmbuild replacement that produces Solaris SVr4 packages. This is what we use for building JDS/Solaris (all GNOME, Mozilla, Evolution, APOC). We have rpm spec files [with a few enhancements], patches and community

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-06-29 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 05:37:59PM -0500, Eric Boutilier wrote: So them is this commuity here, and the distribution is SchilliX. So in that context, What suites us? is the issue I'm raising. I'd think the packaging system used by SchilliX is for Joerg to decide, in concert with his user base,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-06-29 Thread Shawn Walker
On 6/29/05, Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it seems to me that one feasible path would be to take a minimal OpenSolaris-based OS (SchilliX) and integrate an rpm registry onto it -- at least for now. Then when Solaris packaging (svr4) is open-sourced, migrating to a svr4 registry