On 10/26/2013 05:25 AM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2013-10-24 18:48:16 -0700:
On 24/10/13 11:54 +0200, Patrick Petit wrote:
Hi Clint,
Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line.
Cheers,
Patrick
On 10/23/13 8:36 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
I think this fits
In-line comments.
On 10/28/13 5:43 PM, Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com wrote:
On 10/26/2013 05:25 AM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2013-10-24 18:48:16 -0700:
On 24/10/13 11:54 +0200, Patrick Petit wrote:
Hi Clint,
Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line.
Excerpts from Steve Baker's message of 2013-10-28 15:43:02 -0700:
On 10/26/2013 05:25 AM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2013-10-24 18:48:16 -0700:
On 24/10/13 11:54 +0200, Patrick Petit wrote:
Hi Clint,
Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line.
On 28/10/13 16:26 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote:
[snip]
My components proposals had no hosted_on, but I've been thinking about
the implications of implementing software configuration as resources,
and one of the natural consequences might be that hosted_on is the best
way of establishing the
...@rackspace.com wrote on 25.10.2013 02:23:55:
From: Keith Bray keith.b...@rackspace.com
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 25.10.2013 02:31
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
Hi Thomas, here's my opinion: Heat and Solum
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2013-10-24 18:48:16 -0700:
On 24/10/13 11:54 +0200, Patrick Petit wrote:
Hi Clint,
Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line.
Cheers,
Patrick
On 10/23/13 8:36 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
I think this fits into something that I want for optimizing
On 25/10/13 09:25 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2013-10-24 18:48:16 -0700:
On 24/10/13 11:54 +0200, Patrick Petit wrote:
Hi Clint,
Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line.
Cheers
Patrick
On 10/23/13 8:36 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
I think this fits into
Hi Clint,
Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line.
Cheers,
Patrick
On 10/23/13 8:36 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Patrick Petit's message of 2013-10-23 10:58:22 -0700:
Dear Steve and All,
If I may add up on this already busy thread to share our experience with
using Heat in
Sorry, I clicked the 'send' button too quickly.
On 10/24/13 11:54 AM, Patrick Petit wrote:
Hi Clint,
Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line.
Cheers,
Patrick
On 10/23/13 8:36 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Patrick Petit's message of 2013-10-23 10:58:22 -0700:
Dear Steve and All,
Petit patrick.pe...@bull.net
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 24.10.2013 12:18
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
Sorry, I clicked the 'send' button too quickly.
On 10/24/13 11:54 AM, Patrick Petit wrote:
Hi
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 24.10.2013 12:18
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
Sorry, I clicked the 'send' button too quickly.
On 10/24/13 11:54 AM, Patrick Petit wrote:
Hi Clint,
Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line.
Cheers
On 24/10/13 11:54 +0200, Patrick Petit wrote:
Hi Clint,
Thank you! I have few replies/questions in-line.
Cheers,
Patrick
On 10/23/13 8:36 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Patrick Petit's message of 2013-10-23 10:58:22 -0700:
Dear Steve and All,
If I may add up on this already busy thread
Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 23.10.2013 00:28:17:
From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com
To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 23.10.2013 00:30
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
Excerpts from Georgy Okrokvertskhov's message
Dear Steve and All,
If I may add up on this already busy thread to share our experience with
using Heat in large and complex software deployments.
I work on a project which precisely provides additional value at the
articulation point between resource orchestration automation and
Excerpts from Patrick Petit's message of 2013-10-23 10:58:22 -0700:
Dear Steve and All,
If I may add up on this already busy thread to share our experience with
using Heat in large and complex software deployments.
Thanks for sharing Patrick, I have a few replies in-line.
I work on a
Hi Patric,
Thank you for such great post! This is very close to the vision I've tried
to propose earlier on software orchestration thread and I'm glad other
people concern about the same issues. However the problem the problem with
PaaS-like approached it that they currently on a little bit
Hi,
Looking through the thread I mentioned couple definitions of software
orchestration. I would like to summarize definitions before we go to deep
technical discussion about actual implementation.
There are two major areas and approaches covered by software orchestration:
*Software component
Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com wrote on 21.10.2013 23:02:47:
From: Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 21.10.2013 23:06
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
On 10/22/2013 08:45 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
Steve Baker
On 22/10/13 09:15, Thomas Spatzier wrote:
BTW, the convention of properties being input and attributes being output,
i.e. that subtle distinction between properties and attributes is not
really intuitive, at least not to me as non-native speaker, because I used
to use both words as synonyms.
Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 10/22/2013 09:24:28 AM:
On 22/10/13 09:15, Thomas Spatzier wrote:
BTW, the convention of properties being input and attributes being
output,
i.e. that subtle distinction between properties and attributes is not
really intuitive, at least not to me
Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 22.10.2013 15:24:28:
From: Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 22.10.2013 15:27
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
On 22/10/13 09:15, Thomas Spatzier wrote:
BTW
On 22/10/13 16:35, Thomas Spatzier wrote:
Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 22.10.2013 15:24:28:
From: Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 22.10.2013 15:27
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
On 22/10/13 09:15
Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 22.10.2013 17:23:52:
From: Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 22.10.2013 17:26
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
On 22/10/13 16:35, Thomas Spatzier wrote:
Zane Bitter zbit
] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
On 22/10/13 16:35, Thomas Spatzier wrote:
Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 22.10.2013 15:24:28:
From: Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 22.10.2013 15:27
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT
: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
On 22/10/13 16:35, Thomas Spatzier wrote:
Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 22.10.2013 15:24:28:
From: Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 22.10.2013 15:27
Subject: Re
Stan Lagun sla...@mirantis.com wrote on 22.10.2013 19:02:38:
From: Stan Lagun sla...@mirantis.com
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 22.10.2013 19:06
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
Hello,
I've been
on 22.10.2013
20:01:19:
From: Georgy Okrokvertskhov gokrokvertsk...@mirantis.com
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 22.10.2013 20:05
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
Hi,
I would agree with Stan that we
Excerpts from Georgy Okrokvertskhov's message of 2013-10-22 13:32:40 -0700:
Hi Thomas,
I agree with you on semantics part. At the same time I see a potential
question which might appear - if semantics is limited by few states visible
for Heat engine, then who actually does software
Sounds like taskflow could be that program (+1 from me, ha)?
Mistral to me is a nice authenticated REST api + other goodies ontop of
something that reliably executes workflows.
But then what I described is also the majority of what openstack does
(authenticated REST api + other goodies ontop of
Hi Clint,
Thank you for the detailed analysis.
I'm not sure I know what software orchestration is, but I will take a
stab at a succinct definition:
Coordination of software configuration across multiple hosts.
Having this definition of software orchestration what will Heat
software
Hi Joshua,
Sounds like taskflow could be that program (+1 from me, ha)?
Mistral to me is a nice authenticated REST api + other goodies ontop of
something that reliably executes workflows.
I would say that Mistral is a way to do this. My arguments are the
following:
1. Mistral decouples code.
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
Hi Joshua,
Sounds like taskflow could be that program (+1 from me, ha)?
Mistral to me is a nice authenticated REST api + other goodies ontop of
something that reliably executes workflows.
I would say that Mistral is a way to do
@lists.openstack.org
Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:53 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
Hi Joshua,
Sounds like taskflow could be that program (+1 from me, ha)?
Mistral to me
Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com wrote on 10/15/2013 06:48:53 PM:
I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software
configuration needs, and I'd like to use this thread to get some
feedback:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/hot-software-config
On 21/10/13 15:45 -0400, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com wrote on 10/15/2013 06:48:53 PM:
I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software
configuration needs, and I'd like to use this thread to get some
feedback:
On 10/22/2013 08:45 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com wrote on 10/15/2013 06:48:53 PM:
I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software
configuration needs, and I'd like to use this thread to get some
feedback:
(I really do not understand how the archive is ordered. In the by-thread
view, in which all messages with this subject are equally indented, the
last message listed is not the chronologically last.)
I see that components have parameters. In some uses (invocations) of
components, parameters
On 16/10/13 21:02, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-10-16 06:16:33 -0700:
I'd love to be able to put this control in the user's hands by just
using provider templates - i.e. you designate PuppetServer.yaml as the
provider for an OS::Nova::Server in your template
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 09:21:12PM -0400, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com wrote on 10/15/2013 06:48:53 PM:
From: Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 10/15/2013 06:51 PM
Subject: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration
On 16/10/13 06:56, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
What is the difference between what today's heat engine does and a
workflow? I am interested to hear what you experts think, I hope it
will be clarifying. I presume the answers will touch on things like
error handling, state tracking, and updates.
On 16/10/13 00:48, Steve Baker wrote:
I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software
configuration needs, and I'd like to use this thread to get some feedback:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/hot-software-config
Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote on 10/16/2013 04:11:40 AM:
...
IMO we should be abstracting the software configuration complexity
behind a
Heat resource interface, not pushing it up to a pre-processor (which
implies some horribly complex interfaces at the heat template level)
I am not
of the underlying implementation changes will
increase.
Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com wrote on 16.10.2013 00:48:53:
From: Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 16.10.2013 00:51
Subject: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
I've just written
On 16/10/13 15:58, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 10/16/2013 08:25:38 AM:
To answer your question, the key thing that Heat does is take in two
declarative models and generate a workflow to transform one into the
other. (The general case of this is a stack
Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 10/16/2013 10:30:44 AM:
On 16/10/13 15:58, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
...
Thanks for a great short sharp answer. In that light, I see a
concern.
Once a workflow has been generated, the system has lost the ability
to
adapt to changes in either model.
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-10-16 06:16:33 -0700:
On 16/10/13 00:48, Steve Baker wrote:
I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software
configuration needs, and I'd like to use this thread to get some feedback:
Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 10/16/2013 03:02:13 PM:
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-10-16 06:16:33 -0700:
For me the crucial question is, how do we define the interface for
synchronising and passing data from and to arbitrary applications
running under an
On 10/17/2013 02:16 AM, Zane Bitter wrote:
On 16/10/13 00:48, Steve Baker wrote:
I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software
configuration needs, and I'd like to use this thread to get some
feedback:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/hot-software-config
: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software
configuration needs, and I'd like to use this thread to get some
feedback:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/hot-software-config
https://wiki.openstack.org
I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT software
configuration needs, and I'd like to use this thread to get some feedback:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/hot-software-config
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/native-tools-bootstrap-config
Please read
Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com wrote on 10/15/2013 06:48:53 PM:
From: Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 10/15/2013 06:51 PM
Subject: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
I've just written some proposals to address Heat's HOT
On 10/16/2013 02:21 PM, Mike Spreitzer wrote:
Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com wrote on 10/15/2013 06:48:53 PM:
From: Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org,
Date: 10/15/2013 06:51 PM
Subject: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software configuration proposal
I've
The threading in the archive includes this discussion under the HOT
Software orchestration proposal for workflows heading, and the overall
ordering in the archive looks very mixed up to me. I am going to reply
here, hoping that the new subject line will be subject to less strange
ordering in
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