Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

2010-04-10 Thread Carlo Wood
In case you're using linux and mutt. I'm using mutt and have in my .mutt/muttrc the following line: auto_view text/html Then I have in ~/.mutt/mailcap the line: text/html; w3m -dump %s; copiousoutput; nametemplate=%s.html On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 06:43:51PM -0400,

[opensource-dev] OpenLSL QA Invite

2010-04-10 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Everyone, I'm a big fan of mailing lists and all of you whom I've spoken with have answered numerous questions of mine. So, I wanted to invite you all to a little experiment of mine. I've long dreamed of a portal just for LSL Scripters that people can go to and get their answer in a more

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

2010-04-10 Thread Aleric Inglewood
This doesn't cut it, as the whole problem is that open source developers should NOT have to take any legal liablity. The risk are entirely for the user. The goal that we seek is that the TPV policy makes clear that: 1) A developer can have his viewer blocked (and even his account deleted) if

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

2010-04-10 Thread Carlo Wood
If the beta grid (Aditi) does not demand one to accept the TOS before being able to login, then this is by far the best solution I've heard so far. Can someone confirm that logging into the beta grid does NOT ask one to agree with the new TOS? On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 11:50:24PM +0800, Boy Lane

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-10 Thread Aleric Inglewood
+100 Aleric Inglewood This seems to coincide with my remarks added to https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Robin_Cornelius/tvp_mods where I point out that the mixture of developer and user just doesn't work (if only because it requires a *different* definition of Third-Pary Viewer). However, my

Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 3, Issue 40

2010-04-10 Thread Carlo Wood
You know, this would actually make me feel better if you were a lawyer. Even more so, if you were a Linden Lab lawyer. But since (I assume) neither is the case, this is just your interpretation and I see it differently. On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 04:19:00AM +0200, Dirk Moerenhout wrote: If the

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

2010-04-10 Thread Boy Lane
Yes, the betagrid does not require to clickwrap the new ToS/TPV, for the simple reason it is a months old snapshot of SL. It would suit the purpose of having an open and constructive discussion just fine, without forcing anyone to accept TPV in the first place. You may also want to read what

Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 3, Issue 40

2010-04-10 Thread Tateru Nino
Curious. How many of us got professional legal advice? I did. I know a couple of you that did likewise. I'd be interested in knowing how many others. (There'd be no need to clutter things with negative answers - and it might be more appropriate to reply offlist - since the question is a

Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 3, Issue 40

2010-04-10 Thread Daniel
The very fact that reasonably intelligent people here on this list, which are part of the community the TPV is aimed at, cannot agree what it means, is cause to rewrite it for more clarity. Carlo Wood wrote: You know, this would actually make me feel better if you were a lawyer. Even more

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-10 Thread Gareth Nelson
Not that the Lab actually needs anything resembling the TPVP to successfully take legal action against someone making pernicious viewers available or creating them for their own use. I can use telnet to break into various TCP-based servers, does that make the authors of my telnet client liable

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-10 Thread Joel Foner
Sometimes it's useful to take a large parallel jump as a way of exploring an issue. This one just hit me as a direct parallel (riffing on Gareth's idea below): Is it possible to hold a web browser manufacturer responsible as a tool to breach security and steal credit card numbers, perform denial

Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 3, Issue 40

2010-04-10 Thread Joel Foner
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Daniel danielravenn...@gmail.com wrote: The very fact that reasonably intelligent people here on this list, which are part of the community the TPV is aimed at, cannot agree what it means, is cause to rewrite it for more clarity. Carlo Wood wrote: You

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-10 Thread Tateru Nino
On 11/04/2010 1:06 AM, Gareth Nelson wrote: Not that the Lab actually needs anything resembling the TPVP to successfully take legal action against someone making pernicious viewers available or creating them for their own use. I can use telnet to break into various TCP-based servers,

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV next Tuesday (4/13)

2010-04-10 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Hi Joe, In case I don't make the Brown Bag, I just wanted to point out the fact that simply developers, which includes how Linden Lab has invested resources to sustain such world, don't share a view with users that Virtual Reality that Virtual Reality is not just a game. This realization is

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV next Tuesday (4/13)

2010-04-10 Thread Marine Kelley
Thank you Joe I'd like to chime in and bring my own concerns since I won't make it to the meeting. My primary concern is about the Viewer Directory and here are my questions : - Will registering a TPV to the Viewer Directory become mandatory one day ? If so, how can we be absolutely certain that

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV next Tuesday (4/13)

2010-04-10 Thread Tigro Spottystripes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 a baby can still crawl over the TV remote and turn it on right when a horror movie is playing, that baby analogy didn't quite work On 10/4/2010 14:14, Dzonatas Sol wrote: Hi Joe, In case I don't make the Brown Bag, I just wanted to point out the

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV next Tuesday (4/13)

2010-04-10 Thread Dzonatas Sol
I'm not sure what you mean it didn't quite work. Anyways, I appreciate that Joe wants to gather this Brown-Bag, so we can talk specifics in words. Tigro Spottystripes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 a baby can still crawl over the TV remote and turn it on right when a

[opensource-dev] TPVP Discussion

2010-04-10 Thread aklo
i've been watching this TPVP discussion go round 'n round since it got started and just biting my tongue 'cause i don't have a dog in the race, as they say. That doesn't mean i haven't had an opinion i've wanted to share, though. So, if you don't mind, i'd like to make a respectful submission,

Re: [opensource-dev] TPVP Discussion

2010-04-10 Thread Dale Glass
В сообщении от Суббота 10 апреля 2010 23:53:51 автор a...@skyhighway.com написал: Despite some awfully emotional claims to the contrary, i don't think LL has any intention of hunting developers down and sucking the marrow from their bones! Really, there's little point unless somebody