Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _If_ they claim that. Otherwise they rely on documented behavior of GNU make. This is quite different from the authors implement code that matches GNU make bugs, as you were writing previously. The GNU make documentation claims that $ is the name

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to on my Solaris 10 GA system Jörg, otherwise I get errors. This statement does not help, it is no longer needed since 18 months. Ok, I'll put it this way. Using the version of cdrtools as distributed by blastwave.org, I cannot do cdrecord

[osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-19 Thread UNIX admin
and you could post a howto, instead of docs.sun.com? Most of the documentation on http://docs.sun.com/ is in a step-by-step format, meaning that the documentation contains some preliminary introduction to the subject matter, and the rest is just step-by-step HOWTO. This is also the case with

Re: [osol-discuss] compiler cache for sun studio

2005-07-19 Thread Patrick Mauritz
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 12:11, Joerg Schilling wrote: The only place where I could imagine that this could speed up things would be when you create dependency lists without using Sun makes .KEEP_STATE: feature. or when changing comments (it caches the preprocessed version), or when having a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gunnar Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And by the way, does star also still need the -U option in addition to x to match historical tar behavior? Did I miss somtheing and there is a POSIX standard for

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dragan Cvetkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: If you have no medium in the drive, you will not see it due to the behavior of volmgt. Wait for Build 19 or 20 for a revised volmgt system that also shows empty drives while volmgt is running.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-19 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: starUsed when called as star, ustar or with any unknown argv[0] and that was clearly the one you were talking about. If you like to create any new CLI variant, No. I do not care. I was referring to your previous message. If

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] ... on OpenSolaris is an oxymoron

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:01:09AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: No, Nevada is the engineering name for the development version of the whole Sun-Solaris. Then it is currently impossible to be binary compatible with it. That should not be

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-19 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - The second sentnce is just in violation with POSIX. POSIX implicit rules are .SUFFIX: rules only a for this reason only have a target that is a concatenation of source and target suffix. There is no prerequisite but only an implicit target and

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-19 Thread Casper . Dik
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -The second sentnce is just in violation with POSIX. POSIX implicit rules are .SUFFIX: rules only a for this reason only have a target that is a concatenation of source and target suffix. There is no prerequisite but only an implicit target and

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] ... on OpenSolaris is an oxymoron

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and for the record, /dev/xsvc is coming. I'm working on it personally now. Good news Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog:

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jürgen Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oddly, I didn't have this problem with the first (same) CD-RW, only after rebooted from disk and started installing CD-2. That is, readcd didn't detect media errors on CD#1? If it doesn't, the CD-ROMdrive would be buggy. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-19 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: Dragan Cvetkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of readcd, why doesn't -scanbus option work with it? bash-3.00# uname -a SunOS lokrum 5.11 snv_18 i86pc i386 i86pc bash-3.00# readcd -scanbus readcd: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI

Re: [osol-discuss] separation of forum and mailing list

2005-07-19 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Gunnar Ritter wrote: I am reading all this via email (have been doing so since the pilot days) and being welcomed with some 100+ emails every day (more than 70% to be removed immediately) is getting tiresome. I can put filters and move email automatically into various

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-19 Thread Darren Kenny
Joerg, I'm not sure what you mean by Solaris / CDE in this context? To reiterate what we are planning and to try clarify things (I hope) : JDS, as a desktop platform, is essentially GNOME, in that we take GNOME packages and apply patches (which include bug fixes, some features and branding)

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren Kenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by Solaris / CDE in this context? To reiterate what we are planning and to try clarify things (I hope) : JDS, as a desktop platform, is essentially GNOME, in that we take GNOME packages and apply patches (which include bug

Re: [osol-discuss] Links Page

2005-07-19 Thread Takaaki Higuchi
Hi, Jim, Could you add these links ? NSUG(Nihon Sun User Group) http://www.nsug.or.jp/ Sun user group in Japan NSUG Download Site http://dl.nsug.jp/ NSUG provides binary packages for Solaris(SPARC/x86) including Japanese binaries. thanks in advance, Takaaki

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-19 Thread Krister Joas
On Jul 18, 2005, at 6:07 PM, UNIX admin wrote: Am I the only one that doesn't like the --something-or-other options of GNU related software? Please don't do this to Solaris! No, you're not the only one. --options are completely uneccessary and serve no purpose. I sincerely hope such

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-19 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Darren J Moffat wrote: Can people please grow up and take the OS advocacy elsewhere. +100. And thank you Sunil and the other people here who use both Linux and Solaris for your restraint. Eric ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-19 Thread Tao Chen
On 7/19/05, Jürgen Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume the bad USB mouse/keyboard responding time could be due to these I/O exceptions?Is the CDROM device the only device connected to the IDE channel, or is therea second device connected on the same channel ( e.g., does the Solaris HDDand the

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-19 Thread Sunil
ha ha haa...you got burnt by a linux fanatic...this is fun!! This message posted from opensolaris.org Can people please grow up and take the OS advocacy elsewhere. It is not fun for those of us that need this lists for real work. just last comments: first, I wasn't advocating any OS,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-19 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/19/05, Darren Kenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At present dtlogin is the default login process, but you can change to using GDM2 if you so desire, just disable the rc*/*dtlogin scripts and enable the GDM2 service (under SMF). The easiest way of which is to do: To switch to using GDM

Re: [blastware-discuss] [osol-discuss] Re: Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-19 Thread Philip Brown
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 01:24:14PM -0500, Eric Boutilier wrote: I have to admit to knowing almost nothing about Ret Hat Inc's position (in theory or practice) on POSIX. i think its about the same as most other linux places: We'll follow POSIX as much as possible... or until we dont feel like

Re: [osol-discuss] separation of forum and mailing list

2005-07-19 Thread Mike Kupfer
Dragan Actually, the best interface would be the good old Dragan usenet. Granted, there is already usenet-like interface through Dragan gmane.org, but that one is read only. Here's the story with gmane. Currently there are 2 ways to post: either using the web fora, or via mailman.

Re: [osol-discuss] separation of forum and mailing list

2005-07-19 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Jul 19, 2005, at 8:45 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote: A lot of the traffic is in opensolaris-discuss. Would it make sense to try to move some of the traffic to topic-specific lists? +100 The traffic would decrease somewhat if people could resist to crosspost to both discuss and the specific

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Cameron
Darren: At present dtlogin is the default login process, but you can change to using GDM2 if you so desire, just disable the rc*/*dtlogin scripts and enable the GDM2 service (under SMF). Yes, we ship GDM2 with Solaris. CDE login is the default login program in Solaris. I'm not sure what

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-19 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Calum Benson wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 13:39 -0500, Eric Boutilier wrote: ... From what I'm hearing, it's more likely that vanilla community versions of the JDS components (GNOME, Mozilla etc.) will be made available under the OpenSolaris umbrella...

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-19 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Brian Cameron wrote: Yes, we ship GDM2 with Solaris. CDE login is the default login program in Solaris. I'm not sure what login you get in OpenSolaris by default. Command line.(OpenSolaris is simply the release of the Solaris ON consolidation source code so far. No X. There's also

Re: [blastware-discuss] [osol-discuss] Re: Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-19 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Philip Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 01:24:14PM -0500, Eric Boutilier wrote: I have to admit to knowing almost nothing about Ret Hat Inc's position (in theory or practice) on POSIX. i think its about the same as most other linux places: We'll follow POSIX as much

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Cameron
Alan: Yes, we ship GDM2 with Solaris. CDE login is the default login program in Solaris. I'm not sure what login you get in OpenSolaris by default. Command line.(OpenSolaris is simply the release of the Solaris ON consolidation source code so far. No X. There's also not anyone out

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-19 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was talking about the star program, I never did mention the star CLI. You wrote | The only exception star use with the SUSv2 CLI is that star does not | allow you to use 'star cf file args' when 'file' exists and is a plain | file with a size 0.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-19 Thread ken mays
--- Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Calum Benson wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 13:39 -0500, Eric Boutilier wrote: ... From what I'm hearing, it's more likely that vanilla community versions of the JDS components (GNOME, Mozilla etc.) will be made

[osol-discuss] Creating an Index for the site

2005-07-19 Thread Virginia Wray
The Gentoo Linux web site has an index page that lists all of the documentation on the site...something similar to this is what I have in mind for the OpenSolaris site. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/list.xml I haven't seen any process for submitting documentation to the OpenSolaris site. How

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and

2005-07-19 Thread David J. Orman
I'm curious what you expect to find in terms of a 'how-to' for your problem. If you don't want to use the version of bundled software that ships with Solaris, your 'on your own' to roll your own solution (as you've done) or leverage the work of others (such as blastwave, sunfreeware,

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-19 Thread Jake Hamby
The CBE we use for JDS internally is based on the pkgbuild (http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/) tool that Laca (aka Laszlo Peter, who produced pkgbuild and is also our main RE person in the JDS group in Sun). These tools work off rpm type .spec files (actually is possible to share these

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and

2005-07-19 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 03:53:52PM -0700, David J. Orman wrote: Well, I went completely through that section multiple times already, and nowhere do I see any information about installing software other than sun provided packages/third party packages, many of which I can't find! For instance,

Re: [osol-discuss] separation of forum and mailing list

2005-07-19 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Keith M Wesolowski wrote: The objective is not so much to reduce the number of posts to -discuss as to ensure that useful and important messages can be found easily. This list has so little signal that it's easier at least in the short term to move that signal elsewhere than to reduce the noise

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-19 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, you are way off. I had heard about OS fanatics but I am seeing a real one now. I have been(will always be) a solaris lover forever, but have never closed my mind to other OS's and their merits, ever. Linux has no technical or economic merit, especially now when Solaris became

RE: [osol-discuss] If a disk slice is part of mirror, can this slice be used directly?

2005-07-19 Thread Victor Feng
Daniel, A nice folk says Dumpadm probably does not recognize the /dev/md/dsk convention and unless the machine is running either Solaris 9 4/04, 9/04, or Solaris 10 and was built with a JumpStart installation that specified mirroring during the install, the partition information used was