Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-07 Thread Henri Beauchamp
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:53:03 +0100, Thomas Shikami wrote: > Is there even a requirement zo have Z-offset be in the avatar > appearance message? The Z-offset is not transmitted to the server by the viewers implementing it: what is transmitted is the sum of the Z-offset (which can also be negative)

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-07 Thread Thomas Shikami
Is there even a requirement zo have Z-offset be in the avatar appearance message? To me it looks more like that hip-offset would be better suited to be in some animation parameter, which makes it incompatible with older viewers, but a SSB-enabled simulator might translate that animation paramet

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-03 Thread Satomi Ahn
Carlo Wood wrote: > The problem is not to find a good technical solution; the problem is > that no discussion with Linden Lab is possible. Well, the new shape parameter was an actual attempt at fixing SUN-38, even though it did address only the least of the concerns. So maybe I am still allowed t

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-03 Thread Henri Beauchamp
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:43:26 +0100, Satomi Ahn wrote: > Hello, > > Since I cannot comment on SUN issues, may I make a suggestion here? > > If adding new parameters to existing stuff belongs to allowed actions > to resolve this issue, then couldn't we consider adding new parameters > to poses/anim

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-03 Thread Satomi Ahn
Hello, Since I cannot comment on SUN issues, may I make a suggestion here? If adding new parameters to existing stuff belongs to allowed actions to resolve this issue, then couldn't we consider adding new parameters to poses/animations, so that they can exactly know how to adjust in order for the

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-01 Thread Marine Kelley
What Henri said. Avatar height offset is a variable that currently changes OFTEN, that's even the reason why it was added as a RLV command, so that it could be changed automatically without annoying the user too much. If this is now a shape slider, and viewer devs like me have to deal with accordi

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-01 Thread Stickman
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Nyx Linden wrote: > https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/sunshine-external/commits/108ae1ed56ea38426df239ef3247f57fb63d0806 > > Added a new parameter to shapes to replace the viewer-side height offset. > Since it is stored in a wearable, the new back end can read and use

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-01 Thread Henri Beauchamp
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:20:10 -0500, Nyx Linden wrote: > https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/sunshine-external/commits/108ae1ed56ea38426df239ef3247f57fb63d0806 > > Added a new parameter to shapes to replace the viewer-side height offset. > Since it is stored in a wearable, the new back end can read and

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-01 Thread Darien Caldwell
I see. This is a little different since it's a direct Avatar Shape Slider (unless I misunderstand), and isn't just a new type of Wearable, but I see the parallels. Thanks for the clarifications, they are much appreciated. - Dari On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Nyx Linden wrote:

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-01 Thread Nyx Linden
SSB does all appearance generation as a centralized service - meaning your avatar's visual parameters, height, and baked textures are served without needing the viewer to have downloaded and decoded the wearables. That's why I'm starting to refer to it as server side appearance, not server side

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-01 Thread Darien Caldwell
Well, This is an interesting development. I only understood SSB to be handling the baking of textures. But it's centralizing the avatar's shape too? Or why does a change in height need to be routed through the back-end? Adding a new slider to the Avatar appearance is kind of unprecedented. Will LL

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-03-01 Thread Nyx Linden
https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/sunshine-external/commits/108ae1ed56ea38426df239ef3247f57fb63d0806 Added a new parameter to shapes to replace the viewer-side height offset. Since it is stored in a wearable, the new back end can read and use the value. Will send an email to third party devs later t

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-02-24 Thread Ricky
I know this thread has gotten completely OT, but I feel I should respond to the feeling of dissatisfaction. I contribute to help me. I know that not everything I contribute will be accepted: see https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25739 for one I created that I suspect that LL will never swall

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-02-24 Thread Carlo Wood
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:09:19 +0100 Henri Beauchamp wrote: > > I'm unable to comment on SUN issues (or even make them) > > Gotta love the new closed JIRA !... Way to go, LL... I was about to type "fuck you Linden Lab" in my previous post, but assumed they might be assholes enough to then kick me

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-02-24 Thread Carlo Wood
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:36:12 -0800 Darien Caldwell wrote: > Yes, this was brought up to Nyx and Oz at Oz's last User Group > meeting, by inusaito.kanya They were supposed to file a bug under > Sunshine, but probably good to have someone else do it as well, in > case they didn't. I'm unable to c

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-02-24 Thread Niran
You meant the "closed and banning-for-trying-to-fix Jira" 2013/2/24 Henri Beauchamp > On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:36:12 -0800, Darien Caldwell wrote: > > > Yes, this was brought up to Nyx and Oz at Oz's last User Group meeting, > > by inusaito.kanya > > I alas can't participate in meetings held on v

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-02-24 Thread Henri Beauchamp
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:36:12 -0800, Darien Caldwell wrote: > Yes, this was brought up to Nyx and Oz at Oz's last User Group meeting, > by inusaito.kanya I alas can't participate in meetings held on voice... I regret the time when Soft Linden was in charge of OpenSource and did care about non-Eng

Re: [opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-02-24 Thread Darien Caldwell
Yes, this was brought up to Nyx and Oz at Oz's last User Group meeting, by inusaito.kanya They were supposed to file a bug under Sunshine, but probably good to have someone else do it as well, in case they didn't. I'm unable to comment on SUN issues (or even make them) but I gave it my vote regar

[opensource-dev] Serious regression in SSB-enabled regions

2013-02-24 Thread Henri Beauchamp
Greetings, I described a *serious*, *major* regression issue that I discovered yesterday while reviewing (again) the SSB code and confirmed today with tests on Aditi SunshineTest regions. Please see: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SUN-38 For me (and I would guess, for most advanced SL users