Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2011 10:06pm
To: Jordan Rinke jor...@openstack.org
Cc: Chad Keck c...@chadkeck.com, Stephen Spector
stephen.spec...@openstack.org, openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Okay...so I at least have to ask. Where exactly does that leave
: Chad Keck c...@chadkeck.com
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 12:55pm
To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
What does it matter what the forum looks like? If you are implying that
forums are largely unpopular today because of StackOverflow you would
of every one recommended up and we can put the software to a vote
for the official forums.
-Original Message-
From: Chad Keck c...@chadkeck.com
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 3:59pm
To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
I was about to say ;)
My
: Everett Toews everett.to...@cybera.ca
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2011 10:06pm
To: Jordan Rinke jor...@openstack.org
Cc: Chad Keck c...@chadkeck.com, Stephen Spector
stephen.spec...@openstack.org, openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Okay...so I at least have to ask
Thanks Jeff.
It looks like it supports the basic functionality of a typical forum based
application and includes a very nice modern jQuerry based UI. The user
reputation system is configurable and is based on both posts and karma.
One of more interesting features is the ability to import
On May 4, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Chad Keck wrote:
How about this...
www.stackertalk.com
Since I'm not a developer I'd like to contribute in some form or another :)
There is a lot more refinement that needs to go into the site but I'm happy
to run this forum. If anyone would like to help
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote:
On May 5, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Jordan Rinke wrote:
I don't see why developers are weighing in so heavily on something
specifically for the user community? Many of you have specifically said you
wouldn't visit a forum so why
: Thursday, May 5, 2011 3:59pm
To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
I was about to say ;)
My unofficial forums aren't THAT ugly!
-- Chad
On May 5, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Anne Gentle wrote:
Oh and I use ugly in quotation marks to indicate that's completely
subjective
The best, which is relative, and one of the most widely used forum apps is
vbulletin http://www.vbulletin.com/. It's commercial, but inexpensive
($195.00 US). Their new CMS product ($295 US) also looks interesting. In
addition to all of the standard vbulletin forum functionality we could
vBulletin has a lot of add-ons and is a tried and true, albeit somewhat
crufty solution. I've sysadmined a 2 million page view/month vB 3 install
for more than a decade now. It's sturdy, but is showing it's age. One new
alternative to vBulletin is xenForo:
http://xenforo.com/
It's developed
Cc: Jordan Rinke jor...@openstack.org, openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Regarding your StackExchange questions Anne.
For an Open Source StackExchange-like site OSQA (http://www.osqa.net/) could
be used.
For StackExchange itself it's free as in beer
A few people have mentioned the stack exchange style idea. I think this is a
fantastic idea; StackOverflow, etc. has been extremely useful to me. Since it
is free to host a subdomain on StackExchange if there is enough support, we
might as well get the ball rolling in addition. This could
On May 4, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Everett Toews wrote:
Below is a list of people from this thread who are in favor (or at least
interested in trying) the StackExchange style.
Add me to that list.
-- Ed Leafe
Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or
Add me as well
--J
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote:
On May 4, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Everett Toews wrote:
Below is a list of people from this thread who are in favor (or at least
interested in trying) the StackExchange style.
Add me to that list.
How about this...
www.stackertalk.com
Since I'm not a developer I'd like to contribute in some form or another :)
There is a lot more refinement that needs to go into the site but I'm happy to
run this forum. If anyone would like to help moderate/administer please let me
know.
I like the
On 05/03/2011 10:29 AM, Jordan Rinke wrote:
To make this a bit more democratic I have created a survey. Simply vote for
your answer and whichever has the most votes wins. (If we had a forum
already, the poll/vote could have happened there)
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z9VPLSJ
(It is
2011/5/3 Ron Pedde ron.pe...@rackspace.com:
On 5/2/11 6:10 PM, Soren Hansen so...@linux2go.dk wrote:
I just know from
experience that try as I might, I'm not likely to maintain any sort of
motivation to participate in forums for any useful amount of time.
And I think that would be the objective
2011/5/3 Everett Toews everett.to...@cybera.ca:
What I think the essential features for any user support forum are:
1. ability to up vote so the best answers bubble to the top.
2. for the original poster to be able pick the answer they used.
In addition to forums, Ubuntu also has a
, May 03, 2011 4:24 AM
To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Jordan Rinke wrote:
I had a number of discussions with various people at the summit about
creating a forum for openstack (forum.openstack.org) and everyone seemed to
think it was a good idea
, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Jordan Rinke wrote:
I had a number of discussions with various people at the summit about
creating a forum for openstack (forum.openstack.org) and everyone seemed to
think it was a good idea especially for user support and discussions for
people who are not likely to use
-
From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:59 AM
To: Jordan Rinke
Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Jordan Rinke wrote:
Can anyone name a large successful project that either doesn't have an
official forum
a few comments about a forum:
+ While I agree with Thierry that most end user apps have forums, some
SA/Dev oriented software also have forums.
+ I think there is a need for a place where people can ask simple
questions they would not feel comfortable asking on the ML.
- Forums are very
Jordan Rinke wrote:
I think a purely QnA site misses the mark a little, that style is great for
a very specific question (And the OSQnA stuff Everett linked looks great)
but I think a lot of users are lacking the knowledge to ask a very specific
question just yet. So maybe it is that we need a
Yes on the
survey (unless someone else used her name since there is no real auth).
-Original Message-
From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Jordan Rinke
Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Jordan
]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Jordan Rinke
Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Jordan Rinke wrote:
I think a purely QnA site misses the mark a little, that style is
great for a very specific question (And the OSQnA stuff Everett linked
Yes on the
survey (unless someone else used her name since there is no real auth).
-Original Message-
From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Jordan Rinke
Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Jordan
] Creating a forum
Jordan Rinke wrote:
I think a purely QnA site misses the mark a little, that style is
great for a very specific question (And the OSQnA stuff Everett linked
looks great) but I think a lot of users are lacking the knowledge to
ask a very specific question just yet. So maybe
Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Jordan Rinke
Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Jordan Rinke wrote:
I think a purely QnA site misses the mark a little, that style is
great for a very specific question
] Creating a forum
Jordan Rinke wrote:
I think a purely QnA site misses the mark a little, that style is
great for a very specific question (And the OSQnA stuff Everett linked
looks great) but I think a lot of users are lacking the knowledge to
ask a very specific question just yet. So
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:24, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote:
A forum is almost always the wrong solution when we talk about a
developer/technical subject. In my experience it always ended up
fragmenting the community between developers (who don't read the forums)
and users (who
Gentle a...@openstack.org
Cc: Jordan Rinke jor...@openstack.org, openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Regarding your StackExchange questions Anne.
For an Open Source StackExchange-like site OSQA (http://www.osqa.net/) could
be used.
For StackExchange itself it's
On 05/03/2011 02:49 PM, Jordan Rinke wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen... welcome to the official OpenStack Forums!
http://forums.openstack.org
Work in progress so feel free to join and post up any comments about the
forum etc.
phpBB is a poor choice of forum software, IMO.
--
Michael
This is awesome!!! Now we can spend 3 weeks debating about forum
software. I like vbulletin.
On 5/3/11 3:32 PM, Michael Shuler mshu...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/03/2011 02:49 PM, Jordan Rinke wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen... welcome to the official OpenStack Forums!
http://forums.openstack.org
: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Regarding your StackExchange questions Anne.
For an Open Source StackExchange-like site OSQA (http://www.osqa.net/)
could
be used.
For StackExchange itself it's free as in beer (
http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq).
How much does Stack Exchange cost?
Creating
Do I have this right? We were just debating this topic this morning and I just
see a blog post by Stephen Spector announcing forums?
Incroyable!
Bernard Golden
bernard.gol...@gmail.com
On May 3, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Daniel Salinas wrote:
This is awesome!!! Now we can spend 3 weeks debating
Toews everett.to...@cybera.ca
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:22pm
To: Anne Gentle a...@openstack.org
Cc: Jordan Rinke jor...@openstack.org, openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
Regarding your StackExchange questions Anne.
For an Open Source StackExchange-like
Toews
everett.to...@cybera.ca, openstack@lists.launchpad.net
openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
I just brought that up in the release meeting. It is on the agenda for the PPB
to discuss on Thursday.
Vish
On May 3, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Paul Voccio wrote
On 05/04/2011 05:42 AM, Daniel Salinas wrote:
This is awesome!!! Now we can spend 3 weeks debating about forum
software. I like vbulletin.
On 5/3/11 3:32 PM, Michael Shuler mshu...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/03/2011 02:49 PM, Jordan Rinke wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen... welcome to the
And I think that is exactly the things one should bring to the table when
discussing the pros/cons of a piece of software. I don't have a preference
myself. I don't really know of any webapp beyond security problems. What
is more important to me is who will maintain it and how quickly that app's
- Original message -
Is there another free OSS option out there for a forum? All the others I
know of require money for commercial use etc.
About 2 dozen of very valuable projects yes.
PunBB, SMF and Fudforum pops to my mind, smf being
the most famous, Fudforum being the most
I had a number of discussions with various people at the summit about creating
a forum for openstack (forum.openstack.org) and everyone seemed to think it was
a good idea especially for user support and discussions for people who are not
likely to use a mailing list. So I have 2 questions...
1
I wish the list archives had a better search function.
On 5/2/11 3:12 PM, Jordan Rinke jor...@openstack.org wrote:
I had a number of discussions with various people at the summit about
creating a forum for openstack (forum.openstack.org) and everyone seemed
to think it was a good idea
, at 3:12 PM, Jordan Rinke wrote:
I had a number of discussions with various people at the summit about
creating a forum for openstack (forum.openstack.org) and everyone seemed to
think it was a good idea especially for user support and discussions for
people who are not likely to use
.
Everett
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Jordan Rinke jor...@openstack.org wrote:
I had a number of discussions with various people at the summit about
creating a forum for openstack (forum.openstack.org) and everyone seemed
to think it was a good idea especially for user support
: The
Open Source QA System http://www.osqa.net/. It's written in python.
Could be a good fit.
Everett
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Jordan Rinke jor...@openstack.org wrote:
I had a number of discussions with various people at the summit about
creating a forum for openstack
On 5/2/11 4:03 PM, Matt Dietz matt.di...@rackspace.com wrote:
I think a forum as a means of communication is great. However, I'm not
sure I feel it's the right fit here. My main concern in this regard is
that there would be a separation of important discussions.
I think the class of questions
Fair points. I can see it being used for user support.
Another way to have these sorts of discussions would be an openstack-users
list, but I think lists present much more friction to tire-kickers or
intrigued admins. Forums have a much lower barrier to entry, and
consequently (IMHO) they are
If we create a forum for these types of questions, I suggest we turn off
Questions in Launchpad and direct people to the forum instead. It is already
hard for some people to get a response there and it will only get worse if we
have to answer questions in two places.
Vish
On May 2, 2011, at
On 5/2/11 5:10 PM, Matt Dietz matt.di...@rackspace.com wrote:
Fair points. I can see it being used for user support.
Another way to have these sorts of discussions would be an
openstack-users
list, but I think lists present much more friction to tire-kickers or
intrigued admins. Forums have a
I agree with this posting. One thing to keep in mind is that OpenStack will
have many more users (in other words, people who are not developing the
software, but rather are implementing it or even using someone's implementation
as a basis for end user applications) interested in OpenStack in
It's certainly a matter of personal preference, but I absolutely hate forums.
I hate that I cannot interact with them using clients that I choose.
No, the fact that I can choose between different web browsers doesn't
count. E-mail and usenet, for instance, are excellent means for
communication. I
a handful of forums and participates on maybe 100+ it is the
best I've seen/used.
-- Chad
On May 2, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Jordan Rinke wrote:
I had a number of discussions with various people at the summit about
creating a forum for openstack (forum.openstack.org) and everyone seemed
to think
On Mon, 2 May 2011 22:41:32 +
Ron Pedde ron.pe...@rackspace.com wrote:
My experience is that I will peruse mailing list archives, but I will
rarely *post* to mailing lists. Something about the formality of it or
the pain of subscribing and unsubscribing (or something!) makes me much
more
On 5/2/11 6:10 PM, Soren Hansen so...@linux2go.dk wrote:
I just know from
experience that try as I might, I'm not likely to maintain any sort of
motivation to participate in forums for any useful amount of time.
And I think that would be the objective of the forums. It doesn't make
sense for
@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of
Soren Hansen
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 4:10 PM
To: Jordan Rinke
Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Creating a forum
It's certainly a matter of personal preference, but I absolutely hate forums.
I hate that I cannot interact with them using clients
On 05/03/2011 04:12 AM, Jordan Rinke wrote:
I had a number of discussions with various people at the summit about
creating a forum for openstack (forum.openstack.org) and everyone
seemed to think it was a good idea especially for user support and
discussions for people who are not likely
On 05/03/2011 07:10 AM, Soren Hansen wrote:
I totally understand that I'm reasonably alone in this (the endless
amount of forums with even more endless amounts of users all over the
Internet clearly demonstrates that I'm at least a minority), so don't
let me hold you guys back if you all love
:12 AM, Jordan Rinke wrote:
I had a number of discussions with various people at the summit about
creating a forum for openstack (forum.openstack.org) and everyone
seemed to think it was a good idea especially for user support and
discussions for people who are not likely to use a mailing list
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