[osol-discuss] Re: Firefox 1.5rc3 for solaris available on mozilla.org

2005-11-23 Thread Ivan Wang
Cool, thanks Sun Beijing team for keeping Firefox Solaris build updated. It already becomes my primary browser so that I can have consistent lookfeel and functionality across all OSes I run. Ivan. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

[osol-discuss] How to create /var/sadm/* info for OpenSolaris

2005-11-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Hi, if I like to create a SchilliX that is able to deal with Blastwave packages, I would need to populate the SUNW* related package database for a SchilliX installation. Is there a simple way to do this without really running pkgadd? Or is there a way to create complete SUNW* packages from the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Scott N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand that not all of Solaris has been opensourced so there will inevitably be inconsistentcies betweem the commercial ones released from Sun and any opensolaris distros. I didn't want to cut down the great efforts of Nexenta or others as I also do

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Eric Boutilier
Having a distro (or two) that is really, really different from standard Solaris is actually a very good thing to have -- as long as it's different in all the right ways. On the LugRadio, Adam Leventhal interview[1], when a LugRadio guy asks something like: I'm an Ubuntu user, should I try

Re: [osol-discuss] How to create /var/sadm/* info for OpenSolaris

2005-11-23 Thread Jeff Cheeney
On 11/23/05 05:39, Joerg Schilling wrote: Hi, if I like to create a SchilliX that is able to deal with Blastwave packages, I would need to populate the SUNW* related package database for a SchilliX installation. Is there a simple way to do this without really running pkgadd? Or is there a

Re: [osol-discuss] Role based configuration

2005-11-23 Thread Jeff Cheeney
On 11/22/05 05:52, Darren J Moffat wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 11:59, Robert Lunnon wrote: Having thought about my recent dialogue about CDROM door locking it occurs to me that we really have two different classes of users with different requirements. It then occurred to me that perhaps

[osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread UNIX admin
Even if OpenSolaris splits into countless splinters, you'll always have THE Solaris and SolarisExpress which will be consistent. As for BSDs, they haven't fragmented that much because the BSD community is proportionally very small to other groups. My suspicion is that they have a good sense

[osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread UNIX admin
As J.S. mentioned before, in the future we should expect at least 2 types of OpenSolaris-based distros: a) GNU-centric, those who trying to re-use GNU/Linux as much as possible b) Solaris-centric, those who trying to mimic Solaris as much as possible But I'm hoping that both (a) and

[osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread UNIX admin
Schilymedium age (starting in 1982). The tools are e currently in /opt/schily/* but as they are not optional on on SchilliX, it seems that they belong to /usr/schily/* in future. Just a moment. What is the reason that your tools are not optional? GNU The youngest

[osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread UNIX admin
After my initial trial with Nexenta and then finding that X was installed in non-stardard Solaris location, I have now made an effort to only support TRUE Solaris-like 'distro's' like Schillix or even better may just stick with Solaris Express for my needs (Why hasn't there been a 'distro'

[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris feature on LugRadio

2005-11-23 Thread Patrick Finch
Hi, For those interested, Adam Leventhal was interviewed on the British podcasting Linux / open source radio show LugRadio this week. He discusses OpenSolaris, and how it contrasts with Linux. You can hear the interview here: http://www.lugradio.org/ regards Patrick

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Dave Marquardt
UNIX == UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: UNIX Unfortunately, the BSD style of things, lack of wide HW driver UNIX support have kept a really solid operating system from gaining UNIX critical momentum; it's simply too exotic (OS X comes to mind!), UNIX plus SVR4 (from which BSD also stems) has

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread James Carlson
UNIX admin writes: That is unlikely to happen, although I hope that Moinak G. will make it possible. Why? Because someone who really knows and understands UNIX won't give GNU five minutes. GNU is all about the hype and brute force and none of the quality/snandards. UNIX people (and don't

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: [approach-discuss] Re: ioctl SIOCGENADDR returns ENOENT

2005-11-23 Thread Shao Wu
I was referring to SIOCGIFHWADDR or SIOCGENADDR ioctl should work for non-root users, too... well, assuming it gets implemented. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: [approach-discuss] Re: ioctl SIOCGENADDR returns ENOENT

2005-11-23 Thread Shao Wu
That is the tradition of ifconfig. arp gives you MAC addresses without being root. Programmatically, you can retrieve MAC by poking the ARP. It's a bit ugly since you have to know the IP of the nic to do that and it works for UP interfaces only. This message posted from opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Incorporating open-source cmds/libs into OpenSolaris

2005-11-23 Thread Eric Boutilier
[ Followups: _Please_ post followups only to the GNU-Solaris community list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Greetings, For disscussion purposes (comparing/contrasting), I put together this post which contains the two leading proposals for name-space conventions of open-source commands and libraries in

[osol-discuss] Third BJOSUG meeting - Dec. 3

2005-11-23 Thread Victor Hu
Hi All, The first two BJOSUG meetings are very successful. Thanks to the speakers and all folks who have attended and show interest in Beijing OpenSolaris User Group. We are honored to have Max Bruning and Mark Nelson to speak this time and will have the meeting in a conference room located

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread James Carlson
Eric Boutilier writes: [...] That's why I don't think we want all OpenSolaris-based distros to be strictly Solaris/UNIX compliant. I agree with that completely, though it doesn't quite address one of the original comments that started the email torrent. There's certainly a problem for

[osol-discuss] coding style

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Durrant
Apologies if this has been asked before... Is the Sun coding style doc. available to the opensolaris community? Given that, I presume, code taken from contributors from outside Sun still has to pass the standard ON cstyle/hdrchk stuff it would be useful to have the doc. as a reference. Paul

[osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Shao Wu
I think having different distrobutions of OpenSolaris is not a bad thing as long as each distro agrees on some basic frameworks: binary compatibilities with each other, common libraries, common kernel, common X window, common GNOME... At the user level, it shouldn't matter if someone makes a

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Shao Wu
May be he meant BSD stem from System 5. SVR4 was a result of combining System 5, BSD (SunOS 4), and some of its new develoopments On the other hand, there is only one truly successful Unix derived from SVR4, and it's Solaris. All other Unix derived from SVR4 are either RIP or in their

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Firefox 1.5rc3 for solaris available on mozilla.org

2005-11-23 Thread Jason W
You know, this is odd but my Windows version of Firefox 1.5rc3 ran an update about 3 days ago that became 1.5 Final but I have seen it mentioned nowhere and all sources show 1.5rc3 as the latest Very odd. On 11/23/05, Ivan Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool, thanks Sun Beijing team for

Re: [osol-discuss] coding style

2005-11-23 Thread James Carlson
Paul Durrant writes: Apologies if this has been asked before... Is the Sun coding style doc. available to the opensolaris community? Given that, I presume, code taken from contributors from outside Sun still has to pass the standard ON cstyle/hdrchk stuff it would be useful to have the doc.

Re: [osol-discuss] coding style

2005-11-23 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Paul Durrant [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-23 09:51]: Apologies if this has been asked before... Is the Sun coding style doc. available to the opensolaris community? Given that, I presume, code taken from contributors from outside Sun still has to pass the standard ON cstyle/hdrchk stuff it

Re: [osol-discuss] coding style

2005-11-23 Thread Casper . Dik
* Paul Durrant [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-23 09:51]: Apologies if this has been asked before... Is the Sun coding style doc. available to the opensolaris community? Given that, I presume, code taken from contributors from outside Sun still has to pass the standard ON cstyle/hdrchk stuff it

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Erast Benson
To me, it sounds like you lost the ground... Where are you? On Mars? So, how is the craters? :-) Have you ever noticed that GNU/Linux is everywhere? I'm still not so sure in bright OpenSolaris future because of 2 main non-thechnical reasons: a) mind set shift (GNU/Linux = */OpenSolaris) might

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Erast Benson wrote: In regard to (b). One simple thing SUN could do is to dual license SUN libc as GPL and CDDL. But not all the source to Sun libc is available, so releasing it under the GPL would forbid people from re-distributing it, and make it less free than the CDDL allows. --

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Erast Benson wrote: Please don't top post. Have you ever noticed that GNU/Linux is everywhere? Not here, and not on ANY computer I have a say in. a) mind set shift (GNU/Linux = */OpenSolaris) might not happen at all or will take too much time to happen and than

[osol-discuss] Re: t-shirt sad tale

2005-11-23 Thread Peter Eriksson
Got it today! *Starts breathing again* Interresting variation of my address you managed to mangle it to btw Perhaps next time make sure the mailing address printer understands UTF8? :-) /Happy Guy! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 12:23 -0800, Rich Teer wrote: a) mind set shift (GNU/Linux = */OpenSolaris) might not happen at all or will take too much time to happen and than GNU/Linux will close the I agree that the mindset shift will take time. Right. that is precisely my point gap on server

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Casper . Dik
Perhaps what he meant to say was that SVr4 comes in part from BSD. As I recall the order events: You forgot the first event: which is that Unix escaped from Bell Labs and is enhanced elsewhere, including Berkeley; BSD did include ATT materials -People at Berkeley write BSD, some of these

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Schily medium age (starting in 1982). The tools are e currently in /opt/schily/* but as they are not optional on on SchilliX, it seems that they belong to /usr/schily/* in future. Just a moment. What is the reason that your tools

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erast Benson wrote: In regard to (b). One simple thing SUN could do is to dual license SUN libc as GPL and CDDL. But not all the source to Sun libc is available, so releasing it under the GPL would forbid people from re-distributing it, and make

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Shao Wu
Clearly? If you discount the inventions done for SunOS at Sun, I don't think there's that much to show: sockets, reliable signal handling, r* commands. I thought sockets and reliable signals were originated from Berkley. Sun invented NFS, and the biggest take from SunOS were the virtual

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?

2005-11-23 Thread Casper . Dik
Clearly? If you discount the inventions done for SunOS at Sun, I don't think there's that much to show: sockets, reliable signal handling, r* commands. I thought sockets and reliable signals were originated from Berkley. Sun invented NFS, and the big gest take from SunOS were the virtual

[osol-discuss] Solaris Express DVD?

2005-11-23 Thread Takaaki Higuchi
I am a bit tired of every installation from CD images of Solaris Express, so here's my question. Do you have a plan to release Solaris Express DVD image ? Or is it easy to make a DVD image using CD images ? thanks in advance, Takaaki Higuchi ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris Express DVD?

2005-11-23 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Takaaki Higuchi wrote: Do you have a plan to release Solaris Express DVD image ? Or is it easy to make a DVD image using CD images ? If you have more than one machine, set one up as an install server. Then you don't need to burn any CDs (use lofiadm to mount the .iso

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Firefox 1.5rc3 for solaris available on mozilla.org

2005-11-23 Thread Jason W
Well I had 1.5rc3 and it said it was upgrading Strange. On 11/23/05, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 23 November 2005 09:49 am, Jason W wrote: You know, this is odd but my Windows version of Firefox 1.5rc3 ran an update about 3 days ago that became 1.5 Final but I have

[osol-discuss] Second Bangalore OpenSolaris User Group Meeting

2005-11-23 Thread Venky
Hi, The second BOSUG meeting will be held this Friday, This time, we'll have presentations on DTrace and Zones. Details: When: Friday, November 25, 2005, 6:30pm - 8pm Where: Himalay Conference Room (Ground Floor) Sun Microsystems, Divyashree Chambers, Off Langford