Re: [opensource-dev] Problem with displaying Arabic menu text in SL client

2010-10-07 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Have you looked at Icesphere in order to render Arabic text? These mainly work in text chat, as the chat gets automatically translated and rendered properly. Since the windows are detached in Icesphere, the menu text would be based upon your system settings. Let me know if you have any more

Re: [opensource-dev] Offlist replies + Posting Policies and Guidelines

2010-08-08 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Opensource, I understand what you mean, yet also take in account the angle of open source intelligence. It's almost exponential the amount of time people approach the same desired change to what has been made open source over and over. It's bankable. That's where I forced to schedule my

Re: [opensource-dev] Offlist replies + Posting Policies and Guidelines

2010-08-08 Thread Dzonatas Sol
furiously like the gibberish that some so called A.I. bots produce... If I were you, guys, I'd just stop feeding the bot, lol ! As for me, the bot's email is now part of my spam filter... On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 10:22:12 -0700, Dzonatas Sol wrote: Opensource, I understand what you mean, yet also

Re: [opensource-dev] Offlist replies + Posting Policies and Guidelines

2010-08-08 Thread Dzonatas Sol
More like, as all the physicist at CERN in the loop, it was asked What could possible go wrong? Their problem, they never thought in the reciprocal of the finite, so they assume the infinite didn't exist. Some wondered, even if someone finds the impossible dream, what more could you ask for?

Re: [opensource-dev] V2.X V1.X support on the same machine

2010-08-07 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Dzonatas Sol wrote: They've had an adult grid that is suppose to be fast, easy,... and fun. They've had an teen grid that is suppose to be ... easy... fast... clean? Sincerely, ___ Life I believe I found a solution. The svn code should be for only kids... even people who

Re: [opensource-dev] 1.4 Showstopper: SNOW-799

2010-08-07 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Hi, I had to think about what what untamed HTTP textures could do on the teen. /. had this article to say today: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/08/06/150216/Child-Porn-As-a-Weapon /Want to get rid of your boss and move up to his position? Put kiddie porn on his computer then call the cops!

Re: [opensource-dev] V2.X V1.X support on the same machine

2010-08-06 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Opensource Obscure wrote: By the way, one can check if she got all list messages through the archives, that can be found by following the links in the footer. Opensource Obscure I would also suggest to read Google's policy and term and conditions very carefully. If anybody can

[opensource-dev] Fixing the Assets

2010-08-06 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Here is the proposal, as a routine. The written logical explanation in English with normalized words defeats the purpose of the routine for every reason that supports it. Got to put a face on it: Store timestamp by UUID. Keep secondary UUID to XOR with every second. Doesn't matter if timestamp

Re: [opensource-dev] Fixing the Assets

2010-08-06 Thread Dzonatas Sol
If Linden Labs implements this much and Google thinks it is clean, then maybe I'll smile again and show how to do folded execution... and how to earn the money. US open source no-engineers aren't fools. We love magic, however. Dzonatas Sol wrote: Here is the proposal, as a routine

[opensource-dev] V2.X V1.X support on the same machine

2010-08-05 Thread Dzonatas Sol
I can't keep secrets, so I get blackboxed. It bugs me there are perfect, or almost perfect, programs that just need to be turned around in a way. Too many people are stuck in a paradigm that to even think about it would create a paradox to them. Is that the meaning of paradyme in motion? I

[opensource-dev] Performance: 100%-150% increase in rendering

2010-08-03 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Hi, I believe I found another solution. In my research as I optimized graphics routines in the viewer, I achieved between 100% to 150% increase in rendering performance. To be fair, I reported as up to 100%. There overall frame loop has many tasks, so keep that in mind that overall

Re: [opensource-dev] Performance: 100%-150% increase in rendering

2010-08-03 Thread Dzonatas Sol
someone that wants... heh... BURN... love it! Oh let's share this one... LMAO P.S. Working On It 2.0... Dzonatas Sol wrote: Hi, I believe I found another solution. In my research as I optimized graphics routines in the viewer, I achieved between 100% to 150% increase

Re: [opensource-dev] Performance: 100%-150% increase in rendering

2010-08-03 Thread Dzonatas Sol
with that idea and catch-up... because we didn't have to change it. Nexii Malthus wrote: ..What? - Nexii On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Dzonatas Sol dzona...@gmail.com mailto:dzona...@gmail.com wrote: Was just thinking of a secondary proof to this. This should be helpful

[opensource-dev] Image Recognition

2010-08-02 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Hi, I caught the tweet from Pamela Fox @ Google, and she linked a development for image recognization: http://developer.iqengines.com/ What stood out was how a UUID was included and some sort of description present. It's not gesture recognition through motion, yet even I can think of how this

[opensource-dev] SNOW-774 Bad LLMultiGesture version (SG2.0 works, SG2.1 errors)

2010-07-28 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Hi, I have an issue I want to resolve. http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-774 This message I notice from time to time in the error log. You have probably noticed the message Unable to load gesture where gesture is one of many you have activated. There has been some change made between

Re: [opensource-dev] Build notices missing change data??

2010-07-24 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Do you mean the commit log? http://svn.secondlife.com/trac/linden/log/projects Robert Martin wrote: Is there any way to see what changed from build to build?? also does it seem like the build farm is triggering way to many times a day?? -- --- https://twitter.com/Dzonatas_Sol --- Web

Re: [opensource-dev] Merges Builds

2010-07-20 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Philippe (Merov) Bossut wrote: Cc-ing all list members as it is of general concern. Thank you Philippe for your several hours of work on this merge for 2.1. I can see there are a lot of changes since 2.0. Only if people could see statistics displayed on the UI, like one of those per source

Re: [opensource-dev] Enabling Right-To-Left Glyphs for Windows

2010-07-15 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Thanks to Nicky Perian, we now have a Snowglobe-375 release for Windows Available here for download: http://code.google.com/p/icesphere/downloads/list This is for SNOW-375 version 0.10.2.0. Setup for Icesphere is separate, yet maybe easier one day. Dzonatas Sol wrote: Until there is full

[opensource-dev] Enabling Right-To-Left Glyphs for Windows

2010-07-14 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Until there is full bidi support built-in to the viewer, I've suggested for users to try Icesphere to allow them to type right-to-left. There is already a language barrier in being able to communicate what needs to be done. I'm being asked for a Windows build of Snowglobe with the SNOW-375

Re: [opensource-dev] icesphere

2010-07-07 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Hi, Here is the new site: http://icyspherical.blogspot.com And, you can follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/Dzonatas_Sol Slowly have gotten this organized more over last few months. If things continue as they are now I should be able to be more active again. Robert Martin wrote:

Re: [opensource-dev] Migrating open development focus to 2.x

2010-05-27 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Hi Oz, There has been discussion in AWG and other various chat moments of what could be done. The primary suggestions seems to be able to hide the UI, but that doesn't mean it needs to be disabled. There is a debug option, CTRL-ALT-F1, that basically hides the UI, yet the mouse regions are

Re: [opensource-dev] client-side physics and general relativity

2010-04-16 Thread Dzonatas Sol
it is for them to change. On 16/04/2010 2:57 PM, Dzonatas Sol wrote: I want to share a use-case/concept for physic simulation where the client and sever wouldn't have to send object updates, or at least there wouldn't be as many updates needed to send from the sim to the client. Given we can

Re: [opensource-dev] client-side physics and general relativity

2010-04-16 Thread Dzonatas Sol
on anything, and animations do not affect what the avatar collides with, avatars got a static bounding box and that is it On 16/4/2010 10:45, Dzonatas Sol wrote: That's true for the case of non-static objects. We could, however, predict how fast an object changes and negotiate that limit

Re: [opensource-dev] client-side physics and general relativity

2010-04-16 Thread Dzonatas Sol
wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 visually impaired people would still need to know if the door is open, if the trolley is on the station, if someone bumped into them etc On 16/4/2010 12:48, Dzonatas Sol wrote: I don't think you thought through all cases. Consider blind

Re: [opensource-dev] Ironpython (was: Requesting Linden Response: Please move TPVP Topics to a different mailing list)

2010-04-14 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Compare this list to here: http://lists.ironpython.com/pipermail/users-ironpython.com Although stated as a combined user/dev list and open to related DLR/CLR discussion...: http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ... the signal to noise, on that mail-list, remains much

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV next Tuesday (4/13)

2010-04-10 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Hi Joe, In case I don't make the Brown Bag, I just wanted to point out the fact that simply developers, which includes how Linden Lab has invested resources to sustain such world, don't share a view with users that Virtual Reality that Virtual Reality is not just a game. This realization is

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV next Tuesday (4/13)

2010-04-10 Thread Dzonatas Sol
a horror movie is playing, that baby analogy didn't quite work On 10/4/2010 14:14, Dzonatas Sol wrote: Hi Joe, In case I don't make the Brown Bag, I just wanted to point out the fact that simply developers, which includes how Linden Lab has invested resources to sustain such world, don't

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

2010-04-08 Thread Dzonatas Sol
I got it to compile to the secondlife-bin link stage, but then I got a link error: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/libSM.so: undefined reference to `uuid_gener...@uuid_1.0' /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/libSM.so: undefined reference to

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

2010-04-08 Thread Dzonatas Sol
to have the build script download the prebuilt libs when they dont get used? bye, LC Am Donnerstag 08 April 2010 schrieb Dzonatas Sol: I got it to compile to the secondlife-bin link stage, but then I got a link error: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/libSM.so

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

2010-04-07 Thread Dzonatas Sol
I just checked out revision 3313 from https://svn.secondlife.com/svn/linden/projects/2010/snowglobe/trunk After plain ./develop.py with no options , i got an error $ make [ 0%] Built target cmake [ 0%] Built target llaudio [ 3%] Built target stage_third_party_libs [ 3%] Built target

Re: [opensource-dev] A note on preserving NO WARRANTY for SL TPV developers

2010-03-31 Thread Dzonatas Sol
was altered, it was still their code at the core and by the TPVP agreed to take on that liability. Ron Festa Virtual Worlds Admin Division of Continuing Studies at Rutgers University PGP key: http://bit.ly/b1ZyhY Phone: 732-474-8583 On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Dzonatas Sol dzona

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

2010-03-30 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Iceweasel crashes when attempts are made to post any message in the forums. It happens as soon as the javascript editor loads. Nyx Linden wrote: Forums for discussing multi-wearables and related issues can be found here:

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extendingavatarwearables

2010-03-26 Thread Dzonatas Sol
+1 A 'change type' feature isn't needed for this project. Nyx's proposed category layout can override the type as old types are just hints. Possible with an ability to just drag-n-drop a wearable between categories. The proposed outfit list would allow more for arbitrary lists that wouldn't

Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy: commencement date

2010-03-25 Thread Dzonatas Sol
It's obvious the TPV is directed at sources and distributors that do not conform to specifications as implemented/documented by the GPL code in Snowglobe. If you implement a third-party network protocol, it probably would be of benefit to you to to publish how your version of the network

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extendingavatar wearables

2010-03-25 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Kitty wrote: If someone sells a full-top + high pants combination they wouldn't have to struggle with defining which shirt layer goes on top of which other one by messing with numbers - since those will still result in conflicts with what it's being worn in combination with - but you just

Re: [opensource-dev] [META] Communication tools

2010-03-23 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Boroondas Gupte wrote: On 03/23/2010 06:12 AM, Philippe (Merov) Bossut wrote: - Mailing list: may be the most widely used tool. The problem I see with it is that it mixes everything: small requests, long discussions, policies, technicalities, etc... Other FLOSS projects use a variety of

Re: [opensource-dev] 32 bit Official viewer 2 beta, Snowglobe binary (rev 3229) does't run 'out of the box'

2010-03-23 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Robin Cornelius wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Dzonatas Sol dzona...@gmail.com wrote: I found a workable solution. $ mkdir /tmp/extralibs $ wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gdbm/libgdbm3_1.8.3-3_i386.deb $ wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tcp

Re: [opensource-dev] Moving forward with open development

2010-03-21 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Ambroff Linden wrote: I don't know if this is true or not, but regardless, copyright assignment helps Linden enforce the GPL, which is good for everyone. That's why the FSF was also used as an example. -Ambroff Yes, a simple copyright assignment would be easier then a Contributor

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe Mecurial Repository

2010-03-19 Thread Dzonatas Sol
:54PM -0700, Dzonatas Sol wrote: � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �It would be the wrong impression, further, to assume the same committers will take on the extra load to help move to hg. -- Carlo Wood ca

Re: [opensource-dev] Proposal: Howto add a new feature to snowglobe.

2010-03-18 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Morgaine wrote: As an example, it is quite easy to imagine VWRAP providing transport for Collada mesh objects that work in Opensim long before they do in SL. Can we clarify this a little about the mesh. Is this the mesh in regards to the avatar or the mesh of objects in the environment itself.

[opensource-dev] Snowglobe Mecurial Repository

2010-03-18 Thread Dzonatas Sol
At the Open Source meet today, it appears we have a light at the end of the tunnel for the SVN repository, so we need volunteers, eventually, to help manage the hg repository. Here is the hg site for linden lab: http://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/ To help clarify the movement, the oss-viewer

Re: [opensource-dev] Client Plugin System Design

2010-03-17 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Ricky wrote: So far, barring any LL concepts, we have (as far as I know so far!) two designs of plugin system: 1: Socket-based plugins - as�suggested�by Morgaine. 2: D-Bus or similar existing IPC tool. 3: C++ Dynamically Shared Objects - my suggestion. 4. REST/HTTP The REST based system

Re: [opensource-dev] Client Plugin System Design

2010-03-17 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Argent Stonecutter wrote: On 2010-03-17, at 10:21, Dzonatas Sol wrote: Ricky wrote: So far, barring any LL concepts, we have (as far as I know so far!) two designs of plugin system: 1: Socket-based plugins - as�suggested�by Morgaine. 2: D-Bus or similar existing IPC tool. 3: C++ Dynamically

[opensource-dev] Client-side scripting REST/HTTP doc sample

2010-03-17 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Here is a sample of the REST/HTTP doc for SNOW-375. SNOW-375 adds a HTTP server in the viewer to be easily accessible by any process or client-side script in a language agnostic manner. I posted this here to hopefully encourage forward movement in client-side scripting and to avoid the

Re: [opensource-dev] Known details of LL 'Firefly' client-side scripting

2010-03-17 Thread Dzonatas Sol
You install a program on your computer, and you either trust it or you don't. It comes down to that, so it doesn't matter if it is .NET or Java or some binary made by company XYZZY. What some people want is to separate a way to run a sandbox version of their LSL code on the client-side, which

Re: [opensource-dev] Known details of LL 'Firefly' client-side scripting

2010-03-17 Thread Dzonatas Sol
to install a linux emulator and use that as the sandbox. All sandboxed programs can run directly on the linux emulator. Argent Stonecutter wrote: On 2010-03-17, at 12:31, Dzonatas Sol wrote: You install a program on your computer, and you either trust it or you don't. It comes down to that, so

Re: [opensource-dev] Known details of LL 'Firefly' client-side scripting

2010-03-17 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Morgaine wrote: Argent is exactly right. The point is already made on a different level. There was no need for Argent to dismiss a view of it and try to push me as if I misunderstood it. My viewpoint was from the use of and application of a sandbox model. My point being there is no need to

Re: [opensource-dev] Known details of LL 'Firefly' client-side scripting

2010-03-17 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Argent Stonecutter wrote: On 2010-03-17, at 16:06, Dzonatas Sol wrote: This is why I pointed to the sandbox model with the tried and proven virtualization means of linux emulation as an example. One can easily allow untrusted code to execute natively in the linux emulation. No you can't

Re: [opensource-dev] Client Plugin System Design

2010-03-17 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Rob Nelson wrote: As stated before, sockets add unnecessary bulk to any plugin architecture, ESPECIALLY HTTP. The SL viewer currently takes up 100% CPU even with scripting turned off; The last thing we need is more memory or processor load. Please, go ahead and benchmark how SNOW-375 has

Re: [opensource-dev] Known details of LL 'Firefly' client-side scripting

2010-03-17 Thread Dzonatas Sol
mailto:secret.arg...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010-03-17, at 16:55, Dzonatas Sol wrote: Somewhere along the line Argent, you trusted to install the SL binary and its badly behaved code can compromise you. The SL binary does not contain a mechanism to automatically download and execute

Re: [opensource-dev] Client-side scripting REST/HTTP doc sample

2010-03-17 Thread Dzonatas Sol
to compile, I'll try out OpenSource Obscure's build instructions as well. - Nexii On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Dzonatas Sol dzona...@gmail.com mailto:dzona...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. I've tried to keep it simple and minimal for everybody. For example

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV opensim physics prediction

2010-03-02 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Argent Stonecutter wrote: If someone is scheduled to appear in a sim a week from now, then it doesn�t matter if it takes 1 to 6 days to download, cache, and rez a prim locally on the 7th day of the scheduled meeting. Given the way SL works, and the way people use it, this is an extremely

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV opensim physics prediction

2010-02-28 Thread Dzonatas Sol
. By the time everybody meets, there would be no lag to suddenly download all objects from a single host. Times that by 10,000 people... just for scalability concerns. Argent Stonecutter wrote: On 2010-02-25, at 15:12, Dzonatas Sol wrote: [Usenet] worked. It is still free and open. It used

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Soft Linden wrote: Remember that we're creating the Viewer Directory to promote other viewer projects, so complying with the TPV terms offers up a pretty good carrot. However, I think legal also knows we'd be making trouble for ourselves if we gave even the whiff of an endorsement to a tool

[opensource-dev] TPV opensim

2010-02-25 Thread Dzonatas Sol
I thought this was quite of interest for viewer developers that might ever be interested to attach a simulator to their viewer in order to dispel latency. --- snip --- If one opensim box connects to another opensim box, that is, technically, peer to peer. So, are you saying an opensim box

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV opensim physics prediction

2010-02-25 Thread Dzonatas Sol
people want to do with it. So, are they saying they don't want physics prediction? Robert A. Knop Jr. wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:34:08AM -0800, Dzonatas Sol wrote: If everything is peer-2-peer where each client runs it's own simulator, there would be no need for a grid server. It's

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV opensim physics prediction

2010-02-25 Thread Dzonatas Sol
by a out-of-world IANA -- I don't think this was acknowledged. Some can simply think of an LSL script in-world that acted as the DNS program, if that helps clarify. Robert A. Knop Jr. wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:40:27PM -0800, Dzonatas Sol wrote: If there is no need for a grid server

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV opensim

2010-02-25 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Lawson English wrote: Dzonatas Sol wrote: Given this setup. It would look like this: [ viewer - opensim ] - [ opensim - viewer ] That's peer to peer. Another variation of peer to peer is: [ viewer ] = server = [ viewer

Re: [opensource-dev] DRM vs TOS Was: Third party viewer policy

2010-02-24 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Lawson English wrote: Dzonatas Sol wrote: Lawson English wrote: For a real life use case, the realxtend developers are currently debating whether or not it is worth their while to continue to add more support to SL rather than just go with OpenSim-only. If any viewer is under

Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy

2010-02-24 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Jason Giglio wrote: Legal is aware that there has been confusion on this. There will be an update soon, which makes the terms more clear. Is it an actual update to the policy document? Not a mere FAQ that says Oh we didn't really mean what the policy says in plain English? Don't

Re: [opensource-dev] Consensus? was: Client-side scripting in Snowglobe

2010-02-21 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Morgaine wrote: Carlo, I agree completely with you on the principle of the implementation. On the terminology, not only are you not being logical in your naming, but you also immediately contradict yourself and demonstrate beautifully how your suggested naming makes no sense at all, not