Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's not forget those users of HP-UX and AIX who do need to look for alternatives rather than just those of other, very much alive, Unix-like OSes, who want to broaden their horizons. So you like to set up a dictionary from hp-ux/aix/ to Solaris? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
My fear in tragetting Linux explicitly for migration like this is the name is an enduring hostile act just towards Linux. I prefer immigrants - nothing to stop it focussing just on the Penguinistas under that banner for now. Exactly my argument; my +1 is conditional on not including linux on the name. Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
Understood. I'm thinking about people migrating from Linux, but rather, present Linux users. I think that an obvious starting place for a Linux user who visits OpenSolaris.org but does not consider themselves an immigrant might be a good idea. So I was not suggesting a hostile act, but a no-strings welcome mat for the agnostic and the interested Linux user. Saying that, it sounds like a different idea to the opportunity you see here, and it probabaly isn't a good idea to do both as it would cause a lot of confusion, so I am happy to retract. regards Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My fear in tragetting Linux explicitly for migration like this is the name is an enduring hostile act just towards Linux. I prefer immigrants - nothing to stop it focussing just on the Penguinistas under that banner for now. Exactly my argument; my +1 is conditional on not including linux on the name. Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
I propose OPENsolaris-migrants. more of it no focus where they actually come from.We also want to encourage Windows users as well is not that ? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Adam Leventhal wrote: There seems to be at least a loose concensus that this would be a useful community. Any +1 votes from the CAB? +1 Great initiative Adam! Adam On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 10:16:01AM -0700, Adam Leventhal wrote: One barrier when adopting a new operating system is the lack of familiarity with the local customs and traditions. With one's old operating system one accomplished a given task a certain way, but on foreign soil that knowledge has to be enhanced or at least augmented with the corresponding OpenSolaris methology. I'm hoping to create a community of users familiar with Linux who are interested in or have adopted OpenSolaris. My hope is that this community will be make the transition easier for themselves and others by answering the common questions (e.g. ln -s truss strace), _and_ will be a resource for people working on OpenSolaris to understand -- and address -- the comparative advantages and disavantages. Perhaps this should be a broader Immigrant (or Refugee?) community with sub-communities for the operating systems of origin (Linux, *BSD, Windows, BeOS, Amiga, etc.). I personally will find this tremendously useful as an OpenSolaris developer as I'm often curious about how other operating systems work, but don't have enough experience with them to feel that I can evaluate them fairly. Thanks. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Adam Leventhal wrote: There seems to be at least a loose concensus that this would be a useful community. Any +1 votes from the CAB? +1 +1 Absolutely agree. I think we should also be open for those in exile such as South Koreans who may seen be exiled from Windows :-) Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-03 08:46]: On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Adam Leventhal wrote: There seems to be at least a loose concensus that this would be a useful community. Any +1 votes from the CAB? +1 +1 Absolutely agree. I think we should also be open for those in exile such as South Koreans who may seen be exiled from Windows :-) Now that the community creation process has been satisfied, we'll get this community established. Based on my reading of the thread, this is the immigrants community. Or is it linux-immigrants still? Adam? - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
In my opinion, a big part of the value of this community will be that it helps to explain the relevance of OpenSolaris to the wider Linux community. Extending the scope beyond Linux immigrants could threaten that. Patrick Stephen Hahn wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-03 08:46]: On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Adam Leventhal wrote: There seems to be at least a loose concensus that this would be a useful community. Any +1 votes from the CAB? +1 +1 Absolutely agree. I think we should also be open for those in exile such as South Koreans who may seen be exiled from Windows :-) Now that the community creation process has been satisfied, we'll get this community established. Based on my reading of the thread, this is the immigrants community. Or is it linux-immigrants still? Adam? - Stephen ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 09:06:34AM -0800, Stephen Hahn wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-03 08:46]: On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Adam Leventhal wrote: There seems to be at least a loose concensus that this would be a useful community. Any +1 votes from the CAB? +1 +1 Absolutely agree. I think we should also be open for those in exile such as South Koreans who may seen be exiled from Windows :-) Now that the community creation process has been satisfied, we'll get this community established. Based on my reading of the thread, this is the immigrants community. Or is it linux-immigrants still? Stephen, I'd like this to be linux-immigrants with the understanding that freebsd-immigrants and others might not be far behind and that they may some day all fall under the umbrella of a larger immigrant community. But, as Patrick Finch suggested, starting with the more specific version might be the best way to grow interest in the linux-immigrant community and later in other immigrant communities. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
In my opinion, a big part of the value of this community will be that it helps to explain the relevance of OpenSolaris to the wider Linux community. Extending the scope beyond Linux immigrants could threaten that. wider Linux comminity? I think the value of OpenSolaris does not derive from external factors but rather from inner strength; as such, I find linux immigrants too limiting and perhaps also can be seen to lend to those who see OpenSolaris as a purely defensive, window dressing, move. Let's not forget those users of HP-UX and AIX who do need to look for alternatives rather than just those of other, very much alive, Unix-like OSes, who want to broaden their horizons. Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
Just to clarify: I'm don't mean the value of OpenSolaris as a whole (!), but the value of a specific discussion group within OpenSolaris.org. When I talk about a wider audience, I mean that there are a lot of people who have little or no consciousness of OpenSolaris or any of its distributions, but are very interested in open source and very much alive Unix-like OSes. I don't intend to exclude the needy with my comment though, so maybe Linux-immigrant is too narrow a conception. Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, a big part of the value of this community will be that it helps to explain the relevance of OpenSolaris to the wider Linux community. Extending the scope beyond Linux immigrants could threaten that. wider Linux comminity? I think the value of OpenSolaris does not derive from external factors but rather from inner strength; as such, I find linux immigrants too limiting and perhaps also can be seen to lend to those who see OpenSolaris as a purely defensive, window dressing, move. Let's not forget those users of HP-UX and AIX who do need to look for alternatives rather than just those of other, very much alive, Unix-like OSes, who want to broaden their horizons. Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
* Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-03 09:36]: On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 09:06:34AM -0800, Stephen Hahn wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-03 08:46]: On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Adam Leventhal wrote: There seems to be at least a loose concensus that this would be a useful community. Any +1 votes from the CAB? +1 +1 Absolutely agree. I think we should also be open for those in exile such as South Koreans who may seen be exiled from Windows :-) Now that the community creation process has been satisfied, we'll get this community established. Based on my reading of the thread, this is the immigrants community. Or is it linux-immigrants still? I'd like this to be linux-immigrants with the understanding that freebsd-immigrants and others might not be far behind and that they may some day all fall under the umbrella of a larger immigrant community. But, as Patrick Finch suggested, starting with the more specific version might be the best way to grow interest in the linux-immigrant community and later in other immigrant communities. Okay. Derek and I will spend a few minutes thinking about how we might deal with a futura umbrella immigrants community but, and anticipating Adam's investment of energy, we'll get linux-immigrants set up. Let's make sure the immigration team stays in touch with the user groups community and the folks on opensolaris-help. Cheers Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
My fear in tragetting Linux explicitly for migration like this is the name is an enduring hostile act just towards Linux. I prefer immigrants - nothing to stop it focussing just on the Penguinistas under that banner for now. S. On Nov 3, 2005, at 09:28, Patrick Finch wrote: In my opinion, a big part of the value of this community will be that it helps to explain the relevance of OpenSolaris to the wider Linux community. Extending the scope beyond Linux immigrants could threaten that. Patrick Stephen Hahn wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-03 08:46]: On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Adam Leventhal wrote: There seems to be at least a loose concensus that this would be a useful community. Any +1 votes from the CAB? +1 +1 Absolutely agree. I think we should also be open for those in exile such as South Koreans who may seen be exiled from Windows :-) Now that the community creation process has been satisfied, we'll get this community established. Based on my reading of the thread, this is the immigrants community. Or is it linux-immigrants still? Adam? - Stephen ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On 10/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Adam,* Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] [051027 20:16]: One barrier when adopting a new operating system is the lack of familiarity with the local customs and traditions. With one's old operating system one accomplished a given task a certain way, but on foreign soil that knowledge has to be enhanced or at least augmented with the corresponding OpenSolaris methology. ... _and_ will be a resource for people working on OpenSolaris to understand -- and address -- the comparative advantages and disavantages.I'm an linux imagrant too, but since using Solaris at home and at worki'm used to its odditys. I had a lot fun learning a new os-design. Myproblem is actually that I don't know for what reason its that way. e.g. Why is /home under /export/home and why does /export exist?and I don't like to hear the answer: Because it is!Giving reasons for the differences creates more understanding. just my 0.001 cent that is explained in my blog entry http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2005/02/youre-never-far-from-home.html including information on how to set it up for sharing on linux and servers. James Dickens uadmin.blogspot.com AdamOttoBookmarks: http://del.icio.us/sigsegv jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]wiki/blog: http://jotpee.de/blog___opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: adopted OpenSolaris. My hope is that this community will be make the transition easier for themselves and others by answering the common questions (e.g. ln -s truss strace), _and_ will be a resource for people working on OpenSolaris to understand -- and address -- the comparative advantages and disavantages. This looks like not trying to integrate them but letting them create their own dirstrict... Just check e.g. for /usr/sbin/strace :-) and you will see that this may be similar to letting people from England drive at the left side of the road. Perhaps this should be a broader Immigrant (or Refugee?) community with sub-communities for the operating systems of origin (Linux, *BSD, Windows, BeOS, Amiga, etc.). If it is based on the idea of giving help, it makes sense. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
stephen o'grady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one of the things that i've proposed before [1], which would when attempting the jump from Linux to OpenSolaris, would be some sort of Linux = Solaris Rosetta Stone. http://bhami.com/rosetta.html A bit oldbut available. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:02:51PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: adopted OpenSolaris. My hope is that this community will be make the transition easier for themselves and others by answering the common questions (e.g. ln -s truss strace), _and_ will be a resource for people working on OpenSolaris to understand -- and address -- the comparative advantages and disavantages. Just check e.g. for /usr/sbin/strace :-) and you will see that this may be similar to letting people from England drive at the left side of the road. To be clear, the suggestion to create a symlink was not in earnest. This is not about fragmenting OpenSolaris, it's about easing transition and understanding the differences. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 09:07 -0700, Adam Leventhal wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:32:42PM +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: I'm not sure it's so urgent that we need to have a temporary solution. Let's make the community, start the discussion and then build the wiki as a result of that discussion. Ok - sounds sane enough. Does this fall under the Approachability community in any way? I suppose we could shoe horn it in, but it seems like an odd fit and it will probably a community which will grow in an entirely different direction. It's not about making Solaris easier to use in itself or even making it more like Linux (or whatever), it's about understanding how the other half lives. Nice idea overall. But I saw FAQ somewhere on the net, shouldn't it be enough for Linux immigrants? I mean what else this community would like to resolve besides talks around this FAQ? Linux immmigrants most likely will be redirected to GNU/Solaris forums, wiki, blogs or mailing lists sooner or later. Since GNU/Solaris not just a talks, it is a real solution. my 3.14 cents. Erast ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 09:28:56AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: Nice idea overall. But I saw FAQ somewhere on the net, shouldn't it be enough for Linux immigrants? I mean what else this community would like to resolve besides talks around this FAQ? As I said in my initial mail, this isn't just to build a FAQ, but to provide a forum for people working on OpenSolaris to understand how Linux and other operating systems work. Linux immmigrants most likely will be redirected to GNU/Solaris forums, wiki, blogs or mailing lists sooner or later. Since GNU/Solaris not just a talks, it is a real solution. That community has an entirely different charter that what I've proposed. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
one of the things that i've proposed before [1], which would when attempting the jump from Linux to OpenSolaris, would be some sort of Linux = Solaris Rosetta Stone. i.e., a document that tells me that what rc-update show will do for me in Gentoo, svcs -a will give me in Solaris. these things aren't hard to discover necessarily, but when you run into one after another during install they can, in aggregate, be frustrating. as Adam says, it's a potential barrier to entry for the Linux crowd. seems like a perfect opportunity for a wiki, IMO. - sog [1] http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/000831.html On 10/27/05, Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One barrier when adopting a new operating system is the lack of familiarity with the local customs and traditions. With one's old operating system one accomplished a given task a certain way, but on foreign soil that knowledge has to be enhanced or at least augmented with the corresponding OpenSolaris methology. I'm hoping to create a community of users familiar with Linux who are interested in or have adopted OpenSolaris. My hope is that this community will be make the transition easier for themselves and others by answering the common questions (e.g. ln -s truss strace), _and_ will be a resource for people working on OpenSolaris to understand -- and address -- the comparative advantages and disavantages. Perhaps this should be a broader Immigrant (or Refugee?) community with sub-communities for the operating systems of origin (Linux, *BSD, Windows, BeOS, Amiga, etc.). I personally will find this tremendously useful as an OpenSolaris developer as I'm often curious about how other operating systems work, but don't have enough experience with them to feel that I can evaluate them fairly. Thanks. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
Speaking of Rosetta Stones, there is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html, but I'm not sure how up to date it is. Stephen's idea of a wiki page would give us something that is easy to keep up to date and easy to add details to as we discover a new item. tom stephen o'grady writes: one of the things that i've proposed before [1], which would when attempting the jump from Linux to OpenSolaris, would be some sort of Linux = Solaris Rosetta Stone. i.e., a document that tells me that what rc-update show will do for me in Gentoo, svcs -a will give me in Solaris. these things aren't hard to discover necessarily, but when you run into one after another during install they can, in aggregate, be frustrating. as Adam says, it's a potential barrier to entry for the Linux crowd. seems like a perfect opportunity for a wiki, IMO. - sog [1] http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/000831.html On 10/27/05, Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One barrier when adopting a new operating system is the lack of familiarity with the local customs and traditions. With one's old operating system one accomplished a given task a certain way, but on foreign soil that knowledge has to be enhanced or at least augmented with the corresponding OpenSolaris methology. I'm hoping to create a community of users familiar with Linux who are interested in or have adopted OpenSolaris. My hope is that this community will be make the transition easier for themselves and others by answering the common questions (e.g. ln -s truss strace), _and_ will be a resource for people working on OpenSolaris to understand -- and address -- the comparative advantages and disavantages. Perhaps this should be a broader Immigrant (or Refugee?) community with sub-communities for the operating systems of origin (Linux, *BSD, Windows, BeOS, Amiga, etc.). I personally will find this tremendously useful as an OpenSolaris developer as I'm often curious about how other operating systems work, but don't have enough experience with them to feel that I can evaluate them fairly. Thanks. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
Lets just return the killall command to it's Solaris 7 functionality shall we? (evil grin) On 10/27/05, Tom Whitten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Rosetta Stones, there is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html, but I'm not sure how up to date it is. Stephen's idea of a wiki page would give us something that is easy to keep up to date and easy to add details to as we discover a new item. tom stephen o'grady writes: one of the things that i've proposed before [1], which would when attempting the jump from Linux to OpenSolaris, would be some sort of Linux = Solaris Rosetta Stone. i.e., a document that tells me that what rc-update show will do for me in Gentoo, svcs -a will give me in Solaris. these things aren't hard to discover necessarily, but when you run into one after another during install they can, in aggregate, be frustrating. as Adam says, it's a potential barrier to entry for the Linux crowd. seems like a perfect opportunity for a wiki, IMO. - sog [1] http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/000831.html On 10/27/05, Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One barrier when adopting a new operating system is the lack of familiarity with the local customs and traditions. With one's old operating system one accomplished a given task a certain way, but on foreign soil that knowledge has to be enhanced or at least augmented with the corresponding OpenSolaris methology. I'm hoping to create a community of users familiar with Linux who are interested in or have adopted OpenSolaris. My hope is that this community will be make the transition easier for themselves and others by answering the common questions (e.g. ln -s truss strace), _and_ will be a resource for people working on OpenSolaris to understand -- and address -- the comparative advantages and disavantages. Perhaps this should be a broader Immigrant (or Refugee?) community with sub-communities for the operating systems of origin (Linux, *BSD, Windows, BeOS, Amiga, etc.). I personally will find this tremendously useful as an OpenSolaris developer as I'm often curious about how other operating systems work, but don't have enough experience with them to feel that I can evaluate them fairly. Thanks. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Agreed, it would wonderful to have a wiki which would act as a repository for this information, and the community would drive the questions and the content creation on the wiki. Adam On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:40:23AM -0600, Tom Whitten wrote: Speaking of Rosetta Stones, there is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html, but I'm not sure how up to date it is. Stephen's idea of a wiki page would give us something that is easy to keep up to date and easy to add details to as we discover a new item. tom stephen o'grady writes: one of the things that i've proposed before [1], which would when attempting the jump from Linux to OpenSolaris, would be some sort of Linux = Solaris Rosetta Stone. i.e., a document that tells me that what rc-update show will do for me in Gentoo, svcs -a will give me in Solaris. these things aren't hard to discover necessarily, but when you run into one after another during install they can, in aggregate, be frustrating. as Adam says, it's a potential barrier to entry for the Linux crowd. seems like a perfect opportunity for a wiki, IMO. - sog [1] http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/000831.html On 10/27/05, Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One barrier when adopting a new operating system is the lack of familiarity with the local customs and traditions. With one's old operating system one accomplished a given task a certain way, but on foreign soil that knowledge has to be enhanced or at least augmented with the corresponding OpenSolaris methology. I'm hoping to create a community of users familiar with Linux who are interested in or have adopted OpenSolaris. My hope is that this community will be make the transition easier for themselves and others by answering the common questions (e.g. ln -s truss strace), _and_ will be a resource for people working on OpenSolaris to understand -- and address -- the comparative advantages and disavantages. Perhaps this should be a broader Immigrant (or Refugee?) community with sub-communities for the operating systems of origin (Linux, *BSD, Windows, BeOS, Amiga, etc.). I personally will find this tremendously useful as an OpenSolaris developer as I'm often curious about how other operating systems work, but don't have enough experience with them to feel that I can evaluate them fairly. Thanks. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
AFAIK, Sun owns the opensolariswiki.org and .com domains: Domain ID:D106975532-LROR Domain Name:OPENSOLARISWIKI.ORG Created On:22-Jul-2005 16:58:56 UTC Last Updated On:21-Sep-2005 03:57:57 UTC Expiration Date:22-Jul-2010 16:58:56 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR) Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Registrant ID:6151009-NSI Registrant Name:Sun Microsystems, Inc. Registrant Organization:Sun Microsystems, Inc. Registrant Street1:4150 Network Circle Domain Name: OPENSOLARISWIKI.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Sun Microsystems, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4150 Network Circle Santa Clara, CA 95054 US 312 554 7961 fax: 650 336 6623 those'd be good places to start, methinks. - sog On 10/27/05, Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, it would wonderful to have a wiki which would act as a repository for this information, and the community would drive the questions and the content creation on the wiki. Adam On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:40:23AM -0600, Tom Whitten wrote: Speaking of Rosetta Stones, there is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html, but I'm not sure how up to date it is. Stephen's idea of a wiki page would give us something that is easy to keep up to date and easy to add details to as we discover a new item. tom stephen o'grady writes: one of the things that i've proposed before [1], which would when attempting the jump from Linux to OpenSolaris, would be some sort of Linux = Solaris Rosetta Stone. i.e., a document that tells me that what rc-update show will do for me in Gentoo, svcs -a will give me in Solaris. these things aren't hard to discover necessarily, but when you run into one after another during install they can, in aggregate, be frustrating. as Adam says, it's a potential barrier to entry for the Linux crowd. seems like a perfect opportunity for a wiki, IMO. - sog [1] http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/000831.html On 10/27/05, Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One barrier when adopting a new operating system is the lack of familiarity with the local customs and traditions. With one's old operating system one accomplished a given task a certain way, but on foreign soil that knowledge has to be enhanced or at least augmented with the corresponding OpenSolaris methology. I'm hoping to create a community of users familiar with Linux who are interested in or have adopted OpenSolaris. My hope is that this community will be make the transition easier for themselves and others by answering the common questions (e.g. ln -s truss strace), _and_ will be a resource for people working on OpenSolaris to understand -- and address -- the comparative advantages and disavantages. Perhaps this should be a broader Immigrant (or Refugee?) community with sub-communities for the operating systems of origin (Linux, *BSD, Windows, BeOS, Amiga, etc.). I personally will find this tremendously useful as an OpenSolaris developer as I'm often curious about how other operating systems work, but don't have enough experience with them to feel that I can evaluate them fairly. Thanks. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On Thursday 27 October 2005 10:16 am, Adam Leventhal wrote: Perhaps this should be a broader Immigrant (or Refugee?) community with sub-communities for the operating systems of origin (Linux, *BSD, Windows, BeOS, Amiga, etc.). This is an excellent idea! I would make it generic as in Immigrants, not to infer any other specific environment, since as you point out they can be immigrants from a lot of various places. +1 -- Alan DuBoff - Sun Microsystems Solaris x86 Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:07:37AM +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: I'd suggest that maybe we throw up something temporarily on genunix so we can concentrate on the content. Queue 'what wiki' discussion I'm not sure it's so urgent that we need to have a temporary solution. Let's make the community, start the discussion and then build the wiki as a result of that discussion. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 16:26 -0700, Adam Leventhal wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:07:37AM +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: I'd suggest that maybe we throw up something temporarily on genunix so we can concentrate on the content. Queue 'what wiki' discussion I'm not sure it's so urgent that we need to have a temporary solution. Let's make the community, start the discussion and then build the wiki as a result of that discussion. Ok - sounds sane enough. Does this fall under the Approachability community in any way? Glynn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
http://wiki.opensolaris.org sure, whatever works. I'd suggest that maybe we throw up something temporarily on genunix so we can concentrate on the content. Queue 'what wiki' discussion mediawiki seems to be the platform of choice for a great many technically astute folks, and is a snap to set up in my experience. but either way, i'm favor of whatever's quickest. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community proposal: Linux Immigrants
On 10/27/05, Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [elided] Perhaps this should be a broader Immigrant (or Refugee?) community with sub-communities for the operating systems of origin (Linux, *BSD,Windows, BeOS, Amiga, etc.).I personally will find this tremendously useful as an OpenSolaris developeras I'm often curious about how other operating systems work, but don't have enough experience with them to feel that I can evaluate them fairly.Thanks.Adam You didn't ask for, but here it comes - a home-made cross reference between AIX and Solaris ;) I've been doing AIX support for many years. When I started playing with Solaris at free time, I decided to maintain a how to do it in Solaris reference for myself. With the intent to share with others later, I made it more like a cross reference between the two OSs, and plan to add corresponding resources from Linux and BSD in the future. Now open the attached HTML file, you will see the content and the way they're organized are different from Bruce's http://bhami.com/rosetta.html (which is a remarkable effort). I group the resources into different system/kernel components. Each component is a separate HTML table, has links to official documentation, then resources for separate tasks. You can see I collected lots of blogs from you guys. Warning: this is a Valid HTML 4.01 Strict file, which means I.E. doesn't display it correctly ;-) Please use firefox/mozilla to see the fixed-position menu correctly. Now that I throw this out, I hope some of you find it useful, (even though AIX doesn't seem to be popular w/ this crowd ;) I am going to maintain it, at least for myself. I think some work need to be done before it reaches broader audience. Apparently I've been mostly collecting Solaris resources that I left many AIX parts unfilled. I don't mind people using the content in anyway, changing the format, putting it in your own work, whatever. However I certainly hope it can be a cooperative effort from now on. I like the wiki idea, but have no experience with it. So let me know if you're interested in making it a more useful resource, how do you want to do it and where do we put it (I don't have a webserver). Last but not least, I'd like to see Adam's great proposal evolves into something useful for all the *nix users/developers, going all directions, not just a migration guide from A to B or a flame-baiting comparison between A and B. If some of you hold a different view, that's fine, in the end this is an OpenSolaris community :) Cheers, Tao Title: Unix Cross Reference Last Updated: 10/25/2005 Top Document Kernel DevMgr DevDrv Kext LoaderLinker VMM Java Package Patch Thread Compiler Trace Dump dbx NFS Collect Boot Performance Partition Filesystem Syscall Assembly Header iSCSI Install Container Audit Firmware proc_thrd 10/27/2005 Documentation Home AIX 5.x Solaris 10 Index 5.3 Commands Reference 5.2 Commands Reference Solaris 10 User Commands System Administration Commands Kernel Kernel Data Model (32bit/64bit) bootinfo -K isainfo -b Kernel Debugger KDB kernel debugger and kdb command mdb(Modular Debugger) DTrace Device Management CPU Model lsdev -Cc processor lsattr -El proc# psrinfo -v PCI Devices lsdev -Cc [adapter|bus|...]lscfglsparent prtconf -pv prtpci (Dan Mick) Device Driver Documentation Kernel Extensions and Device Support Programming Concepts Device Driver Tutorial Reference [B] Devfs and the Devid Cache Interrupt [B] Hardware interrupts overview on x86 platforms Kernel Module/Extension List genkex modinfo Loader & Linker Documentation XCOFF Object File Format Shared Objects and Runtime Linking AIX Linking and Loading Mechanisms (pdf) Chapter 2 - Compiling and linking Linker and Libraries Guide Reference [B] Rod Evans's Weblog [B] new linker/loader hardware capabilities support Build Library [B] How to build a Shared Library (Michael Walker) Library search path(build-in) dump -Hv tc dump -Lvp tc| grep RUNPATH Library search path(environment) LIBPATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH compatibility is added in 53D LD_LIBRARY_PATH Directories Searched by the Runtime Linker Directories Searched bythe Link-Editor &the Runtime Linker See Compiler section List dependencies &Symbol Table dump # dump -HTv tc dump # dump -Lv tc | grep NEEDED # dump -tv tc elfdump ldd [B] Loading Multiple Files - same name, different directories Loaded Objects (kdb) lle [-k | -l32 | -l64 | -a addr] [-p slot] [-A] [-v] # echo "::objects" | mdb -p [pid] Finding Symbol [B] Finding Symbols - reducing dlsym() overhead VMM Documentation Program Address Space Overview Performance Overview of the VMM Reference [B] x86 32 bit virtual address space [C]startup.c - 32-bit Kernel's Virtual memory layout [C]startup.c - 64-bit Kernel's Virtual memory layout.
